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One thing I've noticed is that for all how the page for They Might Be Giants claims them to be the unofficial official band of this wiki, there's relatively few people on this site who seem to ever reference them.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 13th 2024 at 12:59:03 PM

BackSet1 I <3 Zinnia from I'm sure you'd love to know that, wouldn't you? (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#7751: Jul 9th 2022 at 11:08:09 AM

I think if your description is just two sentences that don't make sense, as is the case with Catch-Phrase Spouting Duo, and you don's have enough examples to warrant folders despite being around since 2013 you might have a problem.

I actually did my own (amateur) wick check in preparation for an article I guess I won't be writing and there's 48 wicks total which are mostly ZCE (some of which are commented out) or give the catchphrases but not who says them and even with ones I think are the correct usage I'm not sure because the Trope is poorly defined.

Edit: Oof, super ninja'd.

Edited by BackSet1 on Jul 9th 2022 at 2:08:33 PM

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#7752: Jul 9th 2022 at 11:09:40 AM

Oh, sure, but if the thread is being stalled because of the lack of a wick check, the obvious solution is to do the wick check in the first place, if you catch my drift.

Anyway, as for Common Knowledge... Yeah, I'm stumped.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 9th 2022 at 2:10:10 PM

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BackSet1 I <3 Zinnia from I'm sure you'd love to know that, wouldn't you? (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
I <3 Zinnia
#7753: Jul 9th 2022 at 11:11:00 AM

But since I did do a Wick Check is it allowed to sub in for somebody who didn't?

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#7755: Jul 9th 2022 at 11:12:01 AM

Dang,a broken note was hiding the entire page!

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#7756: Jul 9th 2022 at 11:12:03 AM

[up][up][up] Maybe? There's really no rules about this sort of thing.

[up][up] + [up] I Knew It!. I knew there was a broken note somewhere!

Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 9th 2022 at 2:12:43 PM

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#7757: Jul 9th 2022 at 11:30:44 AM

Whoops, there was a broken note. My bad.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#7758: Jul 9th 2022 at 11:32:38 AM

I was convinced it was wonky commented out mark up at the top

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Time to SLEEP
#7759: Jul 9th 2022 at 1:10:24 PM

Broken notes work really oddly in this site. I see broken notes on pages way too often, which are always caused by a previous note being improperly formatted or missing the end tag.

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#7760: Jul 9th 2022 at 3:22:45 PM

About misremembering the exact wording of a quote: this happened a lot to Walter Scott. He would put a quote before every chapter in his novels, and while they are all valid paraphrases, but most change the wording. It tended to happen in a time before word searches, when most people had to quote from memory. It just shows that he had a very good memory for meaning but not for words; these sorts of distorted recall have actually been investigated by neurologists to understand how we form memories.

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#7761: Jul 9th 2022 at 3:26:22 PM

That's how Beam Me Up, Scotty! type stuff happens, right? (Someday that trope will be renamed I know it)

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#7762: Jul 9th 2022 at 3:26:52 PM

And likely Mandela Effect stuff too.

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#7763: Jul 9th 2022 at 3:34:43 PM

Unrelated, I wonder what the most frequently misused Tropes us. My bet is either Action Girl or Deadpan Snarker.

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#7764: Jul 9th 2022 at 3:36:52 PM

My money is on Big Bad, tbh, as discussed previously.

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#7765: Jul 9th 2022 at 4:24:50 PM

The most misused trope used to be Adult Fear, but thankfully that got dealt with.

Tbh I never really hated his minigames in the original, but they did make them better in the remake.
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#7766: Jul 9th 2022 at 4:28:14 PM

To be fair, Adult Fear's problem wasn't misuse, but the fact that it was being used somehow both too narrowly and too broadly at the same time.

(Evidence: I'm the one who did the wick check)

Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 9th 2022 at 7:28:32 AM

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#7767: Jul 9th 2022 at 4:29:02 PM

Ah yes, "got dealt with"

Edited by BackSet1 on Jul 9th 2022 at 7:29:20 AM

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#7768: Jul 9th 2022 at 4:30:23 PM

Adult Fear was scaring the children and was given a ticket to a farm upstate

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#7769: Jul 9th 2022 at 4:42:37 PM

It was literally being used for "any time a bad thing happens to a child", even if said thing is impossible in real life, and also given the impression that the only thing you're allowed to be scared of if you're an adult is bad things happening to children.

Tbh I never really hated his minigames in the original, but they did make them better in the remake.
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Lucky Seven
#7770: Jul 9th 2022 at 4:50:55 PM

Not only does Deadpan Snarker have a very high count of usage, I must say I'm not a big fan of the page image for it. ^_^;; Sheesh, lady, just take the nice gesture. >.>

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#7771: Jul 9th 2022 at 5:04:23 PM

[up][up] Oh, I know. It's just that the trope never actually disallowed those examples.

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#7772: Jul 9th 2022 at 5:07:55 PM

I remember when Loads And Loads Of Characters got wick checked there were 0 correct uses in the wick check.

The most misused proportionally was probably Gang Of Critters, which also had 0 correct uses in its wick check. Problem was, all wicks were checked. Literally every use off-page was wrong.

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#7773: Jul 9th 2022 at 5:19:48 PM

Re: The Tropes Are Tools discussion:

There was an Administrivia page (I forgot which one) that said work pages shouldn't contain snark, except for works that don't use tropes well. The Outdated Administrivia Pages thread (as it's now known; it was still called the Outdated Pages thread at the time) came to the conclusion that the "except for works that don't use tropes well" part flew in the face of both Tropes Are Tools and Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, so I removed it per discussion. (I wasn't a mod at the time; I removed it based on agreement within the thread.)

Edit: I checked the history of Administrivia.Tropes Are Tools and found out that the removal in question was on the very page that is supposed to be saying that tropes are neither bad nor good, to the point of having Tropes Are Not Bad and Tropes Are Not Good as redirects. No regrets on that removal. (Also, between what I said about not being a mod at the time and the discussion that led to the removal, I kind of find it amusing looking back at the discussion and seeing people mistakenly thinking that the page was locked and needed to have changes run past a mod, only for me to point out that it isn't locked and make the change myself before I had the ability to edit locked pages.)

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 2nd 2022 at 3:57:08 AM

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#7774: Jul 9th 2022 at 6:36:47 PM

[up]x4 Based on the fact that she's blushing and actively avoiding eye contact as she's being rude, I'm detecting high levels of tsundere here. Never read the comic, though, so I couldn't tell you for sure.

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#7775: Jul 9th 2022 at 7:00:16 PM

Misuse can come from editors just taking the trope name at face value and not simply reading the article, but also from descriptions that are unclear, contradictory, or needlessly narrow. A long discussion on the Chickification page notes that there are three conflicting definitions: woman becomes less of a fighter and is used more as someone to be saved, becomes more feminine whatever her status as a fighter, or has less agency on the plot again regardless of skills. (And it's still there.)

I remember that back around 2010, many uses of Aloof Big Brother amounted to a big brother who was aloof for whatever reason, when the description is narrower, that he is better in most areas than the protagonist. (And back then most were ZCEs...) Not sure if that has changed, I should make a wick check, but I suspect it's a trope that was widely linked because misused in this way, it padded out Characters pages and many editors seem to want that.

Also, there's no way Beam Me Up, Scotty! will be renamed. It's a memetic phrase that is not simply known far beyond those who have watched the whole show, it is known because most don't bother watching the whole show.

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