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One thing I've noticed is that for all how the page for They Might Be Giants claims them to be the unofficial official band of this wiki, there's relatively few people on this site who seem to ever reference them.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 13th 2024 at 12:59:03 PM

FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#13576: Dec 7th 2022 at 8:19:38 AM

[up] I was going to say "at least that's a genre", but I'm thinking of Pony Tale.

CardboardBot from Saudi Arabia (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#13577: Dec 7th 2022 at 9:21:53 AM

I wonder how many TLPs are too much. Right now, I'm holding like three of them. Symbol Face, Clothes For Christmas Cringe, and Deity of Mortal Creation. The latter is the only one that I'm pretty sure I'll launch soon.

Do people tend to have multiple drafts at a time? If so, how many?

Checking in on this account after leaving the site, MAN that is a cringy forum post history. Daaamn. Never again.
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#13578: Dec 7th 2022 at 9:23:12 AM

If you can juggle them, it doesn't rally matter. I'd think just one is stressful enough, but if all drafts are worked on, it should be fine as long as they-re not low-effort.

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HoloMew151 Space Gal from From Deep, Deep Space Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Tweaking my holographic boyfriend
Space Gal
#13579: Dec 7th 2022 at 9:59:35 AM

[up][up] I've had multiple (think I had Doves Mean Peace and Mechanical Animals going at the same time) although for me, it depends on motivation.

AoeAbility Akarat bless you. from Personal Evil Tower of Ominousness Since: Mar, 2021 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
#13580: Dec 7th 2022 at 10:44:12 AM

I recently noticed that a very large portion of people in the forums label themselves as neurodivergent, asexual, or both. Not That There's Anything Wrong with That, but i find this demographic factoid rather interesting, to say the least.

You keep using the term "POV". I do not think it means what you think it means.
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#13581: Dec 7th 2022 at 10:48:34 AM

Almost every 1/4 (not a serious statistic) person in ATT or EB says they're neurodivergent or LGBT. Maybe we need an anonymous survey just for lulz.

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FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#13582: Dec 7th 2022 at 10:54:02 AM

We did have Troper Demographics, but that was based on Google Analytics rather than polls.

Edited by FernandoLemon on Dec 7th 2022 at 3:55:28 PM

wingedcatgirl mys. minty from the silly dimension from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
mys. minty from the silly dimension
#13583: Dec 7th 2022 at 10:57:00 AM

The oldest version of that page was called Most Tropers Are Young Nerds, and it was based on an informal survey on the very page itself where tropers just added "yes I too am a young nerd!"

e: ... in fact, the move to Troper Demographics was well before the removal of that survey.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Dec 7th 2022 at 1:59:29 PM

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
HoloMew151 Space Gal from From Deep, Deep Space Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Tweaking my holographic boyfriend
Space Gal
#13584: Dec 7th 2022 at 12:10:36 PM

I'm Autistic as well, and I'm curious to know the numbers.

Reymma RJ Savoy from Edinburgh Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
RJ Savoy
#13585: Dec 7th 2022 at 12:20:44 PM

It takes a certain mindset to devote time to a website like this (whether out of real passion or boredom for anything else), and likely it's a mindset that we would call neurodivergent (which I'm not sure is quite right; "neurodiversity" is meant to be a way of looking at minds, not a classification system).

For the GSM proportion, I'm not sure if the demographic is more out of the norm in this respect, but I can say that those who are online more will be more aware of the movements and the terminology and are certainly likelier to identify that way.

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.
themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him
#13586: Dec 7th 2022 at 12:54:33 PM

I have Asperger's myself, so I guess it fits. I know many tropers have mentioned being on the spectrum.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#13587: Dec 7th 2022 at 12:55:11 PM

I'm probably on the spectrum,maybe.

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
AoeAbility Akarat bless you. from Personal Evil Tower of Ominousness Since: Mar, 2021 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
#13588: Dec 7th 2022 at 12:59:31 PM

As a matter of fact, so am I.

Man, I already knew there must be a huge autism/ADHD concentration around here, but I never expected it to be this high. Again, I'm kinda amazed.

Edited by AoeAbility on Dec 7th 2022 at 12:59:55 PM

You keep using the term "POV". I do not think it means what you think it means.
ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Everyone's friend Malamar
#13589: Dec 7th 2022 at 1:00:35 PM

I mean, it's not a coincidence. The site's very design is built around elements that we would specifically find appeal in.

My musician page
Excessive-Menace Time to SLEEP from the Velvet Cage (Fifth Year at Tropey's) Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
Time to SLEEP
#13590: Dec 7th 2022 at 1:25:15 PM

So I posted on the Seventh Sanctum Random Alignments thread and Forum Games and...

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/padoru_double.PNG

I gotta say, I'm pretty amused on how our avatars and posts match each other.

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#13591: Dec 7th 2022 at 1:40:27 PM

After making an offhand reference to Tomato in the Mirror earlier I wondered what long-forgotten pop culture reference it was named after. Turns out that

  • A: The trope's name is derived from Tomato Surprise and
  • B: Both names come from a 1980 literary magazine that named the trope before the site did.

Tomato in the Mirror also has nearly four times as many inbounds across the site, which is... huh.

Edited by NesClassic on Dec 7th 2022 at 4:40:34 AM

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HoloMew151 Space Gal from From Deep, Deep Space Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Tweaking my holographic boyfriend
Space Gal
#13592: Dec 7th 2022 at 1:40:37 PM

[up][up] [up]I suppose it’s partially because it appeals to our interest in cataloguing stuff and perhaps allowing us to infodump in a way.

Edited by HoloMew151 on Dec 7th 2022 at 9:40:49 AM

FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#13593: Dec 7th 2022 at 1:45:22 PM

I'm not in the spectrum myself (at least, not that I know of) but I am gay, so the other half of what Amonimus said holds up.

NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#13594: Dec 7th 2022 at 1:54:27 PM

The amount of neurodivergence makes sense for the reasons Shiny explained, and I wanna say there's research about why a lot of LGBTQ+ folk tend to pick up "nerdy" hobbies and congregate in those spaces as well? So both those statistics line up with TvTropes' purpose of being a nerd site that catalogues storytelling devices.

Edited by NesClassic on Dec 7th 2022 at 4:55:13 AM

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#13595: Dec 7th 2022 at 4:13:53 PM

I just finished wick cleanup for the British English redirect of Aluminum Christmas Trees (i.e., Aluminium Christmas Trees) and I feel that you could make a drinking game out of the amount of examples that begin with the word "Yes" before listing the fact about the thing that's presumed fictional (e.g., "Yes, [thing] actually existed"), but is actually real. There's probably more where that came from since I haven't worked on the main American English page name yet (and I'm taking a break because my back and shoulder hurt).

(And for the record, the fact that I don't drink alcohol and don't intend to start means I won't actually play such a drinking game, and those who do drink alcohol would probably die if they tried.)

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 7th 2022 at 11:32:07 AM

I got a rock for Halloween.
AoeAbility Akarat bless you. from Personal Evil Tower of Ominousness Since: Mar, 2021 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
#13596: Dec 7th 2022 at 4:20:57 PM

I'm pretty sure it's a bigger trend than Egregious, since I know for sure this sort of potholing is a frequent trend, while I can't remember the last time someone on the wiki used the word "egregious", ironically or otherwise.

You keep using the term "POV". I do not think it means what you think it means.
Demetrios Lucky Seven from Des Plaines, Illinois (unfortunately) Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#13598: Dec 7th 2022 at 5:23:05 PM

[up]Yes.

[up][up]I recall "egregious" being used on a buttload of pages during the early years of the wiki, but that Running Gag became less popular later on (the page was either made in 2012 or moved from Main/ to JustForFun/ that year, and I'd say the word's usage decreased as the decade went on), so the Just for Fun page is kind of a relic from when its usage was more common. I'd say the sentence "You'll see this word used often, way too often, on this very wiki" on the JFF page adds to why it's kind of a relic, because I only see it occasionally, and almost every time I see it (if not every time), it links to the page for it instead of being plain text, which gives me the impression that people who still use it are aware it's a Running Gag.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 7th 2022 at 7:44:59 AM

I got a rock for Halloween.
techno156 from Lost in the wrong part of the internet (Private) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#13599: Dec 7th 2022 at 8:04:55 PM

RE: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13646132210A95550100&page=544#comment-13595

I never know what kind of English to use on the site. I had one of my edits later changed when someone was adding their own entry, because it used a non-US spelling of yoghurt (which seems like a lot of work for not much reward), but at the same time, the UK variant is also fairly common, and is generally inconsequential, but I digress.

[down] I think death of the author and all of that starts kicking in at this point, which means that it can be both a complete monster entry, and not be one at the same time.

Edited by techno156 on Dec 8th 2022 at 3:23:54 AM

m-95 SauaS GoodooG from my place of residence Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
SauaS GoodooG
#13600: Dec 7th 2022 at 8:10:37 PM

I find it somewhat interesting that on YMMV.The Turner Diaries, there's an entry for Designated Hero that's written almost exactly like a Complete Monster entry. All the way down to the little details like potholing a trope in the character's name. I feel like the person who wrote it did it on purpose, since it ends with "In any other story he would be an easy Complete Monster candidate but he's seen as the hero of mankind in this story".

It makes me wonder if a character can count as a Complete Monster if the author never even intended them to be evil. I would ask the CM thread out of curiosity, but ... you probably know what's going on with the CM thread at the moment.

    The entry in question (for reference) 
** Earl Turner himself is arguably one of the most horrible characters in fiction. Among his "exploits", he: is openly racist and antisemitic to the point of holocaust denial and claiming the Nuremberg trials were a Kangaroo Court, blows up an FBI building with a truck full of explosives, caves in the skulls of two 13-year old girls for "being sluts" (by that, he means just associating with a black man), murders the family of a sheriff who was on his tail, stands by his allies committing rape, willingly participates in the day of the rope and flies a plane into the Pentagon in a suicide attack, with his efforts all culminating in the entire world being bathed in nuclear fire and the complete genocide of all non-whites. In any other story he would be an easy Complete Monster candidate but he’s seen as the hero of mankind in this story.

Edited by m-95 on Dec 7th 2022 at 11:16:59 AM

JustForFun.How To Be An Anti Hero

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