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Discussion of religion in any other context is off topic in all of the "LGBTQ+ rights..." threads.

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Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:51:29 PM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#3826: Jun 15th 2023 at 9:04:40 AM

It's also worth noting that stuff like Target removing pride displays? It's because they kept getting bomb threats. You can't really just ignore that.

You can't ignore it but you certainly don't have to do what they did. Bring law enforcement in, have permanent security, and so on. There are actions that can be taken if a major corporation wants to smack down on extremists, after all they do it against the left all the time.

Capitulating to terrorists wasn't the only option they had available to them.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jun 15th 2023 at 9:05:46 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#3827: Jun 15th 2023 at 9:08:43 AM

But it's the kind of things that idiot executives would do because capitulating is the cheap option. It's not them going "we hate queer people now" it's them going "we don't want to spend millions of dollars on securing a display that's around for a single month in the face of a very large number of bomb threats where we have no idea which ones are real or not and making a bad call once can lead to an entire store getting ruined and who knows how many people getting hurt or killed."

It sucks, but it's one of those situations where any security person worth a damn would tell Target to just take down the displays. Especially since they got dozens of bomb threats aimed at tons of locations around the country.

Edited by Zendervai on Jun 15th 2023 at 12:10:16 PM

Twinkleroc from Arizona Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: A heart full of love
#3828: Jun 15th 2023 at 9:22:22 AM

Corporate support for LGBT was always shallow at best as many if not most continued to financially support anti LGBT politicians and policies. Not to mention how theyll remain silent about or actively censor LGBT in countries where it isn't profitable. The point of pride is that queerness shouldn't be hidden and that just spits in the face of it.

I'm not going to say it isn't concerning how they're withdrawing support but as a bisexual I'd rather they call me the f slur than pretend to be my friend, take my money and stab me in the back with it.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#3829: Jun 15th 2023 at 9:43:59 AM

I'm reminded of a video I recently saw from gay video essayist James Somerton that deals with the increasing corporatization of Pride:

He notes that Pride originated as a form of protest to incentivize the more moderate parts of the queer community to become more politically active and highlight the inequalities that existed among them, but that while it's great that being gay/lesbian/bisexual is more acceptable these days, it's also become overly sanitized in the wake of most states increasing their pressure against all queer folk, not just trans punching bags. Essentially the rainbow capitalism has gone off the rails in the last few years.

YourBloodyValentine Since: Nov, 2016
#3830: Jun 20th 2023 at 10:42:49 PM

Italian prosecutor demands cancellation of birth certificates for lesbian couples

The prosecutor of Padua Valeria Sanzari has demanded the cancellation of 33 birth certificates, dating as far back as 2017, of children born from lesbian couples. Precisely, she asked to remove the name of the member of the couple which is not the biological mother.

To have some context: in Italy same sex civil unions (not yet marriages) were legalized in 2016, but the law do not allows same sex couples to adopt. However, the law is unclear about the biological offpring of one member of the couple, so some courts have ruled in favor of same sex couples to adopt each other's children. Public officials in many italian cities have registered birth certificates with two mothers listed since then.

Now the government has issued a declaration which considers these registrations illegal, and the prosecutor of Padua started a legal case asking to retroactively cancel the birth certificates issued since 2017. If she succeeds, this means that one of the mothers will not have parental rights any more. If the member of the couple who is the biological mother dies, for example, the child will be considered an orphan and the other mother will not be given their custody.

(Right now, I'm hating my country).

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#3831: Jun 21st 2023 at 11:50:31 AM

So we’ve found out what happens when the Gender Critical crowd doesn’t have the Neo Nazis to back them up.

‘Gender-critical’ activists attempted to protest a Primark in Lincoln. Two people showed up

Hundreds of pro-LGBTQ+ activists came together in Lincoln to drown out an anti-trans protest against Primark’s Pride campaign, which which was attended by just two ‘gender-critical’ campaigners.

On Sunday (18 June), around 200 counter-protestors gathered to oppose the anti-trans campaign outside the city’s Primark at midday.

The poorly attended anti-trans event was inspired by Kellie-Jay Keen, also known as Posie Parker, and arranged to protest Primark’s Pride campaign which celebrates “found families”.

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#3832: Jun 21st 2023 at 12:54:39 PM

TERFs are very good at making themselves look bigger and stronger than they really are (usually being confined to forums and social media where they can create sockpuppets and lie freely), but being cripplingly-paranoid bigots who know full well how repugnant their views are even among other conservatives, they can't put up, so they usually just shut up. Mercifully for the rest of humanity.

...now if only one of them wasn't a billionaire.

Edited by Chortleous on Jun 21st 2023 at 2:57:52 PM

CosmosAndChaos Peach from Brazil (Don’t ask) Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
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#3833: Jun 21st 2023 at 7:13:14 PM

Ignore.

Edited by CosmosAndChaos on Jun 22nd 2023 at 10:25:08 AM

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PresidentStalkeyes Eats moldy bread and flies into windows from United Kingdom of England-land Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Do you like me? (Yes ⎕ Definitely ⎕ Absolutely!!! ⎕)
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#3834: Jun 21st 2023 at 7:21:53 PM

[up][up][up]Also if they're protesting the promotion of the idea of 'found families', that doesn't do a great job at fighting the accusation that they're just conservative traditionalists in disguise, does it?

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#3835: Jun 21st 2023 at 8:54:32 PM

[up][up] ...sorry, where'd this come from?

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#3836: Jun 22nd 2023 at 4:56:46 AM

Yeah I... genuinely dunno where you got that idea about it being "seen as acceptable", aside from preexisting harmful stereotypes about exactly that being commonplace that come from a homophobic PoV in the first place.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#3837: Jun 22nd 2023 at 6:10:11 AM

I have to echo the others, that is not something that's actually a thing. Maybe some piece of media somewhere featured it but that isn't a problem in real life.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jun 22nd 2023 at 6:10:18 AM

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#3838: Jun 22nd 2023 at 6:23:36 AM

Hitting on somebody whom you know not to be interested is scummy no matter who does it.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#3839: Jun 22nd 2023 at 6:24:30 AM

Sure, it would be terrible if it actually happened in appreciable numbers.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
CosmosAndChaos Peach from Brazil (Don’t ask) Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
Peach
#3840: Jun 22nd 2023 at 6:24:50 AM

Okay, nevermind. I'm such an idiot.

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#3841: Jun 22nd 2023 at 8:16:41 AM

[up] What actually prompted you to ask about it? That's not really something that comes from nowhere, did you see it in a movie or a TV show?

CosmosAndChaos Peach from Brazil (Don’t ask) Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
Peach
#3842: Jun 22nd 2023 at 5:24:16 PM

Well... I remember a case in a social network called Orkut(now extinct) where someone in a pro-LGBT community said they heard a man saying to his wife: "this guy is gay", and then someone commented that if it happened to him, he'd react by saying: "Why yes, I am. Wanna have a menage a trois?". And no one batted an eye at that comment.

But yeah, I wasn't being rational when I posted the now-edited out post.

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#3843: Jun 22nd 2023 at 5:53:40 PM

Speaking of the harmful stereotypes about LGBT community, here's a fun fact that some of you probably already know:

One of the first pioneeers of 20th study and acceptance was a German physian/sexologist Magnus Hirschfeld (a really kickass name, if I may say), who was also, by his own description, a Jewish homosexual.

Unsurprisingly, the Nazis revoked his citizenship and his books were actually among the very first books to be destroyed by Nazi book burnings. Hirschfeld was forced to flee to France where he died of heart attack in 1935.

So, yeah. The link between persecution of LGBT community and fascism, including the accusations of depravity and corruption of youth, has a long history, to say the least.

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#3844: Jun 22nd 2023 at 6:01:54 PM

Everything about the Institute of Sexology is pretty interesting history.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#3845: Jun 22nd 2023 at 9:44:02 PM

The destruction of the Institute is a legitimate parallel to the destruction of the Great Library of Alexandria, there were a ton of texts that weren't copied anywhere else and there's a lot we don't even have a surviving list of. We don't really know how much knowledge was destroyed beyond "a lot, at least some of which we might not have rediscovered yet".

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#3846: Jun 23rd 2023 at 9:53:51 AM

The pillaging of the House of Wisdom is probably a better comparison. The Great Library's destruction was less dramatic and comprehensive than its legend claims.

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#3847: Jun 23rd 2023 at 11:47:13 AM

Yeah, as it turns out, the Great Library was already in heavy disuse at the time it burned down the final time because... Well, it kept burning, so people didn't want to keep their stuff there anymore.

PresidentStalkeyes Eats moldy bread and flies into windows from United Kingdom of England-land Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Do you like me? (Yes ⎕ Definitely ⎕ Absolutely!!! ⎕)
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#3848: Jun 23rd 2023 at 11:54:26 AM

So does that mean the analogy that 'the internet is a constantly burning Library of Alexandria' can be amended to 'the internet is exactly like the Library of Alexandria?' :V

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Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#3849: Jun 26th 2023 at 1:41:41 PM

Is it still rainbow capitalism if the company leaves up the rainbows after Pride month or is it sincere?

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#3850: Jun 26th 2023 at 1:46:10 PM

It just means they didn't care enough not to remove the rainbows,so probably

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