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Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:51:29 PM
Chaotic Greedy
Hanlon's Razor, I'd guess.
"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
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Pretty much.
Oh, reading it they are letting transmen in, and I think they're only allowing female members if they joined and then transitioned.
So it's mostly just their old sexism, but once you're in you're in for life.
So cis women are shit out of luck then.
Your friendly neighbourhood Regent
I've attended a Freemason gathering or two when I was still a journalism student (they needed the publicity, they're dieing out) and...
Spared from the insanity is more accurate.
Angry gets shit done.
Oh, bother.
Regardless, it's still sexist as hell.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Your friendly neighbourhood Regent
Oh, to be sure.
In modern times the main appeal of Freemasonry is that it provides a connection to a, quite literal, Old Boys' network. You don't even have to really make an effort to get to know them, since droning on about themselves and how they view the world is pretty much 90% of an Freemason meeting.
Angry gets shit done.
The Supreme Court of India just decriminalized same-sex activity.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/06/asia/india-gay-sex-ruling-intl/index.html
That's almost 20% of the whole world's population right now which can no longer be put to jail because of something out of their control, based on a law and moral standards from the 19th century.
I'm skeptical about this ruling being respected by the police (this being India), but it's still an extremely welcome step forward.
I despise hypocrisy, unless of course it is my own.
I'm not even gay and I think I'll go fuck a dude to celebrate.
Brenner's Wolves Fight Again
Just make sure that dude gives you permission.
Where there's life, there's hope.
Today and tomorrow Romania has a referendum underway to define marriage as being between one man and one woman.
If the 2015 Eurobameter is still valid, when only 21% of the population said gay marriage should be allowed throughout Europe, then I expect the measure to pass by a large margin, then viewed as a national shame in about 10 years, like in most western european countries.
Life is unfair...
The measure is expected to pass by a wide margin ... but not necessarily with enough people voting. In Europe we often have "at least N percent of all voters need to vote or else the referendum is invalid" rules.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Turnout was significantly lower than the threshold to make the vote valid (21.1% vs 30%).
Chaotic Greedy
Sounds like in these specific circumstances, it makes not voting a better choice than actually voting against. Weird.
"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
That's good. It's considered a non-issue that shouldn't even be humored.
^^That's not uncommon, actually.
By the by, to my understanding part of the issue is that the current social-liberal government - good illustration of different Overton windows, by the way - allegedly tried to use the referendum to distract the populace from another attempt to amnestize corrupt politicians.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Yeah, the wording on the ballot was shifty, they didn't specify what the change was.
The Mod with the Migraine
Posting in this thread instead of the US one because the research was done in the UK. But here's your breaking news sure to be instantly misinterpreted by religious reactionaries around the globe anyway: UK scientists identify 4 genes linked to homosexual attraction in both men and women, in a study that covered almost half a million people.
Specifically, a team of researchers has discovered four genetic variants across four chromosomes that seem to be linked to same-sex attraction. And unlike previous research, which has concentrated only on same-sex attraction in men, this study has also found a genetic link for female homosexual behavior – the first ever discovered.
This fascinating result was found after the team analyzed the DNA information of over 400,000 volunteers in the UK Biobank, as well as more than 69,000 people who had given their genetic material to the private biotech company 23andMe. This data was then compared to exhaustive questionnaires covering sexual history and behavior, which participants completed when submitting their DNA.
After initially seeing the link in these two huge datasets, the team then confirmed it in three smaller studies, bringing the total number of subjects to over 490,000 people. The findings were presented at this year's meeting of the American Society of Human Genetics.
Previous research has linked sexual orientation in men to genetic variations in their DNA, and it seems this study has reinforced that finding, as two of the four genetic variants the team identified were specific to male sexuality. However, the other two were connected to sexuality in both men and women – putting a dent in some of the more, uh, controversial theories about female same-sex attraction.
Of course, sexuality is complicated, and it’s important to note here that the research looked at same-sex behavior and attraction, not sexual orientation – something far more personal and nebulous than a person's objective sexual history. In fact, the researchers warn against interpreting their result as a clear genetic cause for sexual orientation, noting that sexuality is influenced by a wide range of factors.
“There is no gay gene,” lead study author Andrea Ganna told Science News Magazine. “Non-heterosexuality is influenced by many tiny-effect genetic factors.” The team estimates their four variants account for only 8 to 12 percent of the genetics behind same-sex sexual behavior.
Despite this caution, however, the study has some major advantages over previous research into the genetics of sexuality – the most obvious being its sheer magnitude. With nearly half a million participants overall, the findings are much more likely to be replicable than those of smaller studies. And they are likely to apply to a much wider range of people, too, since it includes both men and women, and doesn’t rely on twins.
Although the team has yet to pin down the exact effect these genetic variants have on behavior, in an intriguing twist, some are already known to be associated with certain characteristics. One, for example, is linked to our sense of smell, while another is linked to male pattern baldness – meaning it probably won’t be long before we see the headline “Want to tell if a man is gay? Just look at his hairline, say scientists.”
Well, two genes with gayness and two with homosexual relation. It's difficult to tell because I can't find the original publication, though.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Anyways Here's Darude Sandstorm
I'm not sure if I'm interpreting the article correctly but where does this leave those who think there is a 'cure' for homosexuality? Does it fuel the fire or dowse it?
GIVE ME YOUR FACE
Since many of them are religious nutjobs, I'd doubt that it will shake their ideology much.
Though perhaps this discovery will make it more difficult to label LBGT as mentally ill?
... How is it any different?
Where there's life, there's hope.