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Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#45626: Jun 23rd 2025 at 2:23:06 PM

nevermind

Edited by Lyendith on Jun 23rd 2025 at 5:59:06 AM

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#45627: Jun 23rd 2025 at 2:32:39 PM
Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#45628: Jun 23rd 2025 at 2:36:21 PM

Re: The names of the pirates in Fox's Peter Pan and the Pirates and Disney's Peter Pan.

In Disney's film, only two pirates are ever referred to by name—Smee and Starkey ('You want a splash, Mr.Starkey?" says Hook, before pitching Starkey overboard). Starkey just looks like a random pirate, and doesn't particularly fit what you'd imagine for Gentleman Starkey from the novel.

In Peter Pan and the Pirates the pirates are Smee, Gentleman Starkey, Robert Mullins, Cooksen, Alf Mason, and Billy Jukes. There are a few more named pirates in the book (Cecco for instance), but I think the number of pirates in this show equals the number of Lost Boys, so they left a few pirates out.

Mister-Toon97 Since: Mar, 2025
#45629: Jun 23rd 2025 at 2:47:52 PM

I don't know.

K-Pop Demon Hunters looks and sounds, says the person displaying his artistic judgement, hoaky. Besides, that's is unfair comparison. Steaming services like Netflix and Hulu get their revenues through subscriptions (that are estimated at about 20-30 dollars a month at best). Meanwhile, movie theaters pay by the person. The more people go, the more they get.

I suspect that Elio underperformed is combinations of last minute advertising and fact that is was crowded with more interesting movies (the final chapter to Mission Impossible, A new installment to John Wick, Lilo and Stitch, and How To Train Your Dragon).

Another victim of circumstance.

Edited by Mister-Toon97 on Jun 23rd 2025 at 8:13:38 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#45630: Jun 23rd 2025 at 2:50:02 PM

[up][up]The play has even more named pirates like Black Murphy, who was apparently Cookson's brother, and Whibbles, who wore an eyepatch. Smee was also referred to as Nonconformist, not Irish. Starkey was also one of the pirates who died in the play; Hook 'shook hands' with him for mutiny.

Also, during the battle on Marooner's Rock Hook did not wound Peter to the point of being unable to fly, but Peter thought he did and it was as good as if he did. Early-Installment Weirdness is fun.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jun 23rd 2025 at 5:52:42 AM

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#45631: Jun 23rd 2025 at 4:41:43 PM

I kinda don't want the idea of "people need to get used to new Pixar", it sounds like boiling a frog kind of argument.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#45632: Jun 23rd 2025 at 5:15:32 PM

What differentiates 'new Pixar' from 'old Pixar' anyway?

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#45633: Jun 23rd 2025 at 5:38:57 PM

We all can agree we should at least give Pixar another chance to wow us with a new movie? If their movies are good we go and give it a chance?

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#45634: Jun 23rd 2025 at 5:55:03 PM

What differentiates 'new Pixar' from 'old Pixar' anyway?

Old Pixar is whatever movies Pixar made when you were a kid, and new Pixar is whatever movie they made when you're an adult.

I joke, but I'm honestly not that far off in terms of most people would describe it.

If I had to be generous, I tend to lump their run from the first Toy Story to Toy Story 3 as their classic period, since that string of films was when their reputation was at it's highest and nearly every film of theirs was a massive success. Then afterwards you kind of hit sort of slump with Cars 2, and I'd say their reputation has been a bit up and down since.

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#45635: Jun 23rd 2025 at 6:00:34 PM

Coco was awesome and a massive success.

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Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#45636: Jun 23rd 2025 at 6:04:36 PM

The formula hasn’t really changed, it’s just that its execution has become more hit-and-miss with time. And obviously more predictable. They went from "consistent A’s" to "mostly A’s with a few B’s or C’s" to "some A’s with a lot of B’s". Now of course, not everyone will agree on what movie’s an A or a B… tongue I find Turning Red to be one of Pixar’s best movies in the past 10 years, but I’m apparently in the minority.

Edited by Lyendith on Jun 23rd 2025 at 6:10:17 AM

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#45637: Jun 23rd 2025 at 6:56:47 PM

There are so many reasons a movie can succeed or fail, and a lot of them are honestly beyond the control of the people making the movie.

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#45638: Jun 23rd 2025 at 8:12:33 PM

Now that I have more time, here's something I meant to have posted earlier.

I found two very lovely works of art that I think our fellow Disney Princess fan lalalei will like. :) This one and this one.

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#45639: Jun 24th 2025 at 2:58:15 AM

I've seen a lot of people blame Elio's lack of success on its art style.

As for old Pixar vs. new Pixar, I agree that a lot of it is likely the Nostalgia Filter talking. That, and the fact that Pixar's output used to be exceptional compared to its competitors, but now it's just one of several animation studios.

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#45640: Jun 24th 2025 at 3:07:01 AM

I don't even know if they had serious competitors in the cgi animation field when they first started making movies.

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#45641: Jun 24th 2025 at 3:24:35 AM

They didn't; Toy Story 1 (1995) is the first entirely computer-animated feature film. DreamWorks Animation released Antz in 1998, and even then it took several more years for them to start releasing computer-animated films regularly.

One legitimate difference I've noticed between old Pixar and new Pixar is that old Pixar had more nonhuman protagonists. But I don't know if that would actually have helped new Pixar at the box office. I can imagine a scenario where Finding Nemo was released in 2025 and underperformed, with people blaming it on "no one wanting to see a movie about a talking fish".

Edited by MathsAngelicVersion on Jun 24th 2025 at 12:25:27 PM

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#45642: Jun 24th 2025 at 3:26:55 AM

The Cars movies weren't very successful either. Coco was successful and it starred human characters (albeit some of them were spirits). I think Up was successful too and it starred human characters.

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#45643: Jun 24th 2025 at 3:34:53 AM

Cars is a weird case because the films themselves don't make that much money, but The Merch is very lucrative.

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#45644: Jun 24th 2025 at 4:22:20 AM

[up][up][up][up][up]That artwork is very nice.

On the subject of Pixar, I kind of find the discourse lately a bit frustrating, because it kind of feels like Pixar can't win? If they make a sequel, that's usually disparaged and considered unoriginal and if they make an original story, everyone just says it's not as good as 'old pixar'. Like I just don't get what people want. Personally, I feel like thier sequels era (from cars 2 until Toy story 4) was pretty weak with a few good movies here and there, but most of their original movies this decade have actually been pretty good but I feel like people haven't given them their fair due.

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#45645: Jun 24th 2025 at 4:52:21 AM

Always loved this scene from Tangled. I remember laughing my ass off as a kid to it in the theater when I first saw it.

(Sorry about the sing-along lyrics — it was the only official upload I could find.)

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#45646: Jun 24th 2025 at 5:29:21 AM

I am not fond of the "watch original" argument, since original content doesn't automatically good either. Not that sequels are automatically good either.

The problem is that people like to "categorize" stuff when trying to argue what doesn't work. I feel like it should be observed individually. Elio didn't appeal to me, for instance, because the alien designs look so... saccharine. In both metaphorical and literal sense. And the simplistic design of the protag has that air of "it's for the age range younger than me". I keep bringing up Strange World because the creatures there remind me of the aliens here - something about too much curves/roundedness, as though they're meant to look safe.

Edited by Ookamikun on Jun 24th 2025 at 5:31:44 AM

Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#45647: Jun 24th 2025 at 6:12:43 AM

Regarding "old Pixar" and "new Pixar" - there is a set of movies that was pitched all the way back in the early 1990s to the Disney executives, the last of which was The Good Dinosaur. So after that it was either sequels to these movies, or brand new ideas by new directors. The firing of John Lasseter in 2018 was probably the final step in the transition.

fragglelover Since: Jun, 2012
#45648: Jun 24th 2025 at 6:30:33 AM

Marketing for Elio seems to be dependent on who you are and where. I've seen some people say they never heard of it, while others saw plenty of ads

Of course, some of those aren't interested (the art style, not liking that his aunt is in the military, a belief that the original advertised version was more interesting, etc)

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#45649: Jun 24th 2025 at 9:13:46 AM

I think one of the biggest issues is that social media has become filled with bad-faith media criticism from grifters, since apparently negativity gets more "engagement". And the executives are Disney are spineless cowards that feel the need to placate those sorts of people.

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#45650: Jun 24th 2025 at 9:15:55 AM

> There are so many reasons a movie can succeed or fail, and a lot of them are honestly beyond the control of the people making the movie.

clearly (sarcasm mode) they clearly didn't read the stars probably or consult more focus groups

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