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One thing I've noticed is that for all how the page for They Might Be Giants claims them to be the unofficial official band of this wiki, there's relatively few people on this site who seem to ever reference them.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 13th 2024 at 12:59:03 PM

themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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#12526: Oct 30th 2022 at 12:20:06 PM

Oh crap sorry. Didn’t realize that my post was off topic. I apologize.

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#12527: Oct 30th 2022 at 12:23:20 PM

[up]It wasn't off-topic, though. That's why I said "aside from the post directly above [the mod post]".

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themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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#12528: Oct 30th 2022 at 12:24:22 PM

[up] Oh whoops. I think I misinterpreted what “aside from” meant.

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#12529: Oct 30th 2022 at 12:41:18 PM

@ Wick Checks:

I used to do mine the time-consuming and headache-inducing way of randomizing a list of numbers, copy and pasting the entire list into a separate document, deleting any non-wicks, numbering the list, and then very slowly scrolling down to each number I had to check. It was obnoxious. Now I pick them randomly from the related page itself, and it's a lot more fun / less frustrating.

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#12530: Oct 30th 2022 at 12:45:13 PM

[up]I do it the way you used to do it, but then again, I didn't do any wick checks until earlier this year, so maybe it's a matter of finding a better way to do it after spending a while doing it.

Though in my case, I don't need to manually number the list because the text editors I use (I use Kate on Linux, which is my primary OS, and I use Notepad++ if I'm using Windows) automatically show the line numbers. I just take the wick from that line and copy and paste it into a sandbox (without removing it from the wick list to keep the numbering intact) once I get to it after scrolling through the list.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 30th 2022 at 2:49:21 PM

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#12531: Oct 30th 2022 at 12:51:57 PM

I clone the Related tab into N++, shuffle, leave top 50, remove spaces to make wikiwords, paste into a sandbox, copypaste respective examples, and sort whenever I have the time.

I could do all that in Autohotkey, but I don't make wick checks that often to bother.

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#12532: Oct 30th 2022 at 12:52:39 PM

I also discovered a third way, which is to just randomize the list itself and use the wicks that come to the top.

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FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#12533: Oct 30th 2022 at 1:06:10 PM

[up] Yes, I thought of that after the fact. Useful for next time.

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#12534: Oct 30th 2022 at 1:08:10 PM

The main problem is that longer lists have to be randomized in batches, at least with the site I use. But oh well.

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#12535: Oct 30th 2022 at 1:09:21 PM

[up][up] That's the way I did the only wick check I've done recently. The part that felt slowest was formatting the links to actually work and remove namespace headings after copying the Related page to the sandbox.

Edited by Noaqiyeum on Oct 30th 2022 at 8:09:54 AM

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FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#12536: Oct 30th 2022 at 1:12:32 PM

[up] If you're using the randomizer, you don't need to remove the headings, you can just skip them.

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#12537: Oct 30th 2022 at 1:25:20 PM

[up]I remove them with the way I've been doing it so the lines are numbered correctly. Might not be necessary with other methods, though.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 30th 2022 at 3:26:42 AM

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#12538: Oct 30th 2022 at 1:30:25 PM

I think I felt obliged to remove the headings because they made the sandbox ugly.

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#12539: Oct 30th 2022 at 1:35:22 PM

lol

I do enjoy Wick Checks even though they can be tedious. There's something about the mystery of what's behind each link that gets me, especially if it's a work I've never heard of before.

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#12540: Oct 30th 2022 at 1:41:14 PM

I actually thought randomizing was the easy way haha. I used pick random wicks for my wicks checks for years but now I just use the randomizer, dump text into a sandboxes and work on the wick check every other day.

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HoloMew151 Space Gal from From Deep, Deep Space Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Tweaking my holographic boyfriend
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#12541: Oct 30th 2022 at 2:36:29 PM

I need to do start doing wick checks. Might start with just those tropes which are starving. Pull the Plug on the Title definitely needs a look at.

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#12542: Oct 30th 2022 at 2:45:37 PM

I'm probably going to be doing many more wick checks in the future—as I said on the wick check thread, I am embarking on the Herculean task of wick checking every single trope on Tropes Needing TRS (that doesn't have one already) over a long period of time to clear out the massive backlog like we did with Pages Needing IP.

It'll be long and brutal, but I think in the end it will be 100% worth it.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Oct 30th 2022 at 5:46:03 AM

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#12544: Oct 30th 2022 at 2:53:55 PM

My wick check process usually takes two hours, unless I start it and abandon it quickly. I close my eyes and randomly click on links to sort.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#12545: Oct 30th 2022 at 4:13:13 PM

[up]problem with doing it that way is you don't ensure a wide spread of namespaces, which i usually try to do when im checking to make sure the problem is widespread and not confined to a single medium.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#12546: Oct 30th 2022 at 4:24:23 PM

I observe that now that this thread is no longer the observations thread, I keep scrolling past it tongue

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#12547: Oct 30th 2022 at 4:28:52 PM

[up][up][up] That's how I do it. Chloe's right though, I often end up checking not that many namespaces by accident, although there's also the additional problem that many namespaces end up being entirely potholes that lack context.

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#12548: Oct 30th 2022 at 4:33:24 PM

Eh, no-context potholes are as much a usage as anything, so I don't see the issue there. If there's enough, they can prove that the trope is being shoehorned or something.

I agree that namespace variance is an issue, so I do try and spring for some less common ones when I have the chance, but...

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 30th 2022 at 7:34:01 AM

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ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#12549: Oct 30th 2022 at 4:34:08 PM

[up][up]honestly i try to skip those namespaces entirely. that's why my wick checks never have wicks from Main/ in them.

the media examples are where the problem is, so the media examples are what i look at.

Edited by ChloeJessica on Oct 30th 2022 at 4:34:18 AM

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#12550: Oct 30th 2022 at 4:42:18 PM

[up] For both my wick checks, I've used the "close eyes, scroll randomly, select" method, but I also tend to reselect if I hit the same namespace more than twice or so.


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