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One thing I've noticed is that for all how the page for They Might Be Giants claims them to be the unofficial official band of this wiki, there's relatively few people on this site who seem to ever reference them.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 13th 2024 at 12:59:03 PM

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#12551: Oct 30th 2022 at 4:44:18 PM

[up][up] Yeah that's a good approach. I'll keep that in mind once I embark on my Tropes Needing TRS Backlog Cleanup Project.

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#12552: Oct 30th 2022 at 4:45:03 PM

Yeah I scroll a lot so I get a decent variety of namespaces, and sometimes I do reject an example for something newer if it's the same context as a previous one. Like when I did Super OCD I got too many examples about Twilight Sparkle.

Also fun fact, my phone autocorrects namespaces to "names paces" instead of "name spaces."

Edited by mightymewtron on Oct 30th 2022 at 7:45:17 AM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
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#12553: Oct 30th 2022 at 4:46:21 PM

I tend to select a new wick if it's impossible for me to incorporate it. Such as if it's actually a massive example tree or something. I usually just pick the link above or below it to preserve the intent of my random scrolling.

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Lord Something, Forgetter of Cool Titles
#12554: Oct 30th 2022 at 6:18:56 PM

At Image Pickin', I always like to suggest more classic images like paintings and parts of classic works, like the one in Skeletal Tropes, both because it normally ensures it isn't a case of Fan Myopia and gives a more professional tone and because it is easier to find themtongue.

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#12555: Oct 30th 2022 at 6:38:58 PM

[up]Even though I don't participate on Image Pickin' much these days, I've participated in at least two threads that chose older public domain images. Political Cartoon's thread chose an old political cartoon partially because it wasn't copyrighted, partially because an in-universe one would be copyrighted and thus would have to be cropped before we could use it, and partially because a modern real life political cartoon might run afoul of the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment, and Death of the Author's thread chose a Visual Pun that happened to use an image that was old enough to no longer be copyrighted.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 30th 2022 at 10:34:55 AM

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#12556: Oct 30th 2022 at 7:08:51 PM

Public domain and ROCEJ are good reasons, and I prefer finding page images in art styles that the wiki doesn't draw from when possible, but the idea that classic art is "more professional" is its own kind of Fan Myopia.

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#12557: Oct 30th 2022 at 7:17:59 PM

Yeah, that's just another form of myopia. I like classic art and I think they illustrate a lot of tropes well. I don't think they are immune to bad illustration and myopia issues. When it comes to images; I don't care about the medium. I just want the image to be a clear illustration (and look good if possible).

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#12558: Oct 31st 2022 at 3:46:55 AM

I've been crosswicking a work page I made, and was surprised to see two tropes (King of the Dinosaurs and Our Mermaids Are Different) that already had an art folder.

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#12559: Oct 31st 2022 at 8:10:55 AM

I wonder how long it would take to read every single page on TVT.

CG for short
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#12560: Oct 31st 2022 at 8:14:10 AM

If assumed that every article would take exactly an hour, 71 years.

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#12561: Oct 31st 2022 at 8:23:05 AM

[up]×5 Of course, a good image is an illustrative image, it couldn't matter less nor should it matter where it comes from as long as it is clear, concise and fits with the description. I must've expressed myself badly, I meant that I like to suggest different styles to reinforce that some tropes are pretty old and can be used in a lot of situations. Sorry for the question, but what is ROCEJ though?

Edited by good-morning on Oct 31st 2022 at 12:29:57 PM

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#12562: Oct 31st 2022 at 8:31:00 AM

What is it with people coming into EB and trying to act like an Internet Tough Guy? Do people legitimately expect Fighteer be like "ah shit, you are too strong at ban evading, my only option is to let you get away with things"?

The idea that a wiki is a collaborative project that many people are working on together and that this requires cooperation shouldn't be all that difficult to grasp, surely?

... not to popcorn or anything, but like. This just completely baffles us. We don't underknow why this.

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
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#12563: Oct 31st 2022 at 8:32:41 AM

[up]Either they genuinely believe they can intimidate the mods, or they think getting bounced for aggression counts as a "win" somehow.

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#12564: Oct 31st 2022 at 8:33:46 AM

well they're angry about being suspended and need take it on someone,that's about it really

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#12565: Oct 31st 2022 at 8:41:18 AM

Looking it up, we don't have a formal definition of "Moments" pages, do we?

Moment of Awesome, Awesome Music, Heartwarming Moments, Funny Moments, Shocking Moments, Nightmare Fuel, Tear Jerker, Dethroning Moment of Suck, Fridge, has unique shared rules, but aren't grouped together anywhere as a term aside Spoilers Off and What Goes Where on the Wiki.

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#12566: Oct 31st 2022 at 8:44:17 AM

sub-type of YMMV.Home Page?

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#12567: Oct 31st 2022 at 8:45:52 AM

Sorry for the question, but what is ROCEJ though?

It's short for Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment.


Public domain and ROCEJ are good reasons, and I prefer finding page images in art styles that the wiki doesn't draw from when possible, but the idea that classic art is "more professional" is its own kind of Fan Myopia.

True to an extent. I remember when Image Pickin' decided the page image for Dark Messiah, I was rather ticked off that my suggestion — which was from an 18th-century political cartoon — didn't catch on. You're post is making me wonder if that's just me being biased towards James Gillray's art.

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#12568: Oct 31st 2022 at 9:01:25 AM

[1] I read the EB thread and the bad apples there are usually people who type essays completely missing what they were suspended for and instead address stuff that might have been the reason for their suspension(I remember one of them, not gonna say any names though) or those that simply are too dense to understand. If "typing a whole-ass essay saying that you're right" is your definition of Internet Tough Guy, then yeah, I can kind of see it.

Ban evaders usually try to play it cool and bring attention to another possible mistake or repeat that they're not bounced Troper X.

Checking in on this account after leaving the site, MAN that is a cringy forum post history. Daaamn. Never again.
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Everyone's friend Malamar
#12569: Oct 31st 2022 at 9:03:25 AM

[up]Most of the actual flame-outs get thumped and bounced really quick, so they're easy to miss.

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#12570: Oct 31st 2022 at 9:04:38 AM

Yeah, those are the rotten apples. One post and they're out. They only come once in a while, or if it was a particularly bad day for rule-breakers, one in a batch. I'm usually not online to see them though.

Edited by CardboardBot on Oct 31st 2022 at 7:05:21 PM

Checking in on this account after leaving the site, MAN that is a cringy forum post history. Daaamn. Never again.
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#12571: Oct 31st 2022 at 9:05:42 AM

I just noticed that YMMV pages aren't blue anymore.

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#12572: Oct 31st 2022 at 9:07:11 AM

Now every page is blue. Clearly an improvement.

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#12574: Oct 31st 2022 at 9:18:05 AM

As in, YMMV pages used to have a dark blue background, but now they're the same colour as main.

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
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#12575: Oct 31st 2022 at 9:20:51 AM

They look the same to me as archived versions from 2020.

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