Setting Up Trope Relationships

Somewhat of a redundant question, as PP is a Sub-Trope to BAIB. Yes, a single ricochet is a downplayed PP, check the Real Life folder for why. As a Sub-Trope, it is also improbable ballistics.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

- Thanks! Yeah, it was just the number of bounces that was tripping me up.

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What's Artificial Limbs' connection to Cyborg?

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Leet Lingo is Letters 2 Numbers + Symbols Equal Words?

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Covers Always Lie is a Sub-Trope of Very False Advertising?

Edited by Malady on Dec 17th 2020 at 3:36:16 AM

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Are there any missing subtropes for Artistic License – Chemistry?

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As in Missing Sub Trope, or just things we haven't indexed?

Because I'd be down for a trope about fictional things that share the name of real life things, like Comic Books: Promethium.

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Then there's real chemicals, intended to be the real ones, but not working like it.

Edited by Malady on Dec 30th 2020 at 11:45:22 AM

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I was thinking of one called Element 115 for elements described as superheavy.

Just ones that aren't indexed yet.

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Heavy overlap. I'm not certain how much overlap other editors would tolerate. I'd be willing to merge under the name Cyborg.

I'd say of Xtreme Kool Letterz needs to be reworked into a Super-Trope; LL and L2N are sister tropes.

Uncertain, prefer to hear more opinions.

I would categorize that as Unobtainium, Sub-Trope to Artistic License – Chemistry.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

So, we've got some TRS candidates there. Okay!

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Is X being stopped by stronger version of X any specific Sub-Trope of No-Sell?

Like Cannot Cut Like??

Note to self:

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How is Death by Childbirth not a Sub-Trope of Missing Mom?

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Well, I just altered descriptions so that Healing Magic Is the Hardest is a Healing Hands sub-trope... I guess Healing Hands also counts for magic that just heals the user... As it's about Healing Magic, not the target?

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Cute and Psycho is now Overdosed... Does it have Sub Tropes? What's the relation to Girl with Psycho Weapon and Killer Rabbit, etc?

Edited by Malady on Jan 24th 2021 at 6:52:10 AM

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Wait... I know some non-Artificial Limbs-type Cyborg because it's all implants?

So, Artificial Limbs should be a Sub-Trope of Cyborg, no? ... And it is! ... I should start seeing what overlap exists...

Oh, at least Cyborg, Hollywood Cyborg redirect, and Artificial Limbs only overlap on 31... 21 now... But plain Cyborg ∩ Artificial Limbs is 623...

Edited by Malady on Feb 8th 2021 at 7:38:57 AM

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^ - I still haven't made headway on that. Sigh. Gaming...

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Is Legendary Weapon really a Sub-Trope of Named Weapon? There are these counter-examples from the page, but are they then plays on it, then?

Just being called "[Person]'s [Weapon]"... Is that really a Name?? That's more just from a famous owner?

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What's the relationship between Plucky Girl and Determinator?

Determinator only says 'See also ... Plucky Girl', which isn't helpful. However, Plucky Girl states how the trope differs from Determinator and suggests male versions are usually closer to Determinator than female examples tend to be.

That suggests Plucky Girl is a type of Determinator trope, where a character would be one or the other, but not both, and that the relationship seems to be a sliding scale: the grimmer kind go under Determinator while the more optimistic, upbeat kind go under Plucky Girl.

The laconic just says 'Optimistic female Determinator', which means the laconic needs a clean-up, as the trope makes it clear that male examples do exist.

Based on what the Plucky Girl trope says, it looks to me like they're sister tropes and characters cannot be both tropes at the same time. However, a Plucky Girl could slide into Determinator over time if their optimism takes a permanent hit but their refusal to give up doesn't.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Mar 20th 2021 at 2:06:54 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

I like that distinction, but if a character can only be one at a time, then they have a super/sub relationship.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

How is Delighting in Riddles related to Riddle Me This? I guess a person that's Delighting doesn't need to reward answerers, unlike Riddle Me This?

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Both are on Cryptic Conversation because they include word puzzles. I think Delight is more about characterization, due to the emphasis it places in describing how much the the characters enjoy presenting riddles. Riddle Me should be the supertrope of Knights and Knaves as well; the riddle is a challenge that must be overcome. I think they can overlap, when someone who speaks in riddles presents a challenge, but they don't have to. A trickster who mocks the protagonists with their ignorance isn't presenting a test in the form of a riddle. A plaque that describes a contest in the form of a riddle isn't a person.

Edited by crazysamaritan on Mar 28th 2021 at 10:33:10 AM

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Temporarily Exaggerated Trait seems related to the various Ball Index tropes (Idiot Ball, Jerkass Ball, Smart Ball, etc), just that TET seems to rely more on existing traits while the ball tropes are for traits the character otherwise doesn't really have. Would it be worth a "compare" note or a "contrast" note in the description?

Edited by mightymewtron on Mar 27th 2021 at 10:31:04 AM

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I think it would be a contrast.

The Trickster page has a list of SubTropes which raises questions. I believe half of those are not sub-tropes.

My take on it:

• The Artful Dodger - Related trope
• The Barnum - Sub-Trope
• Blithe Spirit - Related trope
• Con Man - Sub-Trope
• The Chessmaster - Related trope
• Chessmaster Sidekick - Related trope
• Classy Cat-Burglar - Related trope
• Clever Crows - Related trope
• Court Jester - Related trope
• Cuckoosnarker - Related trope
• Cunning Like a Fox - Sub-Trope
• Deadpan Snarker - Related trope
• Delighting in Riddles - Related trope
• Doppelgänger - Related trope
• Fantastic Foxes - Sub-Trope?
• Fixing the Game - Related trope
• The Gadfly - Related trope
• The Gambler - Related trope
• Gentleman Snarker - Related trope
• Gentleman Thief - Related trope
• Great Gazoo - Sub-Trope
• Guile Hero - Related trope
• Heads or Tails? - Related trope
• High-School Hustler - Related trope
• Karmic Trickster - Sub-Trope
• Kitsune - Sub-Trope?
• Lovable Rogue - Related trope
• Lovable Traitor - Related trope
• Loves Secrecy - Related trope
• Magnificent Bastard - Related trope
• Manipulative Bastard - Related trope
• Master of Illusion - Sub-Trope?
• Monkey King Lite - Sub-Trope?
• Mooching Master - Related trope
• Opportunistic Bastard - Related trope
• Peeve Goblins - Related trope
• Playful Hacker - Sub-Trope?
• Peter Pan Parody - Sub-Trope
• The Prankster - Related trope
• The Presents Were Never from Santa - Related trope
• Rascally Rabbit - Sub-Trope
• Rascally Raccoon - Sub-Trope
• Roguish Romani - Related trope
• Screwball Squirrel - Sub-Trope
• Servile Snarker - Related trope
• Voluntary Shapeshifting users - Related trope
• Shapeshifting Trickster - Sub-Trope
• The Snark Knight - Related trope
• Sneaky Spider - Sub-Trope
• The Spook - Related trope
• Those Wily Coyotes - Sub-Trope
• The Tramp - Sub-Trope?
• Trenchcoat Brigade - Related trope
• Trickster Girlfriend - Sub-Trope
• Trickster God - Sub-Trope
• Trickster Mentor - Sub-Trope
• Trickster Twins - Sub-Trope
• Troll - Related trope
• Turn Coat - Related trope
• Two-Headed Coin - Related trope
• The Unfettered - Related trope
• Villainous Harlequin - Related trope
• The Wonka - Related trope

Any opinions?

Edited by Asherinka on Mar 28th 2021 at 2:11:25 PM

- Agreeing with all Search-Generated Index Trickster tropes being sub-tropes at least!

The Jester isn't on the list but Court Jester is? Hmm...

Edited by Malady on Mar 28th 2021 at 5:04:12 AM

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The Barnum claims both Con Man and The Trickster as supertropes. If Con Man is a subtrope of the trickster, isn't that a bit redundant?

RE: The Jester and Court Jester: TRS is phasing out The Jester, and launched Court Jester to take up it's primary niche. They're still in the process of wick cleaning.

Do Supernatural Light and Fantastic Light Source sound too similar to each other, to anyone else?

And they're only connected by an index because of me, today.

Edited by Malady on Mar 29th 2021 at 5:24:03 AM

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Supernatural Light feels like it should be one possible explanation of Fantastic Light Source. For bonus overlaps, see Power Glows and Phosphor-Essence.

- That's worth a think...

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Is Our Pixies Are Different, a Sub-Trope of Our Fairies Are Different as it says? I can see why, but it's not too obvious.

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Robot Kid, what relation to Robot Girl? ... Robot Girl has an Anime.Avenger example, but that work uses Robot Kid...

Edited by Malady on Apr 17th 2021 at 2:57:00 AM

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Would Sexy Cat Person, Snakes Are Sexy, Foxy Vixen, and Seductive Spider be considered sister tropes to each other? They're all examples of animals that humans like to project whatever it is they find attractive about other fellow human beings onto.

Ominous Cube and Sinister Geometry are described as sister tropes, but wouldn't it make more sense for the former to be a subtrope of the latter? On the former's page, it says "Sister Trope to Sinister Geometry, which evokes the same feeling of dread that this trope often does, but is significantly larger in scale, and can take any geometric shape, such as diamonds or pyramids." which suggests Sinister Geometry being a broader supertrope.

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- True. Agreed.

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Agreed. Sinister Geometry covers geometry in general, while Ominous Cube is about a specific geometric form.

Edited by jandn2014 on Apr 19th 2021 at 3:35:44 PM

back lol