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One thing I've noticed is that for all how the page for They Might Be Giants claims them to be the unofficial official band of this wiki, there's relatively few people on this site who seem to ever reference them.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 13th 2024 at 12:59:03 PM

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#12951: Nov 11th 2022 at 8:00:57 AM

From all the examples I've seen of Catharsis Factor, reading the trope page itself sounds almost completely different from what I thought the trope was. I thought it meant "being satisfied at a bad guy getting their comeuppance", but instead I see a video game trope of what gets off steam/is satisfying for players. I'm confused.

I thought TRS expanded it to include non-video game examples. I guess that kind of fell through. (There was a thread that I thought was supposed to be doing that, but I wasn't a mod at the time, and I'd rather start the effort from scratch it it came back to TRS, rather than bringing the old thread back, because the previous thread was started in 2019 and closed the following year.)

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 11th 2022 at 10:01:57 AM

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BlackFaithStar [Hiatus til March] from 🇲🇾 (UTC plus 8) (Less Newbie) Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
[Hiatus til March]
#12952: Nov 11th 2022 at 8:03:51 AM

Ah I see, I didn't think of checking for TRS threads. Thanks for the info.

Though I still think the description should reflect that change better if that's the case.

Edited by BlackFaithStar on Nov 12th 2022 at 12:04:55 AM

When you're alone I'm reaching out to let you know that you're far from strangers, like the savior
Demetrios Lucky Seven from Des Plaines, Illinois (unfortunately) Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Lucky Seven
#12953: Nov 11th 2022 at 8:09:05 AM

I just found out that Aluminum Christmas Trees is now a YMMV trope. Kind of feels like a Trivia one to me.

Come on! Let's bless them all until we get fershnickered!
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#12954: Nov 11th 2022 at 8:10:44 AM

Mind if I ask why? To me, it's pretty tied to Audience Reactions

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Demetrios Lucky Seven from Des Plaines, Illinois (unfortunately) Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Lucky Seven
#12955: Nov 11th 2022 at 8:15:42 AM

I'm not entirely sure why. ^_^;; Probably because of how finding out a fictional thing can be Real After All.

Come on! Let's bless them all until we get fershnickered!
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12956: Nov 11th 2022 at 8:16:51 AM

Whether or not it's surprising is YMMV, though. A work might feature some weird fish, and a layman might think "wow I didn't think fishes like that existed", but someone with a background in biology or aquatic ecology wouldn't find it surprising.

Edited by Synchronicity on Nov 11th 2022 at 10:17:10 AM

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#12957: Nov 11th 2022 at 8:36:25 AM

[up] Yeah exactly

Trying to dewick/disambig Shes Got Legs, and the worst thing is how many of the overly-detailed creepy examples don't have enough context for me to tell if they count as a disambig trope

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Archsage Professional Simp from My House Since: Apr, 2022 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Professional Simp
#12958: Nov 11th 2022 at 8:38:37 AM

I feel like a lot of the old/obscure pages tend to have a lot of grammatical errors + formatting issues

Best advice I ever got? Keep repeating the joke till everyone is forced to laugh.
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#12959: Nov 11th 2022 at 9:13:32 AM

Noticed this at You Can Keep Her!.

  • Police Tales[[note]]A collection of supposedly true unverifiable very short stories originating in FidoNet.[[/note]] by Nikolay Fyodorov, story 55. ...
I'm fascinated that the site somehow troped a work hosted from a very specific P-2-P parts of the The Alternet that I don't understand how it even operates.

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NitroIndigo ♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves from West Midlands region, England Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves
#12960: Nov 11th 2022 at 9:27:14 AM

Speaking of which, I never understood why Acceptable Targets was YMMV because most of the examples I've seen are about groups of people who are objectively bashed in the content of works.

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Professional Simp
#12961: Nov 11th 2022 at 9:28:54 AM

[up] I mean, some people may not see them as an acceptable target sooooooooo

Best advice I ever got? Keep repeating the joke till everyone is forced to laugh.
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#12962: Nov 11th 2022 at 10:41:36 AM

[up][up]Because during the early years of TRS, two or three people saw that Unacceptable Targets was YMMV and thought that meant Acceptable Targets should be as well and went ahead and added it to the YMMV index, regardless of how Acceptable Targets was actually being used. That's not an exaggeration, and Septimus might have added a link to the thread in question on the discussion page when he marathoned browsing the TRS Morgue for the sake of referencing TRS discussions on discussion pages.

Higher standards would mean that wouldn't slide today (we need at least ten votes, and a mod has to give the go-ahead to do it instead of changes being made whenever the thread wants), and I'd gladly support a thread that proposed making Acceptable Targets and the Acceptable [subject] Targets subtropes objective (and possibly merging the subtropes with the supertrope, but I don't have as strong of an opinion on that as making them objective). They're already NRLEP due to a previous thread that didn't quite work out; I think the issue with that thread is that the way we went about trying to make it objective was looking at it from the wrong angle (originally the proposal was to do so via making it IUEO, but then we overturned that after being unable to figure out what IUEO would mean for it... and I regret not proposing we keep the objective aspect even if we dropped the IUEO aspect).

[up]I don't think whether the audience (dis)agrees matters any more than the audience (dis)agreeing with the presence of a trope that's currently considered objective (such as a viewer's Pet-Peeve Trope being present in the work).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 11th 2022 at 12:49:41 PM

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Archsage Professional Simp from My House Since: Apr, 2022 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Professional Simp
#12963: Nov 11th 2022 at 10:49:56 AM

Isn't YMMV all about opinion tho? Some peoples opinion might be that its ok to make fun of... I dunno, vegans and others might not think so. Some might not care and some might care but barely.

Best advice I ever got? Keep repeating the joke till everyone is forced to laugh.
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It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000)
#12964: Nov 11th 2022 at 10:54:09 AM

I'm more concerned about the inevitable overlap with Take That! if the trope is made objective... And don't tell me that Take That! is for making fun of other media works, lol, if that was true then the subtropes would also be misuse and that's too far of a leap for me. tongue

Anyway, we do have this thread to discuss Acceptable Targets at.

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GastonRabbit MOD C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#12965: Nov 11th 2022 at 10:55:56 AM

I don't usually go on Trope Talk, but now that I know the thread exists, I'd say further discussion regarding Acceptable Targets should be taken there.

(Posted in mod mode to take the above suggestion to move discussion to Trope Talk and make it official.)

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 11th 2022 at 12:58:07 PM

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#12966: Nov 11th 2022 at 11:29:51 AM

The feeling of getting spoiled by following a page for ongoing work, though I knew the risks.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#12967: Nov 11th 2022 at 11:48:38 AM

A lot of editors seem to think that a Base-Breaking Character is more mild version of The Scrappy.

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Professional Simp
#12968: Nov 11th 2022 at 11:51:35 AM

I mean.... it kind of is

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It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000)
#12969: Nov 11th 2022 at 11:52:46 AM

Except it's not, a Base-Breaking Character is just someone the audience debates over, while The Scrappy is hated by a vast majority of fans. BBC's don't even need to be hated by anyone.

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Archsage Professional Simp from My House Since: Apr, 2022 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Professional Simp
#12970: Nov 11th 2022 at 11:56:20 AM

I suppose, but 90% of the time the reasons a character is base-breaking is because people either love them or hate them

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#12971: Nov 11th 2022 at 11:57:31 AM

Edit" NVM.

Edited by BackSet1 on Nov 11th 2022 at 2:57:50 PM

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#12972: Nov 11th 2022 at 11:59:55 AM

Typical Base-Breaking Character cases I see are the audience being polarized on how their ability/story arc was handled without saying that the character is disliked because of it.

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#12973: Nov 11th 2022 at 2:48:34 PM

([up]x7) oh I can definitely relate to that, I've been waiting years for Season 2 of BoBoiBoy Galaxy to get animated, and foresaw that maybe there'd be someone who is reading the BBBGLXS2 comics that I'm not buying. When it did start happening, however, I suppose I got indifferent to getting spoiled. The comics are gradually being updated online now but I'm not flocking to them to know what happens yet. Hm.

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#12974: Nov 11th 2022 at 8:17:31 PM

[up][up]The typical Base-Breaking Character misuse I see, though, is a lengthy paragraph - or several - outlining all the reasons the character sucks, with a token ("but some people like them") tacked on at the end. Which is what I think captainpat's original post was getting at.

Edited by nrjxll on Nov 11th 2022 at 10:17:51 AM

wingedcatgirl mys. minty from the silly dimension from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
mys. minty from the silly dimension
#12975: Nov 11th 2022 at 8:32:40 PM

Yeah, Base-Breaking Character and Broken Base both see frequent misuse as "the fandom is angry about something", with no regard to whether there's a disagreement.

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.

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