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One thing I've noticed is that for all how the page for They Might Be Giants claims them to be the unofficial official band of this wiki, there's relatively few people on this site who seem to ever reference them.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 13th 2024 at 12:59:03 PM

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#21701: Oct 11th 2024 at 11:59:40 AM

I kind of find things like The Scrappy and Unintentionally Unsympathetic fascinating, in the way that I love analyzing what works and doesn't work in fiction and breaking down exactly how a story fails with certain characters just... I find it genuinely interesting lol

So yeah I've never been against the negative tropes and negative YMMV stuff on this site so long as people keep themselves in check when making examples. Obviously things aren't perfect but sometimes breaking down a story's flaws is healthy and good for learning what not to do.

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#21702: Oct 11th 2024 at 12:14:43 PM

i think it helps we are well beyond the natter and edit war stage when everyone threw The Scrappy or Unintentionally Unsympathetic at whatever character they hated. i will admit, i still have a grudge against Channel Awesome for several movies being flooded with negativity because haha sarcastic glasses man says it dumb n stupid.

say, does anyone remember that proposal by some tropers back in '14 to make a fork or similar website that included serious analysis from scholars?

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#21703: Oct 11th 2024 at 12:17:48 PM

Yeah, the examples aren't as nitpicky and angry anymore. Most examples are pretty well explained about what the flaws are and how people feel. Even the ones we take to cleanup tend to fail more due to people simply overestimating how other fans feel or because they were talking about intentional character flaws.

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#21704: Oct 11th 2024 at 12:39:21 PM

> say, does anyone remember that proposal by some tropers back in '14 to make a fork or similar website that included serious analysis from scholars?

I never saw or heard of that proposal but I doubt it was anything other then a suggestion.

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Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#21705: Oct 11th 2024 at 2:26:31 PM

[up][up] They might even go into the opposite and defend the character and make a skewed Fan Myopia version of what is actually the majority opinion. Which is fascinating as well.

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#21706: Oct 11th 2024 at 2:35:43 PM

Well, that happens more with Unintentionally Sympathetic. But yeah even that can be an earnest mistake from someone with passion. But we're breaking out of the nitpicky "reviewer said this" phase of YMMV.

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AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#21707: Oct 11th 2024 at 2:45:25 PM

[up] That is so true.

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Reymma RJ Savoy from Edinburgh Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
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#21708: Oct 12th 2024 at 11:16:33 AM

While there was a big influence from YouTube reviewers, the site was never really copying them. One of the biggest gripes I saw was in adaptations not being faithful to their source, and none of the Channel Awesome reviewers ever focused on that. Their main influence was on small, obscure properties that nobody would know of they hadn't been reviewed, you still see their opinion being repeated verbatim on those work pages. The big sources of complaining are on big but geeky things like Star Trek: Voyager, The Last Airbender, various TTRPGs and any number of bad games, and those are home-grown.

I don't remember a "scholarly" fork being suggested, but I do recall that during the second Google incident, several forks were made, and while most were looser with rules and aiming to preserve what was cut here, "Beyond The Lampshade" was made with the aim of being stricter: it was hoped that they could trope pedophilic works by letting articles be opinionated and clearly condemning them. They were also aiming to get rid of Japanese trope names (I vaguely recall that tsundere became "She Blows Hot And Cold" and Moe became "Tooth-achingly Cute"). It wasn't a true fork, they were rewriting each article and I think they never got beyond a dozen. It was mainly a forum for those who thought cleanup here was too lax.

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#21709: Oct 12th 2024 at 11:17:46 AM

I dont recall them writing articles,I just recall their forum being full of disgruntled users and trolls

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Malady (X-Troper)
#21710: Oct 12th 2024 at 8:44:33 PM

Just found this while trying to find the TLP Wishlist thread.

https://researchdata.smu.edu.sg/articles/dataset/TVTropes_Ideation_Dataset_Collaborative_Trope_Development_on_the_Trope_Launch_Pad_2020-2022_/26106265

File(s) under embargo 8 month(s) 13 day(s) until file(s) become available

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Disasturbator
#21711: Oct 13th 2024 at 4:32:18 AM

What is that?

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Malady (X-Troper)
#21712: Oct 13th 2024 at 4:41:12 AM

To quantitatively analyze the creative process, a Python scraper was utilized to collect extensive data on the TLP from May 14, 2020, to December 23, 2022. The dataset includes 4,498 trope proposals with outcomes ranging from successful launches to rejections.

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#21713: Oct 13th 2024 at 5:04:20 AM

[up] Well, if they want to research TLP launches, they should make sure they don’t fall victim to the glitch where launched drafts say they’re nuked. I’ve had to post TLP draft links in numerous descriptions thanks to that.

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#21714: Oct 14th 2024 at 3:04:11 AM

I was cleaning up misuse for Bottle Episode and noticed it has three literature examples. Holy moley...

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#21715: Oct 16th 2024 at 8:00:57 AM

Observation: Theme Tune and its subtropes have a shit-ton of video examples.

(I should know -- I uploaded the Zorro (1957) one)

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Oct 16th 2024 at 11:02:32 AM

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#21716: Oct 16th 2024 at 2:43:50 PM

Sorry to double post, but I noticed something else interesting.

"Random Trope" doesn't generate YMMV or Trivia items, at least as far as I know.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#21717: Oct 16th 2024 at 4:26:47 PM

Nope, they do show those types of tropes. There is just a lot more normal tropes than YMMV/Trivia.

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#21718: Oct 17th 2024 at 3:19:39 AM

I know it's not mandatory, but anyone miss when nearly everyone posting on the forums had a non-empty Troper page? Feels like I click on someone's username and they've got nothing on them.

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#21719: Oct 17th 2024 at 5:52:33 AM
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#21720: Oct 17th 2024 at 1:44:15 PM

[up][up] Nothing has changed in that regard, those who want to do so fill their page. Most do.

Edited by Amonimus on Oct 17th 2024 at 11:44:49 AM

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#21721: Oct 17th 2024 at 7:09:17 PM

It's occurred to me that there are some older tropes that are given names based on more obscure works that don't fall into Trope Namer Syndrome. Like, Macross Missile Massacre could easily be called "Missile Massacre" and very little would change.

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#21722: Oct 17th 2024 at 7:14:50 PM

No, in that instance, IT IS indeed the trope namer. Because if it wasnt, it would just be "Missiles Exist" which is People Sit On Chairs. The trope isnt just ANY missile attack, but rather a VISUAL SHORTHAND animators use to make missiles look cool. The real trope namer would be Ichiro Itano with his "Itano Circus" which he used extensively across his career and many would imitate him. But "Itano Circus" is meaningless to anyone not in the know about Japanese animation, hence Macross Missile Massacre.

Not every old trope's name is just obscure pandering, some are surprisingly well thought out for the era.

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#21723: Oct 18th 2024 at 8:30:25 AM

My biggest ongoing project is the Spheraverse, particularly the Characters/ pages for that 'verse. I just realised that perhaps categorising by alignment instead of by work may be better so I gotta rearrange some stuff, but not today, I've done plenty for the main elemental boi lol. (And I only made Sandbox.Characters Bo Boi Boy at first to clean up grammar and context in 2021 lol)

I may only launch these by at least (and likely later than) 2025 when the Papa Pipi movie and series become official. Maybe I should make a short term projects thread.

Edited by BlackFaithStar on Oct 18th 2024 at 11:48:09 PM

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FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#21724: Oct 19th 2024 at 6:43:51 AM

My favorite part of Trope Report is the joke sponsor at the bottom of the issue. We always have a blast coming up with them. Do people like those?

ETA: Huh, apparently it was War Jay 77 who came up with the idea, inspired by Neopets, of all things. Today I learned.

Edited by FernandoLemon on Oct 19th 2024 at 10:49:01 AM

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#21725: Oct 19th 2024 at 7:20:51 AM

It just adds so much flavor, lol.

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