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MarkVonLewis Too Strange to Live, Too Rare to Die from Somewhere in Time Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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May 27th 2013 at 3:25:55 PM

I'm with Barkey, using the premise of the movie I don't want to see a home invasion story - I want good ol' fashioned vigilantism. Death Wish on a wide scale. I'd rather this movie be nonstop criminal garbage catching lead.

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May 27th 2013 at 3:53:57 PM

Nonstop criminal garbage shooting other nonstop criminal garbage sounds like a decent movie.

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Jun 4th 2013 at 4:32:52 PM

Some years ago I read two short stories with a similar premise. What differs them from this movie is that they were urban fantasy with trolls and elves. And the said night of crime happened once in twenty/twenty-five years. The first story went mostly about 1) elves doing majik, and 2) human nature, as some husband killed his spouse "just in case", because who knows, what if he gets tired of her in a year or two, and the chance to kill her will be only in twenty years. The second story was a sequel, and in it cops, although unable to punish crime, could still help people. The protagonist was hired by a very rich patriarch of a very rich elf house. Their youngest child went missing and they all knew that that meant that the boy's gonna be killed by lower classes just because. They saved the kid, he was caught by humans and put into a cage to be tortured for entertainment, I think. Just sayin'. I'm gonna watch this movie just to see how they handle the explanation behind the idea.

edited 4th Jun '13 4:33:46 PM by nadinthedreamer

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Jun 4th 2013 at 5:42:13 PM

[up] Don't. It's not any more elaborate than what one gets from reading a synopsis.

Apparently, a sequel is already being concocted.

Lawyerdude Citizen from my secret moon base
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Jun 4th 2013 at 9:14:38 PM

A husband kills his wife "just in case" he got tired of her in a year or two? What, did he have some sort of ethical objection to divorce?

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CorrTerek The Permanently Confused from The Bland Line
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Jun 4th 2013 at 9:25:11 PM

Well, murdering your wife is only 60 evil points, but divorcing her is, like, 600.

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edited 4th Jun '13 9:26:30 PM by CorrTerek

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Jun 4th 2013 at 9:32:00 PM

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CorrTerek The Permanently Confused from The Bland Line
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Jun 4th 2013 at 9:41:55 PM

Bleh, too much trouble. You all get what I was going for anyway.

Lawyerdude Citizen from my secret moon base
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Jun 4th 2013 at 10:08:40 PM

Anywho, I can kind of see how the whole "no poverty no crime" thing might come about. In something like The Purge, the first people to be targeted by the sickos would probably be the helpless: the homeless, the elderly, the sick and feeble, and so on. Likewise, more civic-minded people would probably target criminals, drug dealers, pimps and other lowlifes. Meanwhile the well-off would be safely behind their fortress houses, particularly your Sleazy Politician and Corrupt Corporate Executive.

So either petty criminals would quit, or they'd just get much better at hiding their crimes. Meanwhile the rich and powerful would still be safe, doing their thing totally legally.

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Jun 5th 2013 at 6:33:42 AM

Wouldn't counterbalance the "and now the cities all burn to the ground" factor, though.

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Jun 5th 2013 at 5:18:11 PM

or some well-off super rich people get killed by low paid severs and maids working from them.

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Jun 6th 2013 at 9:46:21 AM

It seems to be an interesting concept, wasted on an unoriginal setting. I think a movie about a man trying to survive the purge when out in the open and being chased by participants would be more exciting than a home invasion story.

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Jun 6th 2013 at 10:32:02 AM

Yeah, the reviews aren't overwhelmingly positive. The premise just seems really flimsy. You mean to tell me that sociopaths are willing to wait a year to commit crimes. That just doesn't seem likely.

Lawyerdude Citizen from my secret moon base
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Jun 6th 2013 at 11:17:56 AM

A true sociopath lacks empathy, not necessarily self-control or self-preservation. The Purge wouldn't deter people who kill out of sudden passion, it wouldn't deter people who are truly ill and lack control, and it wouldn't deter people who kill for financial gain.

Really the only people who benefit from it are sociopaths and sadists who are calculating enough to wait for the one night of the year when they can indulge themselves without reprisal. Those sort of people are, thankfully, quite rare.

The AV Club has this to say:

Couched in the language of pop psychology and American exceptionalism, this so-called Purge is far from an equal-opportunity massacre; for the most part, it consists of the wealthy and well-armed killing the poor for sport. The message is blunt, but cogent: Any system that claims that no protection is the same as equal protection is really a system for protecting the privileged.

edited 6th Jun '13 11:22:51 AM by Lawyerdude

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Jun 6th 2013 at 1:36:33 PM

Reminds me of an anecdote I've heard several times (everyone claims it happened to a friend of theirs... too many people make this claim, of course) involving some big burly guy getting annoyed with kids sporting anarchist clothing and acting tough and beating one of the kids, telling them that this is what anarchy is, no one to stop the people bigger than them. Or, as I saw it put rather cogently at one point, "People who espouse survival of the fittest seldom realize that they're not the fittest in that scenario."

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Jun 6th 2013 at 4:15:56 PM

Saw the trailer. I have to echo the opinions of the people hear

wild mass guessThe guy they rescued is actually a brutal criminal who has been targeted for in retaliation for the crimes commit last year's purgewild mass guess

^The sad part is Anarchy originally meant no rulers not no rules. It's closer to socialism then dog eat dog.

edited 6th Jun '13 4:19:07 PM by joeyjojo

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Jun 6th 2013 at 4:45:28 PM

[up] Not necessarily socialism. You can have anarcho-capitalism as readily as anarcho-socialism. It just depends on what loose rule set people voluntarily agree to.

( and in both cases, they suffer and break down as you attempt to scale them up )

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Jun 6th 2013 at 6:31:51 PM

From what I've read, the "America Reborn" in the movie is some sort of highly libertarian nation. Other reviewers say that the film tries to be both a social commentary and a straight-up home invasion story, but is too indecisive to be good at either. Some others seem to agree that it's a strong premise, but weak execution.

Only the most quasi-anarchistic hyper-libertarians would deny that the government should at the very least protect people from violent crime and enforce the obligations of contracts. And in order to do that, the government needs to have not only the ability to use force, but a monopoly on the use of force. In a society that values rule by law, the law enforcers are themselves subject to the law and to the will of the people. If the people don't like the law, they can use proper channels to try to change it.

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joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies!
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Jun 7th 2013 at 8:50:42 AM

For the premise to work they would need to lock up people like Barkley up before the event. If cops are allowed to continue to do business as usual you haven't really legalise crime have you?

It would be like saying there's freedom of speech but the cops can still lock you up for saying the wrong thing.

edited 7th Jun '13 8:52:28 AM by joeyjojo

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Lawyerdude Citizen from my secret moon base
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Jun 7th 2013 at 9:07:55 AM

According to the trailer, they shut down all emergency services and, I presume, send the police home to do whatever they want. Or, if it's legal the police can detain you for the duration of the Purge but then they'd have to let you out.

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FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Jun 7th 2013 at 9:48:09 AM

And it's confirmed by the director that the movie is a condemnation of gun politics and excessive libertarianism and that it's intentional that it's the lower classes being culled by The Purge.

Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
Jun 7th 2013 at 10:29:59 AM

Wait. . . how is a movie in which a home gets *assaulted by violent felons intent on murder* supposed to be anti-gun? That's pretty much the most clear cut pro-gun scenario aside from "woman attacked by large, burly rapist."

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Jun 7th 2013 at 11:27:10 AM

I've read that it made back its entire budget in one night.

Lawyerdude Citizen from my secret moon base
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Jun 7th 2013 at 12:06:15 PM

[up][up] That reminds me of Linkara's Superman At Earths End review. To rephrase slightly: You can't have an anti-gun message if guns were clearly the best solution to your problem!

The AV Club review, I think, mentioned how the movie seemed really indecisive about its message. If a bunch of NRA-types took over, surely the first thing they'd do is repeal all or nearly all gun control laws.

Let me try to muddle through here: Home Invasion is the bugbear of the "guns for self-defense" crew. But the sort of widespread home invasion scenarios that these people imagine could only happen in a place with severe civil disorder, or the America of "The Purge". Most violent crimes that occur in houses are perpetrated by somebody who lives there or by somebody who knows the resident. Most break-ins occur when the residents are away, because burglars are there to steal things. And even if you are the target of a violent home invasion, chances are you won't have advance warning to get your gun from the cabinet, load it and use it. Unless you sleep with a loaded pistol under your pillow, in which case you need your head examined before you blow it off.

Based on the trailer, it looks like the whole plot could be avoided if the family owned guns. So I'm not sure how it's supposed to be anti-gun or anti-NRA.

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