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TParadox Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: The captain of her heart
#1: Apr 22nd 2013 at 10:41:55 PM

Yes, The Incredibles was an excellent movie. But it's not just a superhero movie. You can't throw a new villain at them and say it's a good sequel.

This thread is for discussing how to make an effective sequel to The Incredibles with an effective plot both on a superhero level and on a family level.

The main idea I can think of off the cuff is to throw the family off-balance by Violet getting married. But I worry that might put too much focus on her.

Maybe one of Helen's exes rises up a supervillain, creating some friction as Bob gets jealous of her old flame and she's tempted by the other side?

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0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
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#2: Apr 22nd 2013 at 10:43:44 PM

I'd rather no sequel. It stands perfectly on its own.

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DAStudent Since: Dec, 2012
#3: Apr 22nd 2013 at 10:47:21 PM

No, Odd. This isn't your thread. Get out.

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TParadox Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: The captain of her heart
#4: Apr 22nd 2013 at 10:48:28 PM

That is a valid viewpoint. But there are a lot of people who want one, and I'm asking how it could be done. I don't find either of my suggestions very satisfactory, and I'm wondering if other people have better ideas.

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DAStudent Since: Dec, 2012
#5: Apr 22nd 2013 at 10:51:54 PM

It turns out some villainous force was conspiring to get Supers rejected by society. Now that the Incredibles, as of the end of the first movie, are starting to reverse that, that force is mad.

The villain recruits Tony. Bam. Most of the plot's conflict can come just out of that.

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TParadox Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: The captain of her heart
#6: Apr 22nd 2013 at 10:58:36 PM

I've felt Tony was more a symbol than a character. Once Violet has a social circle, Tony as a character can drop out of the picture.

On the other hand, broadly expanding his character well could make me reconsider.

edited 22nd Apr '13 10:59:20 PM by TParadox

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0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
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#7: Apr 22nd 2013 at 11:04:05 PM

No, Odd. This isn't your thread. Get out.
I feel so welcome to discuss things in a friendly, open environment.

Why do you think it'd be such a good idea?

Also, it's spelled with a zero, not an O.

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#8: Apr 22nd 2013 at 11:05:20 PM

Tony comes across very muggle-ish. After all, Violet only got up the courage to talk to him after she realized that her superpowers weren't something to be ashamed of. I can see a normal teen relationship problem affecting Violet and her superhero career, but I can't imagine Tony getting involved with superhero or villain business in any capacity beyond his relationship with Violet. Unless he ends up the damsel in distress, perhaps.

edited 22nd Apr '13 11:06:24 PM by MetaFour

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#9: Apr 22nd 2013 at 11:06:31 PM

The best bet for an Incredibles sequel would probably be to have it take place several years later, so as to let the audience see how both the characters and the setting have developed after the new beginning at the end of the last movie.

Starting from immediately after the first movie would kind of limit character development, since we would just be showing what the first film already told us was going to happen anyway, and plus, having had the setting grow - it gives more for the films conflict to threaten and possibly tear down.

Also, more with Mirage. She always felt like a character who could have told an interesting story, but who didn't because the movie wasn't really about her.

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#10: Apr 22nd 2013 at 11:26:17 PM

In the first movie, everything about Syndrome was essentially a philosophical attack on the idea of heroism, but he wreaked havoc on the Parr family's relationships as a side effect. (Bob started lying to Helen, and she thought he was having an affair—and the movie is vague enough that it's entirely possible Bob actually was. Of course there's also Syndrome's attempts to stuff Helen and the kids in the fridge, and his later attempt to kidnap Jack-Jack.)

Perhaps for the sequel, we could have a villain who's the inverse of Syndrome, and their evil plan is to deliberately sow discord between the Parrs. But it might be hard to pull this off without undermining or trivializing the Parr's growth in the first movie.

Also, more with Mirage. She always felt like a character who could have told an interesting story, but who didn't because the movie wasn't really about her.
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Since the first movie didn't say anything about her ultimate fate, there's way more than enough wiggle room to bring her back.

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
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#11: Apr 23rd 2013 at 1:02:19 AM

The thing about Pixar movies is that they have to have a greater philosophical theme. Incredibles wasn't just about a bunch of superheroes, but about the entire notion of superheroism itself and how it fits into the world. That's the main reason I'd be uneasy about it having a sequel at all — you'd have to come up with a sweeping theme just as grand.

edited 23rd Apr '13 1:03:18 AM by Pykrete

TParadox Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: The captain of her heart
#12: Apr 23rd 2013 at 1:11:53 AM

It wasn't even superheroism. You could argue that "when everyone's super, no one is" is a statment on "everybody gets a trophy" self-esteemism.

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#13: Apr 23rd 2013 at 4:45:54 AM

[up]Arguable, nothing.

It's psychotic! They keep finding new ways to celebrate mediocrity.

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FigmentJedi Since: Jan, 2001
#14: Apr 23rd 2013 at 5:22:40 AM

Do a timeskip with Violet and Dash becoming solo heroes or a more direct sequel adapting the Myth Arc of the comics of supervillains crawling out of the woodwork after Nomanisan and being lead by Xerek in an effort to discredit the supers.

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#15: Apr 23rd 2013 at 11:53:24 AM

How about this?

During one of their heroics, Dash, still a teenage guy or something, gets hurt, possibly be put in some sort of coma. At that point, the entire family reconsiders being a hero.

I mean, it's the logical progression. First of all, it delves into the hero trilogy, where the first is the introduction of the main cast, the second one wonders if it's a good idea to be a hero, and the third one affirms that they are heroes and the one movie they finally come in terms with being one.

But second, it also brings up the question of whether to involve your children with the dangerous lifestyle, if they shouldn't have done more to protect their children, to keep them safe. In the end, they could have the realization that, no matter how protective they are, they can't keep their kids from growing up, from doing what they want. It's the movie where they realize that one day they have to let their children go, let them pick their own path.

Then, if there would ever be a third one, when each and every kid grows up, and Jack-Jack is about to graduate or something, it would all be about family, that, no matter how far your family is, they still will be your family. The third one could be about family, about starting a new family, about maintaining an old family, but perhaps even better, the movie would be about what defines a family. And, perhaps also important, when is it time to reveal your secrets to the part of the family that doesn't know about your powers?

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KaijuXXX Kwisatz Haderach from Woodbury Since: Jan, 2013
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#16: Apr 23rd 2013 at 12:22:13 PM

I'd rather no sequel. It stands perfectly on its own.

The Incredibles deserves a sequel as much as Cars didn't. And seeing how they're apparently on a prequel high, I suggest a prequel. Obviously we got a lot about the end of the Super Era in the prologue, but I think it'd be really cool to go back to the beginning of the Supers. The first ones, seeing Bob and Helen realize theirs... Although I don't really know what conflict could be brought into this, villain wise, because if Bob's wall is to be believed, the Golden Age just consisted of a bunch of rescues and crappy villains and generic crimes to fight. No real nemesis like Syndrome. Speaking of the villains, how about a villain spin off? We only saw Bomb Voyage (Barely at that), and we don't know what happened to them after the Supers went away! Did they continue being villains? Were they forced to relocate as well? Maybe it's like the Supers and their Villains can't live without one another.

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kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#17: Apr 23rd 2013 at 12:49:59 PM

Doug Walker thinks that the plot for a good sequel would involve Dash and Violet growing up. I agree, since it would offer a fresh dynamic in the family, and a new villain or evil organization would only make it fresher.

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#18: Apr 23rd 2013 at 12:51:44 PM

Not only that, it would totally fit in with what the Incredibles actually is about.

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kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#19: Apr 23rd 2013 at 12:55:40 PM

Oh, and Edna Mode needs to come back.

But that's a give-in.

TParadox Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: The captain of her heart
#20: Apr 23rd 2013 at 1:25:16 PM

I'd much rather have a present story with lots of breaks for relevant backstory flashbacks about Bob and Helen in the old days than just a prequel. An unsolved mystery from the Glory Days comes back to haunt the family, and we keep flashing back to them falling in love over the case.

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0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
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#21: Apr 23rd 2013 at 2:16:26 PM

[up][up] "Given", not "give-in."

The Incredibles deserves a sequel as much as Cars didn't.

But why does it deserve a sequel?

This article partially describes why I disagree with the idea. I don't completely agree with the article, but I do support its main position.

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Sijo from Puerto Rico Since: Jan, 2001
#22: Apr 23rd 2013 at 2:39:05 PM

There are some very fine ideas in this thread! grin

Here are the two things I'd insist be addressed in a sequel:

First: What happened to the supervillains? Because presumably, heroes existed to deal with them, and would people really had been so eager to get rid of the good Supers if the bad ones were still loose? My theory is that, unlike in comic books, the government eventually DID succeed in creating a super-prison where none of them escaped from. Because of that, eventually the heroes DID get rid of all super-criminals... which indirectly led to the (ingrate) public rejecting them afterwards. This sets up a perfect plot for the movie, as a massive breakout from the prison would let a supervillain army on the loose, straining The Incredibles' ability to deal with them (especially with so many heroes killed by Syndrome. I hope that fact gets thrown back on society's face.)

Second: In the first film, we saw how not being allowed to be heroes or use their powers took a toll, direct or indirect, on the Parrs. In the second film, this should be reversed, with being secretly superheroes affecting their normal lives- having to skip work or school, keeping secrets from friends (especially Violet's from her boyfriend) etc.

-Also, Edna and Mirage definitely have to return. ;)

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#23: Apr 23rd 2013 at 2:41:25 PM

There was a time when Pixar was averse to doing sequels.

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Shota Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
#24: Apr 23rd 2013 at 4:19:46 PM

All superhero movies have sequels these days. Superhero comics were continuing stories for decades. MARVEL's business model seems to run on Phases of movies that all exist in the same universe, so why can't The Incredibles? Plus, both are owned by Disney!

edited 23rd Apr '13 4:20:14 PM by Shota

DAStudent Since: Dec, 2012
#25: Apr 23rd 2013 at 4:22:57 PM

[up][up] There was a time when Pixar ruled... when their plots were gold, and their films exciting....

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