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ssjSega Since: Sep, 2017
#81626: Jul 6th 2025 at 11:40:19 AM

Okay, so, this was recently added to Unintentionally Unsympathetic, and I have to ask if it's warranted:


  • While Volume 5 tries to frame a random restaurant owner as someone to feel sorry for as he slowly realizes that a huntsman who owes him money may be dead, it's quickly shot down by Qrow standing outside that same restaurant where there's a very clear sign saying "No Faunus allowed".

Because the main thing is that, as a YMMV trope, I'm pretty sure enough people within the fandom have to actually discuss or make note about a character or story beat for a YMMV entry to be valid. Like how a Broken Base entry requires the fandom to be going back and forth on something in the series for several months on end.

Part of why I'm unsure about this entry stems from the simple fact that this guy is a minor, nameless character that appears for one scene and never again. And as far as I've seen, no one talks about this character at all, which makes any entry about him on a YMMV page suspect because... are enough people talking about him to really warrant an entry?

RandomFanOfStuff Still trying to fix the Wi-Fi from somewhere I probably shouldn't be rn Since: Nov, 2017
Still trying to fix the Wi-Fi
#81627: Jul 6th 2025 at 12:10:19 PM

Never got the impression myself that the Piccolo-pitched bartender was meant to be "sympathetic" beyond knowing a person Qrow's after. Just doing business when he enters and is ready to stab Qrow the moment he mentions knowing the guy who owes money. The background racist sign just adds to his shadiness and hostility more than dampening an attempt of empathy. Qrow paying off the 'debt' is out of respect to his dead friend, not this bloke.

It's questionable whether he was even being truthful about the amount Shiro owed him.

And that's the most I've ever put thought into the dude past noticing Lani voicing him.

Edited by RandomFanOfStuff on Jul 6th 2025 at 8:12:26 PM

Welp, add that to the list of Terrible Ideas That I Knew Were Terrible Ideas But Did Anyway...
ssjSega Since: Sep, 2017
#81628: Jul 6th 2025 at 2:22:47 PM

[up]I didn't even know until now that Lani voiced the guy.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
GhidorahUltima Machine Gun Massacre from Californ-i-aaaay! Since: Apr, 2023 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Machine Gun Massacre
#81630: Jul 8th 2025 at 2:54:57 AM

Yes! V10 is in the works! I'm guessing it's going to be something like V7 but for Vacuo- gathering in the new place, interacting with the refugees and Vacuans, fighting Grimm and Crownsmen, all that jazz. I'm guessing the Summer Maiden is going to be something of a mentor to the other Maidens, and I'm hoping the Relic of Destruction gets used early.

[up]Deleted that Unintentionally Unsympathetic example because there's no attempt made to frame the character as sympathetic when he literally threatens Qrow with a knife.

Tiiiick tock... goes the clock... and all the years....
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#81631: Jul 8th 2025 at 3:24:28 AM

Why are the trope pages for this series such a hot mess. Seriously, what is it about this series in particular that attracts bad faith takes like flies to honey?

Edited by M84 on Jul 8th 2025 at 6:24:59 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#81632: Jul 8th 2025 at 4:00:47 AM

[up] I think the perception that a work is "bad" can lead people to interpreting everything about it in a negative light.

Nach jeder Ebbe kommt die Flut.
Chavez1127 Since: Feb, 2021
#81633: Jul 8th 2025 at 4:11:03 AM

There’s definitely a common (and asinine) attitude that if a work is disliked or “bad” by someone’s standards, then EVERYTHING about it must be awful and deserves to be trashed and hated. In part, that’s because hating on unpopular works has become cool and trendy, so making up flaws and issues to bash is common just to join the hate bandwagon and prove how trendy the critic is.

GhidorahUltima Machine Gun Massacre from Californ-i-aaaay! Since: Apr, 2023 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Machine Gun Massacre
#81634: Jul 8th 2025 at 4:52:24 AM

It's mostly just a couple of people who spend an inordinate amount of time fixated on posting as many negative things about the show everywhere. I don't know why- maybe they think that if they post enough bad takes, they'll "win" over Miles and Kerry. But even though it might seem like a whole bunch of people, it's really not.

There are a handful who pop up now and then, and I think they mainly come from r/RWBY Critics. Not a lot of other shows out there have entire subreddits devoted to picking apart every inch of them for flaws.

Tiiiick tock... goes the clock... and all the years....
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#81635: Jul 8th 2025 at 5:29:58 AM

In the early days, a couple famous critics literally asked their fans to vandalize our pages, which didn't help.

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
Musician/Composer
#81636: Jul 8th 2025 at 5:34:25 AM

Plus that's one of the reasons why it is on Sandbox.Works That Require Cleanup Of Complaining sandbox page.

Not too long ago, we did create a cleanup thread, but it hasn't been active at the moment.

Edited by gjjones on Jul 8th 2025 at 8:39:54 AM

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
Psyga315 Since: Jan, 2001
#81637: Jul 8th 2025 at 7:50:14 AM


This post was thumped by the Stick of Post Thumping

GoSweetToday The Contract Freeloader from New York Since: Aug, 2024 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
The Contract Freeloader
#81638: Jul 8th 2025 at 8:09:20 PM

Yeah, whether it be fanart, merch, games, anything the cast does, or comparisons to unrelated works, the fine thin line between criticism and complaining blurs. It's telling that the Saltier Than Crait redditors have better manners.

Sometimes the risk is worth taking before the fall.
Freshwater Since: Apr, 2023
#81639: Jul 8th 2025 at 8:23:05 PM

If nothing else, I am sincerely glad that RWBY exists and will get another volume. For me, it has been directly and indirectly a wonderful source of entertainment for years. I love the ascetics, music, characters, and world.

GhidorahUltima Machine Gun Massacre from Californ-i-aaaay! Since: Apr, 2023 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Machine Gun Massacre
#81640: Jul 9th 2025 at 8:35:24 PM

test

Tiiiick tock... goes the clock... and all the years....
RandomFanOfStuff Still trying to fix the Wi-Fi from somewhere I probably shouldn't be rn Since: Nov, 2017
Still trying to fix the Wi-Fi
#81641: Jul 10th 2025 at 5:07:47 AM

Test?

Welp, add that to the list of Terrible Ideas That I Knew Were Terrible Ideas But Did Anyway...
jouXIII The One Who Knows Many Things from Between the Multiverses (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
GoSweetToday The Contract Freeloader from New York Since: Aug, 2024 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
The Contract Freeloader
#81643: Jul 10th 2025 at 9:41:57 AM

Test...

Sometimes the risk is worth taking before the fall.
Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#81644: Jul 10th 2025 at 3:31:03 PM

Test

Bow to the Prototype
MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#81645: Jul 11th 2025 at 7:33:47 AM

Hearing everybody say "Test" is giving me flashbacks to Horizon in the Middle of Nowhere.

Nach jeder Ebbe kommt die Flut.
GhidorahUltima Machine Gun Massacre from Californ-i-aaaay! Since: Apr, 2023 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Machine Gun Massacre
#81646: Jul 14th 2025 at 1:50:44 PM

Oops. Didn't mean to inspire that response.

Edited by GhidorahUltima on Jul 14th 2025 at 3:51:06 AM

Tiiiick tock... goes the clock... and all the years....
gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
Musician/Composer
#81647: Jul 29th 2025 at 8:05:08 PM

Given what Raven Branwen has done throughout the series, I have a question: which of her flaws (if any) do you find very interesting in general?

Edited by gjjones on Jul 29th 2025 at 11:18:17 AM

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#81648: Jul 29th 2025 at 8:19:21 PM

Raven literally hides behind somebody weaker to protect herself.

She can go to see her daughter literally any time she wants but doesn't.

Yes, she's a coward and a terrible person in general.

Nach jeder Ebbe kommt die Flut.
gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
Musician/Composer
#81649: Jul 29th 2025 at 8:26:20 PM

While I can agree Raven's a terrible and flawed person (being a Dirty Coward and all) and has a strained relationship with her relatives (such as Yang and Qrow), I don't think she's a Hate Sink by any means.

Edited by gjjones on Jul 29th 2025 at 11:31:06 AM

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#81650: Jul 29th 2025 at 9:08:30 PM

Even Summer didn't have much patience for Raven in that last flashback. Though she apparently still trusted Raven enough to bring her along for whatever that fateful mission was.

Raven's not the worst person in RWBY, but you can see why the people who were once closest to her aren't all that pleased with her now.

Edited by M84 on Jul 30th 2025 at 12:09:38 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised

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