Okay, I've got a couple of posts to catch up on because real life. Including Rebel's timeline post here
, which I haven't had a chance to read until now. I've used folders just to take up less space on the forum page.
I still wouldn't mind knowing where the creators confirmed they'd recanted the 6-8 month timeskip, as I haven't been able to find that. it's not that I don't believe people, it's just that I've missed some information somewhere and would like to catch up on it for myself.
I've had huge issues with Ruby's age jumping from 15 to 17 by the beginning of Volume 6, especially since the creators also stated that Oscar's supposed to be only 2 years younger than Ruby and yet, at the end of Volume 6, Oscar is confirmed to still be 14.
Oscar still being 14 at the end of V6 makes sense for what we can figure out from the timeline. Ruby's age being 17 does not (because she's either still 16 or she's actually 18, depending on how we shove Hallowe'en into the story).
I think you and I are more or less looking at the flow of time in the same way. I think the major exception is how long it takes RNJR to travel on foot and the same for Blake.
The ship travel is also problematic because, while Reality Is Unrealistic allows for Yang covering RNJR's walking distance in only a couple of days, what she can't speed up is the ship's journey time. And, of course, it'll be different to Blake's journey time since she and Yang were heading for different continents (so, Blake would almost certainly be on the ship for longer and the captain's typical route is likely to be Vale to Mistral then down to Menagerie, and there will probably be a couple of ports around Vale and Mistra's coastline that he docks at along the way).
All we know is that her ship voyage was long because the captain lampshaded that.
So, I think those are the areas we diverge the most — the bits where it's so vague that we could explore any given timespan we want without too much trouble. That area aside, I think we're more or less in line with each other.
Either way, we clearly agree that there's no way CFVY could have been at Beacon for a year.
Or maybe that's a discussion page thing, I'm not sure.
We could sandbox the World of Remnant page, but I'm not sure there's much point. We don't normally do that for things like Amity Arena or Grimm Eclipse. I think we can just add each story as a folder under the Myths section of the page.
My recommendation is that we just keep the Silver Eyed Warriors section separate from the fairy tales for now until we've seen all the fairy tales. After all, it's entirely possible (and I know at least one poster to this thread is going to double-take at me suggesting this) we may need an 'In General' section by the time we've read the full book. I say that because of Ozpin's foreword, the content of which creates the possibility for some 'generic' troping of Remnant's approach to fairy tales. We'll have to see, however. I certainly don't recommend an 'In General' folder right now.
On Team SSSN:
I've always felt going into a meditative stance is what Sun's doing when he calls forth his clones, but the novel indicating he has difficulty controlling them makes sense for what we see in the show. It also makes sense for what the creators said about the design of Sun: Sun was supposed to be a counterpart to Blake, so they gave him clones that functioned in the opposite way to hers. His are light, her's are shadow. He stands still while his clones move, her clones stand still while she moves. His clones are active, her clones are passive.
You hit on I point I was thinking about when I concluded the tree might be connected to the Domain of Light. I don't know the Saiyuki manga so I can't make that connection. However, I was thinking of the Monkey King's Buddhist origins and connections, so we're hitting the same sort of concept albeit via different routes.
I do like your theory that the reason he was the only one who saw the tree was because it was a manifestation of his soul and that's the link to his Semblance. That would also explain the gold tint: it was promise of the Light he would one day produce when creating his clones.
And, of course, he's a monkey Faunus, so of course it's a tree. :)
Yeah, I get the distinct feeling there's going to be an exploration of the concept of leadership in this novel — both from the perspective of the leaders and their followers. I suspect this is where Theodore and Rumpole will come into play, they'll be part of that exploration. Something that might thematically be related to the Badge and the Burden.
This is Ozpin we're talking about. I suspect it's both.
We were getting shades of this and hints of it in the first novel; both that novel and the preview of this one indicates that Coco is extremely bothered by the fact that Shade only regards a team as being as good as their last mission, forcing teams to constantly prove themselves just to stay on top. The indications have been there that she doesn't just want to reach the top, she doesn't want to keep having to constantly proving her right to be considered a top student. That shouldn't be taken as an interpretation that she wants to be able to rest on her laurels, because it doesn't come across that way: it's that she thinks there's such a thing as being forced to prove yourself too much, and she's really concerned about their ability to sustain that in the way Shade keeps demanding. It's making her feel threatened and possibly even a bit besieged, and is making her over-competitive and judgemental as a result. Sun's laid-back, undisciplined approach to things is jarring with her sense of how she feels they have to function at Shade just to get on, and it's making her feel insecure.
That's the sense I've been getting from the first book and these preview chapters. The problem is that Team CFVY were out in the desert for the first book, so all we had were hints because there were no other teams to interact with them for us to see it in action. And the preview has Team SSSUN jarring with her insecurities in the preview. It's part of why I think there's going to be a big leadership theme going on in this book: when it comes to image, Sun cares too little and Coco cares too much; they each need to rub off onto the other to become better leaders and people.
I think most of us have been expecting that to occur at some point for years. I've always approached it from the Fairy Godmother angle. At some point, Cinder will hit 'midnight' and Salem will call back the parasite, and Cinder will suddenly find herself powerless. As I've said in the past, I don't know if it'll be a case that the parasite can shut off Cinder's access to the Maiden power without having to leave her body, or whether it has to entirely leave, but I like the idea that Salem can issue a warning to Cinder about just how dependent upon Salem for Maiden power Cinder really is — she doesn't realise yet that she's not a real Maiden; as soon as Salem shows her that the parasite is the only reason Cinder has Maiden power and that she controls the parasite Grimm, not Cinder, Cinder's going to realise just how powerless and stuck in Salem's shadow she really is.
At that point, I expect Cinder's attitude towards Salem will completely change, given that this is the very opposite of being strong, powerful and feared.
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Oooh... preview pages. I... really wasn't expecting us to have the Relic of Choice dumped on us like this. Okay, from what we see:
- The Indecisive King
- Ozpin notes! I was really hoping we'd see these.
- The pig scenario seems like it's a Wisdom of Solomon discussion (but with a pig with a baby). Except the Widow appears to be deconstructing the scenario rather than thinking it's a good scenario to create. She appears to be deconstructing it to indicate that the Crown is a very dangerous Relic to use.
- So, both the King and the Widow have been suicidal and each brought the other out of their funk with the exact same advice.
- The King clearly hates the Crown and its power. And, it seems, feels trapped or bound by the power. Addicted, perhaps? Too afraid not to use it in case he makes a mistake, he has become haunted by it as a result and sees only a terrible fate for himself (or perhaps caused by himself for others). Either way, the tale seems to be about how too much knowledge can become a curse.
- The wisdom of the Widow (I knew there was going to be a 'wise woman is future Good Queen' romance in there somewhere) appears to be for him to stop relying on the Crown and to learn to trust his instincts and his own abilities. In which case, that's what the pig scenario is deconstructing: how do you make a decision by yourself if you've relied too much on something else to help you decide and suddenly you're deprived of that thing that helps you decide? You become paralysed, you don't know what to do. You become indecisive.
- It would appear that the King is afraid of making mistakes.... thereby is making the biggest one of all: relying on the Crown too much.
- I'm not getting a King of Vale vibe from this part of the tale. Which is good because the King of Vale feels too recent to become a fairy tale.
- My guess is that the fun picture of the skeleton on the throne is the vision that the Crown shows him that they're discussing the consequences of.
Show relevance:
I can already see things in the show that are connected to this tale (at least the part we can see:
- Ozpin's speech on the first day school: that stark warning about relying on knowledge to 'free them' being wrong, that they must learn that knowledge can only do so much and the first step has to be made them.
- Ozpin's anniversary speech to the students just before they begin their missions: he tells them to do their very best, which is an echo of the Widow's advice here.
- This tale and The Man Who Stared at the Sun may be linked. That tale begins with a man whom the Sun feels cannot take responsibility for his own mistakes. This tale seems to be about a man who is too afraid to make mistakes and therefore needs to learn how to make mistakes and how to take responsibility for those mistakes. Professor Ozpin has no problem admitting to mistakes or taking responsibility for them — indeed, he's gone too far the other way and is taking the blame even for things that are not his mistakes to own.
- This tale is a big giant red flag over why Ozpin has such a problem with sharing 'too much' knowledge with people. We've already been discussing, ever since that episode in V6, about Ozpin's experiences that could lead him to a point where he feels he cannot share knowledge freely with others, even his closest allies. But this fairy tale adds a new dimension; the Relic of Choice itself has been part of that journey of him reaching the conclusion that too much knowledge is a dangerous thing and people need to be fed it in... manageable ways to avoid becoming paralysed.
- There are lots of vine patterns going on, not just in decorating the page, but decorating the throne, too. Ozma, of course, is all about the vines. But the pattern is actually more in line with the pattern on Ironwood's guns. Something I'm finding a little interesting since Ironwood's situation might actually be akin to this King's situation in the tale: burdened by too much knowledge, how do you make a decision that doesn't lead you to a cursed end? What is the right or best decision to make if the only thing you see in the future is disaster? It's Volume 7, but on a much greater scale. It's complete paralysis and absolute despair.
- Ozpin's note: pretty much tells us how he feels about the dangers of having too much knowledge and also hints that this tale is a warning to anyone who wants to use the Relics: they maybe powerful, but they all come with a sting in the the tail. But also his most important advice (the moral of the tale 'keep living'): no matter how bad things get, never give up. Sometimes, decisions can seem so overwhelming that it can feel like there's no point in living any more — I'm not just talking about suicide or throwing everything away including your own life, I'm also talking about people who have stopped living and simply exist — something that Ironwood's plan for Atlas is actually proposing: he's given up trying to do something about Salem so wishes to raise Atlas to escape the Grimm, where Atlesians will continue... but will simply continue to exist. They won't really be living the full lives they're capable of, they'll just exist within an isolated bubble of their own making.
- The image of the crown sketched into Ozpin's notes is the Relic of Choice. It fits the appearance (and the hints of square jewels) of the Relic in Jinn's vision. That's quite cheeky of him... but it emphasises the sense that this fairy tale really is a warning for anyone who knows about the Relics. Especially this Relic.
- The Grimm Child
- Two children, Poppy and Oak. Brother and sister.
- Playing near a dangerous forest: the sister is the reckless one, the brother is more cautious.
- There's a dare going on, and the brother is about to be 'forced' to go into the forest as part of that dare.
Show relevance
There's not a lot to go on with this one yet. Although the dynamic between the two children is a little different, this reminds me of the real life fairy tale of the Snow Queen: the one where the little girl and boy are good friends until, one day, a shard from the Snow Queen's broken mirror ends up in the little boy's eye. It makes his heart grow cold until he belongs to the Snow Queen. He lives with her until the little girl goes on a big adventure to save him, which she eventually does.
If there's any similarity here, that would suggest that the little boy is going to become separated from his sister by the Grimm, found by Salem and raised by her. As a result, he becomes a different person to Poppy who eventually becomes the one to 'save' him. The moral of the tale being how positive emotions can overcome the Grimm. The story is also listed as 'traditional', which likely means it's so old and widespread a tale, it can't be attributed to any person. If so, perhaps it's even about that time when Humanity Revised was back, but prior to Ozma's first reincarnation... so this story could be based on the time when Salem was that scary witch who was living in the forest all alone.
I've had a theory for some time that if negative emotions attract the Grimm and Ren 'neutralising' emotions make people 'invisible' to the Grimm, then positive emotions must repel the Grimm. Certainly what Maria has taught Ruby about the silver eyes appears to be related to this in some fashion: the silver eyes effectively weaponise positive feelings about life itself to produce the Light that kills the Grimm.
If so, this might be a rallying tale, one that teaches people to fight the darkness with hope and love and positive emotions.
Of course, it could end up being one of those fairy tales that ends horribly. But right now, I'm going with the Snow Queen theme and thinking it's a child who becomes Grimm-like and is saved by love.
Pretty much my conclusion as well. Like you, the first thing that occurred to me when I saw the way she's been depicted in the artwork was that there was similarities to the two children of Ozventor, whose children had curly hair and a similar complexion.
I always thought there was something poignant about him as he was preparing the cane as an old man. It was obvious in the scene that he knew his time was ending and he was preparing the cane to be found by his successor. But it did raise the question of where his family was at that stage of his life, especially as that was the part of the tale where Jinn showed us that he always felt Salem's nearness, and used Grimm attacking the village to emphasise that.
I didn't automatically conclude that she was a daughter or granddaughter of him. That's because the story gave me the sense that the hunting of the silver eyes was established by that point. So, I feel the lineage may have been a bit further developed than that — not that much further, still the early days of the silver eyes.
What interests me is why this is the story that Glynda's accredited for. Qrow told Ruby that his knowledge of silver eyes came from Ozpin — or strongly implied that, at any rate. It therefore could be that Glynda is covering for Ozpin's knowledge by taking the credit for it. Or perhaps she wanted the story in the book because of Summer. Otherwise, it's interesting that she'd be raised knowing a story that Qrow claimed almost no-one these days has ever heard of. That said, the fact Maria's father was able to find some information when he researched it, suggests that some people do exist who have heard these stories.
I just think it would be interesting if Glynda had known this story all along rather than acting as a cover for Ozpin's knowledge. Or, perhaps it's a sign that it's her favourite fairy tale (Pyrrha's mother's favourite was the fairy tale that ended up getting her daughter killed, but that's irony for you).
Based on the Widow's behaviour, I think there is some ability to choose the future you want to see and to make the choice that you will make then. The hints are that she's thinking about her feelings for the king when she puts the Crown on her head, and her choice to put it on is a rather deliberate one. So, she sees his marriage proposal because what she's thinking about is that hope for a future with him that she's just hinted to him about. The Crown is showing her there is hope for that, if she wants it... she accepts it immediately because she already knows that's what she wants.
I suspect what he saw wasn't so much that Salem wins but that he fails, as symbolised by the picture of a skeleton sat on the throne still wearing the crown; the reason he fails is the lesson of the tale — too much knowledge paralyses him, leaving him not knowing what the best or right decision to make is: it was leaving him with his own Volume 7 dilemma, but probably on a much greater scale.
And, yes, this is how people feel when they learn the truth about Salem — in his experience. Couple that (the Leos, Ravens and Ironwoods of his long life and experience) with the experience he's had of using (overusing, I suspect) the Relic of Choice, and it's starting to become quite clear why he's become so wary about giving people 'too much' knowledge — and why Oscar said that Ozpin's secrecy is based on the concept of losing hope. It's not simply the crushing despair he clearly felt when the Relic of Knowledge said 'You can't' — it's whatever nightmarish state of existence using the Relic of Choice reduced him to as well, and I suspect the Relic of Choice experience is going to be the more significant one: it's probably the one that really did bed in the 'You can't' scenario.
And, again, the flaw here, the mistake he's probably made, is that he was probably using the Relic of Choice based on his sole efforts, rather than the idea of people working together as a team to overcome Salem. The Widow advising him to embrace the flaws, limitations and frailties of being human (the risk of making mistakes, of not having all the facts — just the most information he's capable of gathering at the time) is probably the key to the Salem problem, especially given that her curse rests on this idea of understanding the balance of life and death. These are the kinds of stories that tend to feed into that kind of solution.
From what the creators have said, it seems to be treated as canon. Professor Ozpin is 'in character' for the notes and the foreword. The book is described by the creators as 'Professor Ozpin's personal copy', and the foreword states that he put this book together as a teaching tool for the four Academies to impart to their students.
The creators also told us that the book would contain 12 stories, four we've already been introduced to in the show and eight new ones. Now we've seen the contents list, that's quite clear. The four that have been mentioned in the show are: The Shallow Sea (title only), The Two Brothers, The Story of the Seasons, and the Girl in the Tower (it'll be interesting to see Ozpin's notes for that one).
So, all the signs are that this book is indeed meant to be part of the canon.
Which is why I want to see Glynda give Oscar Professor Ozpin's copy, which she managed to rescue... and then Ruby and Blake compete to see who can borrow it from Oscar first (before he's even had a chance to read it himself, naturally).
As for Qrow, since we last saw him on the paddy wagon heading to the prison, that means he will have to be rescued later on when Team RWBY potentially clears his name once the situation in Atlas is over.
Thoughts?
There will be some kind of reconcilation with Raven later on. I'm expecting her to come back into the story when she needs to save Yang's life again, breaking her 'once only' rule.
I'm rather hoping it'll be Oscar that Qrow and Robyn team up with for a little while — they go for the Staff while Teams RWBY and JNR hide out with Klein (who's pulling a 'seven dwarfs look after Snow White after she's fled the Wicked Queen who's hunting her' scenario) and plan their defence of Mantle and stopping Ironwood's plan from there... they'll decide to go for the Vault because they've got Penny. Meanwhile, Oscar, Robyn and Qrow will go for the Staff's real location (because Ozpin knows where it is, and Ironwood thinks Oscar is dead so Oz should be out of commission for some time while he reincarnates all over again).
That's certainly an interesting theory!
Well, here's the crack theory I've had since she entered the storyline: Oz does actually know who she is because he's secretly been keeping an eye on all the silver-eyed lineages he's capable of tracking because he knows Salem keeps trying to hunt them down. Maria's father was an old soldier who became a teacher. She didn't go through the (then new) Academies, but the day she graduated, she broke records (well, outshone all the other graduates at the very least). Plus, the Grimm Reaper was famous across the Huntsman world.
I'm willing to bet Oz knew all about her. We don't know how she managed to make it back to civilisation without her eyes — whether she did that alone or found help along the way. However, she somehow managed to obtain surgery that got her Atlesian technology that's maintained by one of Atlas's top scientific minds. And then she went into hiding, so successfully that the world thought she was long dead and moved on. Did she or her father have the connections to pull this off? Or was there a mysterious benefactor involved who pulled some strings to make sure she was taken care of and kept away from Salem's radar?
Oscar and Maria did seem to naturally gravitate towards each other after the train crash. We actually have no idea how much Maria knows about Professor Ozpin (or his predecessor, depending on how her youth and Oz's reincarnation match up), and we certainly don't know what Oz knows about her.
I therefore won't be surprised if Oz knew all about Maria, at the very least.
Hm. I think becoming Winter Maiden has ensured Penny's survival at this point; she's more likely to stop being the Protector of Mantle and become the protector of both Mantle and Atlas. It has, however, made it far more likely that Pietro will die: she probably now has an Aura of her own thanks to Fria, which means Pietro will no longer have to sacrifice pieces of his Aura should she ever need a rebuild, so that frees her of continued dependence on him. Plus, he had the red flag moment of happily watching his daughter with true friends, which is the 'I can die happy knowing I don't have to worry about her going through life alone and unloved' death flag.
Ironwood's either going to back into the fold or die a redemptive death. I think he'll probably end up going the survive and be redeemed route. However, either option is possible.
I think Mercury is more likely to turn on Salem than die. Plus, I have a suspicion that Mercury's missing Semblance is an Oz hook. Nobody knows more about Aura and Semblances than Oz. If Mercury and Emerald flee Salem and Oz can show Mercury how to 'regain' his Semblance (my suspicion is that his Semblance was actually locked away, rather than 'removed'), then I think that's more likely to happen.
Raven I'm expecting to have a redemptive death, saving Yang's life and reconciling with her estranged family in the process. It depends on what they want to have happen to the Summer Maiden powers, and whether they want Yang to end up with them or not.
Tyrian's now firmly established as Qrow's Arch-Enemy. That'll be his big villain role now. Plus, given that he's a scorpion Faunus, it doesn't make thematic sense for him to be killed off before we go to the desert Kingdom. Given his nature and the way he dresses, my guess is that he's originally from Vacuo, even though his reputation as a serial killer was built in Mistral and Atlas. If so, the villains will have their Vacuo native, to help navigate the desert. The heroes? Well, Qrow and Ozpin should both know their way around Vacuo, at least to some extent.
They haven't finished attacking the kingdoms yet, and we're still going to end up back at Vale eventually, so I don't see Watts disappearing from the storyline yet.
Qrow: I don't think he's going to kick the bucket. I think he's destined for a happier outcome, having learned that his Semblance can manipulate 'good luck', too (hence him hanging on to Clover's badge, which Clover always flicked whenever he activated his Semblance; eventually, we'll see Qrow use the same gesture, which will tell us when he's using his 'good luck' instead of his misfortune, effectively making Clover a part of him the way Jaune made Pyrrha a part of him).
Edited by Wyldchyld on Jun 13th 2020 at 3:19:13 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Let me say it a third time: I put Tai on my death pool,. I put him there because there were people betting on Qrow dying, and I was saying if anyone ele on Team STRQ was gonna go, it might was well be Tai.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."![]()
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Less moments doesn't make it any less likely. Mercury had been Out of Focus after the Fall of Beacon till Volume 6, and that volume alone was the one that humanized him the most, touching on his protectiveness of Emerald, his fear of Salem, his abusive past, and Tyrian's entire deconstruction of his being. Emerald's only got more attention because of a single line in Volume 3 and 5 and more blatant signs of not belonging there. But because Mercury didn't get as much attention, it didn't seem like he was anything more than The Sociopath. Now that they actually are focusing on him as an equal to Emerald, they are pointing out he has just as much claim to redemption as she does.
Saying Raven is just a look at what Qrow could have been is inaccurate. Redeeming her doesn't go against her narrative role when her narrative role is to be the Fallen Hero who has lost faith in the world, which typically results in the Fallen Hero either being killed after a confrontation with the heroes, which they didn't do, or being restored as a hero and giving up their life for Redemption Equals Death.
Edited by RebelFalcon on Jun 13th 2020 at 10:25:33 AM
Rodimus: Self-sacrifice, Magnus— It's cheap. It's a cheap way out. I need to live so I can make amends.That reminds me of something the Creators said. In Volume 3, they were listening to the fandom speculate about Emerald potentially being redeemed and Mercury being irredeemable; they commented that everyone thinks they've got it figured out, but that's because they don't know all the character back stories yet and fans might be surprised when other stories become known. They've said it a few times over the years, the obvious hint being that Mercury has more of a redemption opportunity than the fans were thinking.
That doesn't mean it'll definitely happen, but the creators have obviously thought about it happening, at the very least.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Jun 13th 2020 at 3:35:23 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.If either Emerald or Mercury dies, I wonder if they'll pull a Death Equals Redemption or Villain's Dying Grace. Perhaps imparting a vital secret to our heroes?
Alternatively, Salem could possibly notice either of the above and defy it. I think it would be by killing the relevant party before they can finish talking and forcing a His Name Is... situation.
So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my TumblrAs for Tai, to be honest, I think he's too peripheral to die. When I said "almost everyone" dies at the end of these things ("optimistic" examples including almost every Star Wars and Harry Potter as a whole), I really meant everyone still involved in the action. Qrow will likely be accompanying RWBY and JN_R at the end of their journey; if so, he'll almost certainly die. Tai will most likely be back in Patch. Just like I don't find it impossible he'll kill Raven next volume, I don't find it impossible she'll kill him. If he doesn't die next volume, and he never (permanently) leaves Patch, I'd expect him to survive the series.
Edited by TwinBird on Jun 13th 2020 at 12:29:16 PM
My posts make considerably more sense read in the voice of John Ratzenberger.Why would he kill Raven, why would Raven kill Tai, why does Qrow continuing on with the protags guarantee his death, and how is Star Wars an example when more often than not a lot of the protagonists live to the end of the original trilogy with the only real death being Obi-Wan aka the Mentor Occupational Hazard?
Why are you so sure they're gonna kill off a lot of characters anyway? And before you answer, actually think for a sec and ask yourself if you think Miles and Kerry would be willing to do that, not what you think they'd do. Look at Miles' history of work and see whether he's shown a propensity for killing off characters at all in what he's written too.
I wasn't talking about Obi-Wan; I was talking about, e.g., Biggs. Bit characters get cleared out before the climax; those who don't get cleared out by other business are cleared out by death. Miles and Kerry watched the same movies I did.
Edited by TwinBird on Jun 13th 2020 at 12:40:27 PM
My posts make considerably more sense read in the voice of John Ratzenberger.Raven is currently so far away from action, the only way she can die in coming volumes is by her own sword. If she stays at Vale, I expect her to resurface then, but that's still ways to go.
Granted, I'm not sure where the action will go right now, considering the main baddie is at a doorstep with a literal army and poised for a climactic showdown.
Mercury & Emerald, maybe. I expect the breaking point for the latter will be when Cinder straight up doesn't acknowledge her on her return to Salem. Mercury will follow along, if they go at all. Maybe they'll even take Neo with her.
I've been holding onto the belief that Qrow would die, as he serves as a mentor figure who will only start to "get-in-the-way" of big battles that RWBY would eventually face. I still believe in some variation of that: the story will end with RWBY (or new generation) being victorious, not the adults.
Maybe Qrow will get critically injured instead: the fact that he's being put through alot makes it seem strange to kill him in the next couple volumes, but I still am of the opinion he will die, eventually.
I'd also report that the VA's for JNPR held a panel last friday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZHY1evLT3Y&feature=emb_title
Edited by mach56gs on Jun 14th 2020 at 2:44:39 AM
That doesn't necessarily require he die however, just that he pass the torch to them. Besides, he isn't the mentor anymore. The most he mentored anyone was just teaching Ruby how to use a Scythe, but outside of that, he's the Token Adult of the group and more their equal at this point. Maria is more The Mentor now, to both Ruby and Qrow, since she is directly teaching Ruby how to use her eyes, and indirectly inspired Qrow to be who he is.
Rodimus: Self-sacrifice, Magnus— It's cheap. It's a cheap way out. I need to live so I can make amends.It's another example of the writers/show getting blamed for something they never said and places like the wiki running with it when they probably shouldnt have.
Ah, that's good. We can ignore it then. At least, for now.
I tend to ignore wikis. They all seem to define 'fact' in the same way ('rampant speculation that fits our fanon and theories'), but they can sometimes be useful for finding a source (when they're not wrong about the sources, too, that is).
We first learned that Oscar was fourteen when the creators told us he was two years younger than Ruby — and that we do know comes from the creators (I actually found the interview where they said it... although I'll need to re-find it again since it's been a while).
So, Ruby was definitely sixteen. What Slater is saying is that the creators have never claimed she's turned 17 and the final episode of V6 confirms that Oscar is still 14. Which should mean that Ruby's still 16, and the rest of the kids are therefore 18.
If you look at the timeline discussions Rebel and I have been having (especially the timelines Rebel has put together), there's a good reason for our scepticism over the idea that it makes sense for her to be 17.
I don't see it. He worked to make sure that Yang didn't have too much of a negative impression of her mother. It was Raven herself who made Yang's opinion of her so negative. I don't see him killing his daughter's mother.
I actually think it's much more likely that he knows more about Ozpin's secrets than the others did and there's an important reason why he's remained in the background (and suddenly started going on missions again in V2). That would mean that the only member of Team STRQ who didn't know was Qrow.
My head canon is that what Yang thinks was him shutting down solely because he'd lost two loves was, partially, because he learned the full truth from Oz. Then he told Oz not to tell Qrow (believing that Qrow won't be able to handle it) and the girls (because it's his place to do that), and Oz promised to keep his mouth shut (which suits Oz's instincts anyway — we do know from the show that he does sometimes tell people, despite those instincts).
I still think that Oz brought Ruby into Beacon early because she kicked up such a ruckus in the city fighting Roman, which means there was a good chance that a new silver-eyed warrior surfacing would make it back to Salem some point soon. So, he brought her into Beacon to keep a closer eye on her. It's part of my theory that I think he knew about Maria.
And she boosted him enough at the end of V6 to probably be a major contribution to why he's decided to go teetotal.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Jun 14th 2020 at 12:02:02 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.I kinda have a theory were gonna learn that Summer had some serious Flaws
Its a fairly common trope, having a Posthumous Character who's built up to be this borderline Messianic Person revealed to have actually been very fallible or flawed, especially when they're related to the protagonist(She even has Rose in her name, like a huge example of that Rose Quartz)
We're told how she went on this mission by herself and no one knew what it was, a major theme in the Atlas arc is showing the flaws and pride based nature of "I have to do this alone" as opposed to working with others
Things are really about to get Fun around hereSo, now that Jacques has been exposed for corruption, do you think he'll be removed from his positions and be an Un-person at the SDC, divorced by Willow and eventually disowned by the rest of his family (including Winter and Weiss) in later volumes?
Edited by gjjones on Jun 14th 2020 at 2:25:15 PM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
It's also possible that Weiss will tell Jacques her resolve and that he's not her real family anymore to his face before he's killed or when she rescues him, Whitley and the rest of her family from Salem's invasion. I could be wrong.
Edited by gjjones on Jun 14th 2020 at 2:27:03 PM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.@Kylo: I personally have headcanons that Summer may not be dead, but ended up being brainwashed (or even grimmfied) into a living weapon for Salem's faction. I talked about this prediction a little more on the subreddit, but even then it was more about predictions on the circumstances of her disappearance.
My theory goes as such; she found or thinks she found a way to stop Salem and eventually tried to face her. She came within an inch of actually defeating Salem and failed either due to a stroke of bad luck or that she actually tried to appeal to Salem due to a moment of pity, and was stuck down while her guard was down.
@gjj: I also had predictions of Jacques, and what could happen in Vol 8. My money is he may survive Salem's initial invasion (at least). It really depends on if she will wipe out Atlas or take over. If it's the latter, I can see Jacques trying to suck up to her and her faction if it helped him keep a piece of his former status; pretty much following the path of Rip Blazkowicz.
If not he may get killed or remain in jail during the invasion, it's just his role in Vol 7 was pretty underwhelming and I found his arrest to be pretty anti climatic. I also feel the Schnee family drama was unresolved in Vol 7, although if it continued in 8, it would probably focus more on Winter and Weiss.
Edited by Beast on Jun 14th 2020 at 4:25:47 AM
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."I think you've shared that with me before, it is an interesting idea....someone actually posed that at some point after Maria's age she stopped killing silver eyed people and instead starting horrible experiments on them. Hence why she wants Ruby Alice.
....Can you imagine Cinders face when she realizes she had been unwittingly saving Ruby from that fate by not just capturing and bringing her to Salem?
Speaking of cinder, this comic broke my heart so I figured if your curious you can check it out so it can give you depression too.
https://m.imgur.com/r/rwby/yBiYw7Y
I actually thought that was Ruby at first. I guess it wouldn't make sense for Ruby to be older than Yang. I also thought Jasper was a woman.
...when was this made? Because we know now that Qrow didn't know anything about Summer's last mission.
My posts make considerably more sense read in the voice of John Ratzenberger.I'm sure she will. It's very often the case that the biggest thing that differentiates the hero who succeeds from all the others who came before (usually including their parents) is that they're not doing it alone.
I still believe that Summer and Raven were involved in some way. When Ruby asked Raven to join with them and fight Salem together because they'd be stronger that way, Raven told her she sounded just like her mother.
When she told Salem that they'd stop her, Salem told her that her mother said that.
Summer last mission almost certainly involved Raven at some point. My theory has been for quite some time that Summer decided she'd figured out a solution and decided not to risk anyone's lives. She went to Raven, who turned her down and continued alone (perhaps she needed some intel that she knew Raven had, such Salem's location, and Raven gave it to her but refused to go with her).
At some point, Raven decides to portal to Summer's side. My theory is that Raven's Semblance covers mental and emotional links as well as physical links, so that she can 'see' what her bonded person can see — it would explain how she knew Yang needed rescuing in V2 (and it would also explain why she hates being closely involved with people like her loved ones — just as I think Qrow's Semblance has a hidden beneficial side, I think Raven's has a secret down side).
She senses Summer's defeat at Salem's hands so portals to Ozpin (and, yes, I do believe she had a link with Ozpin). They portal to Summer, but not in time to save her life (and she was defeated only because she was missing one key ingredient, which will be why Salem wants Ruby alive instead of dead like all the other silver-eyed warriors she's hunted through time). Cue a confrontation between Ozpin and Salem that involves the scene from the end of Volume 3 (where Salem turns to the camera, addressing Ozpin directly, suggesting the camera angle — the audience view of her — is Ozpin's position).
Salem therefore threatens Ruby with the same fate that's just befallen her mother, along with all the rest of what she says. And this is why Raven is so adamant to Yang in V5 that Ruby is lost — because she knows what happened to Summer (she had to feel what happened to Summer, thanks to her Semblance) and she knows what Salem said to Ozpin.
So, Raven and Ozpin know what happened to Summer. I'm in two minds as to whether Tai was with them or was told after the fact, but my theory is that Qrow is the only member of Team STRQ who was in the dark until Volume 6, and I think it's because Tai didn't want him to know because he thought Qrow wouldn't be able to cope and would fall apart. And he didn't want his daughters to know either: at least, he didn't want them to hear it from Ozpin.
We already know that Tai is willing to order people to keep information away from his daughters because Qrow defied him to tell Yang about her mother in V3. Yang was shocked in V3 when she discovered that Qrow was still in touch in with her mother. In V4, we know that Tai knows exactly where Raven dwells, too, because he didn't want Qrow to tell Yang. At the end of V3, he clearly doesn't want Qrow to tell Ruby about the silver eyes, but steps aside and lets Qrow do it anyway. So, I think it would be in character for him to tell someone (in this case Ozpin), to reveal nothing about Summer, the silver-eyes, the Salem thing to his daughters. That's his perogative as their father, after all.
The twist in my theory is that his instruction included Qrow: because Qrow's alcholism and misery about his Semblance both put him in a pretty fragile state. I'm more than willing to believe that Tai might think Qrow can't handle the full truth: and, as we see, Qrow really couldn't handle it. He had to be kicked out of it by a combination of both Ruby and Maria (who just happen to be his favourite niece and his idol). Even then, I still think he needed Clover to start putting himself back together again (which is why I think it's significant that Clover and Ozpin aren't in his life at the same time).
Anyway, that's my Summer/Salem/Raven theory.
The only thing I really toy with is whether Summer felt she had to do it alone or was put in a position (by Salem) where she had to do it alone for everyone else's safety. Either way, I think she thought it was best for everyone if she went alone... and, of course, that's the biggest mistake of all: in these kinds of stories, the only hero who wins is the hero who has a team standing with them.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Wyld, you were looking for them taking back the "6-8 month Timeskip"? Found it
. Context is that at RTX Sydney, a fan asked Miles how much time passed between the end of Volume 3 and the end of Volume 4. Miles, after quickly whispering with Kerry, said that the Time Skip is intentionally left vague and that is no actual range for the sake of avoiding potential plot holes. Psyga actually quoted part of his answer here
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6-8 months meanwhile is a rather specific time period, so while not directly saying it was retconed, they all but said for the sake of keeping it ambiguous, the timeline was now just "ambiguous" rather than "6-8 months". Hell, making it ambiguous does resolve two potential plot holes given by the 6-8 months.
- The first being in Weiss' plotline, where when she first sees Whitley he establishes she hasn't left her room since getting home, and its hard to believe Weiss hadn't left her room and not had contact with anyone but Klein for the better part of a year. It also justifies Jacques' decision to hold a charity concert for the Fall of Beacon at that point in time, since holding it over half a year later is kind of out there.
- The second being in Blake's timeline. While we have no idea how long she was on that boat, we do know Sun had been following her since she left Vale, and based on how easily she spotted him in that cloak yet her surprise at him being the one in the cloak, I think it's fair to say Sun isn't exactly stealthy, making it way too hard to believe that this was the first time Blake noticed him after over half a year.
Edited by RebelFalcon on Jun 14th 2020 at 7:43:45 AM
Rodimus: Self-sacrifice, Magnus— It's cheap. It's a cheap way out. I need to live so I can make amends.

As for Raven, that's no more her backstory now than it was three volumes ago. She's not malicious and never has been, but she's amoral - or at best beholden to her own code - and always has been. She's what Qrow could have been; to redeem her goes against her narrative role.
Edited by TwinBird on Jun 13th 2020 at 10:13:11 AM
My posts make considerably more sense read in the voice of John Ratzenberger.