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spacemarine50 Since: Mar, 2012
#1: Apr 13th 2013 at 2:11:53 PM

Concealment Equals Cover: Looked though the examples, and about half of them are aversions of the trope. If it's bad, then something should be done.

edited 13th Apr '13 2:12:32 PM by spacemarine50

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#2: Apr 13th 2013 at 4:24:02 PM

Well, it's one of those tropes where aversions are generally notable. Most of the time they make a point about Concealment Doesnt Equal Cover, as that's more expected. In Video Games, it has to be specifically coded to avert it (unless bullets go through everything anyway, which is common in platformers). It's also one of those tropes that used to be more common, but now that people are getting aware of it's disconnect from reality, creators avert it more, often deliberately.

In short, I think it's fine. There could be a point in soft-splitting the page between straight examples and other, though.

(I take it this thread isn't a stealth TRS attempt, but rather asking about if it should be in TRS, or if something else should be done that doesn't need TRS. Or if it's fine as is.)

edited 13th Apr '13 4:26:27 PM by AnotherDuck

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spacemarine50 Since: Mar, 2012
#3: Apr 13th 2013 at 6:20:48 PM

Probably make it more clear that aversions are common. Or make it no straight examples. currently, it's buried in the text.

edited 13th Apr '13 6:21:18 PM by spacemarine50

spacemarine50 Since: Mar, 2012
#4: Apr 16th 2013 at 12:38:13 AM

That section is way down in the 2nd to last paragraph, as normal with nothing to make it stand out.

Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#5: May 1st 2013 at 5:55:27 PM

Based on what Another Duck is saying, it sounds like averting the trope has become a trope in its own right.

Maybe you need to create a Concealment Does Not Equal Cover trope.

Sorta like Light Is Good and Light Is Not Good.

edited 1st May '13 5:56:01 PM by Catbert

MagBas Mag Bas from In my house Since: Jun, 2009
#6: May 1st 2013 at 6:32:27 PM

Concealement Is Not Cover is 100% Truth in Television, has no notability or meaning by itself and the aversion to Concealment Equals Cover now is common. Sounds like textbook People Sitting In Chairs. By the way, reading the description of Light Is Not Good, Light Is Evil sounds more accurate, in other words, it is an inversion.

edited 1st May '13 6:47:12 PM by MagBas

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#7: May 7th 2013 at 4:45:16 PM

Light Is Good is a common enough assumption that simply inverting it is an implied subversion. It's not a neutral situation like having Light Is Good and Light Is Evil as the name of the two tropes implies.

MagBas Mag Bas from In my house Since: Jun, 2009
#8: May 7th 2013 at 5:23:22 PM

As mentioned in Not A Subversion, a subversion is when a work sets up a trope. It's an aversion when the genre itself sets it up.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#9: May 7th 2013 at 10:48:06 PM

[up][up]I think it's one of those cases where the difference between an inversion and a subversion can be rather subtle. If someone is known to be Evil before you find out they're Light, it's an inversion. If they're in any way portrayed as Light before you find out they're Evil, it's a subversion (but still also an inversion).

I think Light Is Not Good covers both (as in, it doesn't make that subtle distinction), though I've not read it to confirm.

edited 8th May '13 7:53:28 AM by AnotherDuck

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MagBas Mag Bas from In my house Since: Jun, 2009
#10: May 8th 2013 at 4:52:48 AM

Following Not A Subversion: "A trope can of course be both inverted and subverted, if the viewer or reader is led to expect the straight version only to be given an inversion of some kind, but an inverted trope is not automatically also a subverted one: there needs to be a genuine attempt to suggest that the trope is going to be used straight to qualify as a "subversion"."

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