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INHOPELESSGUY Since: Apr, 2011
#276: May 23rd 2013 at 4:05:39 AM

Well, that's the thing. There's really nothing the Government could do to force the Lords to submit to the will of the House (and thus, the Government).

All we can do is hope that the Lords realise, "wait, shit. We're going to frustrate the will of the people by blocking this Bill. Better not pull any shit."

[up]Well, yeah. That's true. Except for the fact that the majority of Government Bills have been manifesto Bills, meaning that the Lords cannot reject them without looking like arseholes. tongue

edited 23rd May '13 4:06:23 AM by INHOPELESSGUY

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#277: May 23rd 2013 at 4:19:23 AM

My theo teacher has used the slipper slope fallacy when arguing that gay marriage would lead to beatsiality. I'm not sure where he got that information. Sme obscure bill? in- Germany maybe? Idk. But beatsiality is already legal in Denmark. Of course the two don't have any correlation I think

edited 23rd May '13 4:20:10 AM by Xopher001

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#278: May 23rd 2013 at 4:24:04 AM

[up][up]

it is unconstitutional for the Lords to block manifesto bills.

[up]

Germany legalized bestiality then re-criminalized it.

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INHOPELESSGUY Since: Apr, 2011
#279: May 23rd 2013 at 4:25:02 AM

@ Ach. I know, but thank you for that. tongue

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#280: May 23rd 2013 at 4:48:33 AM

Re:Slippery Slope Fallacy: I'm just old enough to remember people saying that if we recognise gay unions that the gay people would eventually start acting like they have the right to get married like a 'normal couple. So broken clocks and that.

edited 23rd May '13 4:50:18 AM by joeyjojo

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#281: May 23rd 2013 at 4:55:13 AM

[up]

And there are some old enough to remember when people said if Jim Crow was repealed it would let those uppity blacks sit at the front of the bus and go to white schools!

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#282: May 23rd 2013 at 5:13:20 AM

Hopey, can't the commons force though the bill via passing it a total of three times? That's what was done with fox hunting, which incidentally was also a free vote. Do we know the opinion of the Lords on the bill? Depending on how progressive some of the Lords are it might pass.

As for the Lords in general, I like the idea, but it needs reform. Remove the remaining hereditary peers, remove the Lords Spiritual, bring down the average age, and make it so it's more than a dumping ground for annoying members.

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CaptainKatsura Decoy from    Poland    Since: Jul, 2011
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#283: May 23rd 2013 at 7:43:30 AM

You have no constitution, Brits. Just sayin' wink

edited 23rd May '13 7:45:29 AM by CaptainKatsura

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#284: May 23rd 2013 at 8:37:32 AM

RE:Slippery Slope Fallacy: Whenever people say that gay marriage will lead to polygamy, my response is that I hope so. For bestiality and pedophilia... Well, people should look up what "informed consent" means.

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#285: May 23rd 2013 at 8:53:49 AM

[up][up]Um... we do. It's just that sodding huge (and parts of it are just that old), we haven't put it into a single document. <shrugs>

Unlike many countries, we haven't actually had much of a break or radical overhaul in government for almost 1000 years where a single bit of paper was thought an improvement to go for to condense the whole lot down. tongue

Hell, we've still got the Anglo-Saxon foundations underneath the whole lot (possibly becoming peat)... [lol]

[down]Tee-hee. waii

edited 23rd May '13 9:02:39 AM by Euodiachloris

pagad Sneering Imperialist from perfidious Albion Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#286: May 23rd 2013 at 8:56:30 AM

[up][up][up] Yes we do. It just isn't codified in a single document.

[up] Cuuuuurse you, dratted ninja tongue

edited 23rd May '13 8:57:55 AM by pagad

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#287: May 23rd 2013 at 9:45:19 AM

The bigots that stain France are still at it, plan a protest this Sunday. Pfff...

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CaptainKatsura Decoy from    Poland    Since: Jul, 2011
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#288: May 23rd 2013 at 9:54:53 AM

That's not a formal constitution.

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QuestionMarc Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#289: May 23rd 2013 at 9:59:59 AM

Don't go No True Scotsman on the Brits, they have a constitution. It's just a special snowflake.

edited 23rd May '13 10:01:25 AM by QuestionMarc

CaptainKatsura Decoy from    Poland    Since: Jul, 2011
Decoy
#290: May 23rd 2013 at 10:19:28 AM

That's not a special snowflake, but a legislatory nightmare for masochists.

edited 23rd May '13 10:19:42 AM by CaptainKatsura

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#291: May 23rd 2013 at 10:21:34 AM

...Isn't that what special snowflake means?

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#292: May 23rd 2013 at 10:27:09 AM

Katsura, it's the oldest living constitution still going. And, that it is still going screams volumes. Thank you ever so much for not having noticed. tongue We're proud of our overgrown hedgerow, thank you very much. You can keep your shrubs, everybody else (most of which have been grown from cuttings of ours — if you bother to look).

Ours may outweigh yours, but... just you try uprooting it or killing it off. Come on, if you think you're hard enough. wink

edited 23rd May '13 10:28:57 AM by Euodiachloris

CaissasDeathAngel House Lewis: Sanity is Relative from Dumfries, SW Scotland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#293: May 23rd 2013 at 10:29:45 AM

Wasn't fox hunting banning in a manifesto though? That effectively protects it from the Lords. This wasn't, so its passage isn't guaranteed.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#294: May 23rd 2013 at 10:32:58 AM

[up]Not passing the Bill would be a mistake, though: the Lords know the Commons don't need much excuse to push for further Lords reform. <_< (Myself, I'm a bit leery of more Party involvement in the Lords, to be honest — having non-aligned specialists able to block the Commons can be a boon as well as a bust.)

This could prove the very excuse, if they try blocking it. tongue

Annoying though the potential block is... too often, the Lords has been a vital check on Commons' stupidities. <_< Like it or lump it, the feedback has uses.

edited 23rd May '13 10:37:04 AM by Euodiachloris

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#295: May 23rd 2013 at 10:35:53 AM

[up][up][up][up][up]It still works better than a lot of codified ones. We Brits are very good and building complex, insane and downright broken institutions that someone manage to work reasonable well most of the time.

[up][up][up] Are you saying that we don't get to demand a shrubbery? sad

[up][up] I'm pretty sure they still had to force it though, it might have something to do with it being a free vote.

[up]That's why I don't think the Lords Spiritual will participate in the vote, there are lots of people just waiting for an excuses to remove them from the Lords. As for Lords reform, I agree that specialists are nice, as is having people above party politics. It's just finding the right balance.

edited 23rd May '13 10:39:49 AM by Silasw

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#296: May 23rd 2013 at 10:45:20 AM

[up]We've got a hedgerow full of inter-connected shrubbery. Why prune it down to one? It's great for wildlife*

! wink

edited 23rd May '13 10:49:39 AM by Euodiachloris

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#297: May 23rd 2013 at 10:46:47 AM

The Alabama state constitution is apparently the longest in the world, according to The Other Wiki.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#298: May 23rd 2013 at 10:50:53 AM

[up] How much shorter would it be if they replaced all the "we hate [non WASP group]" with "We hate everyone who isn't WASP"?

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Morgikit Mikon :3 from War Drobe, Spare Oom Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Mikon :3
#299: May 23rd 2013 at 11:00:56 AM

It's mostly a bunch of amendments nobody cares about that only effect one county or city. But a law requiring segregated schools is still in it, though it's been rendered unenforceable since the 60s.

CaptainKatsura Decoy from    Poland    Since: Jul, 2011
Decoy
#300: May 23rd 2013 at 11:01:19 AM

Oldest constitution is the American. We beat the rest of Europe to it in 1791. tongue. If Magna Carta was a constitution, then Poland had a constitution since 15th century. /end of derail

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