Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

I think it was money, but I could see Perlmutter adding racism to it as well, I’m pretty sure he’s been linked to the racism issues with the Netflix shows.

Jeph Loeb certainly has.

As I recall they went with Cheadle because he's a bigger name. I guess they wanted a bit more star power. When someone at Marvel objected because they look nothing alike Perlmutter made some statement about black people looking the same so no one would notice.

It's weird, because like, kinda said goodbye to this show twice.

Even though I enjoyed these two half seasons, I thought that the season 5 would-be finale was a lot more cohesively stronger. Granted that shouldn't be surprising given that's what it was written to be.

Kind of sad that we never got to see Peggy, or Ward, or Tripp, but I guess their respective actors weren't available of there just wasn't enough time to get them into the plot cohesively.

Yeah I was sad too we never got to see Ward and Trip again.

But alas, not every good thing is meant to be.

Yeah, but as I said before, the entire team was more or less in tact. Coulson, May Skye/Daisy, Fitz and Simmons are all that's left of the original team, but considering they only lost one person (Ward), that's pretty good.

Not many series can hold onto their core cast like that.

Backup Coulson tho. Who'd make a fine cameo in a MCU movie tbh.

As much as I would like to see Coulson (or any of the agents actually) cameo in a MCU show, I don't think this is likely to happen, sadly.

Nice finale though. I'm just a bit disappointed we didn't get a glimpse of Deke Shaw in the ending (and that he didn't get to meet Ayla either).

And now I've finally watched it.

I would have liked the different time periods adventures to keep going but I guess they had to get some run up to the finale. Still disappointing though.

I feel like the ending was too pat which I've seen happen with a lot of definitely for real show finales because they want to fit in a kind of epilogue in there to give each character a send off. Its nice to see what the characters go on to do but it takes a chunk of the run time out of the resolution.

So the 'victory gets way less likely if we go back to the future' thing feels like false stakes when they come up with a perfect plan that goes flawlessly, even something like Daisy blowing herself the f up being keikaku doori.

I did like the solution to the hunter chronicoms being to shoot them with empathy because it feels like it calls back to how the chronicoms weren't killer robots, that they all got forcibly re-calibrated into being hunters when their planet died. And its an interesting way to tie in May's EMPATHY POWERSSS and Kora together as a plot fix. I'd have liked if Enoch had been involved in some way. Like if they used his not-hunter'd brain as the basis for it but that might have been too gruesome or too many pieces in the air. Still, I like it as the solution.

Young John Garrett was the smarm I loved to hate second most but I still feel like his death just came out of nowhere to get him off the board as soon as he was no longer plot relevant. And maybe to keep him from simplifying the end too much. It aids to that feeling of things being too pat.

Kinda wanted Nathaniel to have a power up meltdown. He had one the first time he took Daisy's powers and he decided to do it again and take Kora's and go immediately right into combat without training with them? I wanted him to burn himself out like an idiot. I get that they were going for something with Daisy but I just really wanted himself to be a self-sabotaging idiot.

Sigh and alas.

I guess Mack just went and became a less asshole, binocular visioned Nick Fury, huh? Is that the dress code for directors of SHIELD?

I'm honestly surprised that Coulson didn't die again, just to keep up the trend. I guess they wanted to give him a happy ending after everything.

And now I'd like to argue that all of the Agents of SHIELD's various dickings with time has landed them in an alternate timeline from the movie's timeline. Because of SHIELD still existing as a thing which it kept doing in the show but hasn't done as a thing in the movies.

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 16th 2020 at 12:04:42 PM

I think the overall opinion is that after Season 5, they did end up in some kind of Alternate Timeline.

6 and 7 just don't fit due to Infinity War and Endgame.

As pointed out, the issues between the T.V. and Film sides just screwed them over. I blame Permulter, since he seems legitimately responsible for a lot of bad shit.

Which is another reason Season 5 would've been the perfect end, until then everything did fit in just fine.

5 probably should have been the end yeah. You can even handwave it and say it's still in the main MCU and the snap literally happens right after. 6 and 7 make that impossible. I would have preferred an ending where they messed with time again and actually did create the main MCU timeline.

It’d be complicated in a lot of ways for AOS to try to tie into the movies at the last minute

It’d be kind of a downer ending for one thing

Yay we created the timeline where half of the population of everywhere stopped existing for five years, good work team

In a way it’s almost good that things didn’t end with season 5 because that would have been the agents save Earth and then the Snap happens

Snappens

It doesn’t make their efforts useless but it’s a bummer

The ideal would have been if season six had been allowed to work within that five year gap, helping the avengers keep the world together but the ship sailed on that. And I guess Fiege didn’t want anything about Endgame revealed.

Not wanting anything about Endgame to be revealed is one thing, but why was no one in the T.V. Staff informed of anything going on with that movie.

I mean, back in Season one, they tied a big cliffhanger to the Winter Soldier. You watch that episode, then go watch Winter Soldier and find out what's going on, and then come back to Shield to see the fallout and aftermath.

But I don't know: did the anger towards Permulter leak over to AOS? Why renew it for another season if you don't even bother to give them a heads up about what to expect so they can still believably coincide with the films.

The tie ins got weaker, but at the least, you could still somewhat believe that what was happening in this series was taking place in the MCU, even with the lack of references on the film side. That was an unfortunate consequence of the way the films were done, but you could understand it.

But with how things went these last two season, now it feels like a deliberate snub on the part of the films.

One of the first ties ins became a Red Headed Step child that they couldn't wait to get rid of....while still keeping it around. They renewed for two seasons despite the impossibility of how that works with the films they are supposed to be tying in to. What the hell was going on anymore?

I imagine that it got good enough ratings and most of the audience don’t care about how closely it tied into the movies

I mean I was always one of the people who said the show should not slavishly tie in and do it's own thing.

Hell, Season 4 had no tie-ins whatsoever IIRC, and it was by far the best Season.

But the Snap was just too much of a major thing to just ignore entirely. Suspension if disbelief doesn't work here.

Holy fuck, the LMD arc is the middle point of the series.

Gregg appeared in Captain Marvel, Bennett has said she feels she isn't over with Quake... who knows. The series being over is a good argument to have the characters cameo.

I wish they'd done more with Sybil and a whole lot less with Nathaniel. And I just don't really feel like we got to know Kora well enough for her arc to feel earned. Honestly — old Wilfred Malick, Sybil, and young Garrett or Cal or somebody as the big bad trio for the season. Maybe with Jiaying herself on the fence in the Kora role.

Feels a bit like they wanted to end on a bunch of cameos and just couldn't quite get everyone back in time. Which is fair, what with the pandemic and all. But it definitely felt like there were places where they wanted to throw in a cameo and just couldn't. Maybe that's just me.

I do like that final virtual meetup. That's good stuff.

Quake is in a good position end of series to be part of Nick Fury’s maybe-SWORD organization

I was getting a bit of an Abigail Brand vibe when she logged out and was standing on the bridge of the Zephyr.

Yeah Freddy Malick was definitely much more engaging than Nathaniel.

The only advantage Nathaniel had is that I really wanted bad things to happen to him because he was so obnoxious.

Kora was an okay character but she gets a lot of importance for someone that only showed up in...what, four episodes? Sibyl/Nathaniel were also meh as final antagonists.

I like Tamara Taylor, though, and the look they gave her as Sibyl. I felt like she could've done a lot more with the role if she'd been given the material.

Edited by Unsung on Aug 17th 2020 at 11:37:51 AM

Kora felt like someone was harboring plans for a post-shield show. Anchored on Chloe, but with a supporting cast which is otherwise new, which brings space for character development, and is also cheaper. So, new sister, new beau.

Kind of hope that happens. I really, really like Chloe and her portrayal of Quake.