Sooo.... anyone think Snowbirds qualifies for Crack Ship now? They've had all of two interactions in series outside of their fight, and none of them were remotely positive.
Rodimus: Self-sacrifice, Magnus— It's cheap. It's a cheap way out. I need to live so I can make amends.Naw, that's just the result of Ship Tease that never got followed up on, and things like RWBY Chibi feature.
Trust me as someone who has Cinder ships as a collosal guilty pleasure, that dosent compare to what true crack ships look like.
Say, how come Cinders page is locked? I thought someone was just editing but it's been like that for a while.
EDIT:It seems fixed now
Edited by Kylotrope on Jun 8th 2020 at 8:22:16 AM
Things are really about to get Fun around hereSo, what are your favorite soundtrack cues from Volume 7? Least favorite?
Also, what are your favorite (and least favorite) Volume 7 chapters?
Edited by gjjones on Jun 8th 2020 at 1:10:45 PM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.No, because they've met and interacted in-universe. It may not be many times on-screen, but they clearly know each other. So, there's on-screen interaction for shippers to ship and the creators have gone along with the Ship Tease (Chibi's only one example).
Is the ship unlikely? Yes. But it's not crack either.
There are ghost locks that crop up on editable pages from time to time. It seems to be a quirk of the current website design we're using — at least, it started when we came over to this website. If you see a lock and you want to check if it's genuinely a lock, click onto the history page. The Edit button is still visible from the history page but the ghost lock should vanish. If the lock is still visible from the history page, there's probably someone genuinely editing the page.
Also, what are your favorite (and least favorite) Volume 7 chapters?
My favourite chapter is the last one, Chapter 13. Everything came together so well. Also, Ozpin.
My least favourite chapter is Chapter 8. I really could have done without that slapstick scene for getting Whitley covered in food.
As to music... it's hard given that I'm not the biggest fan of the music and the songs I do like tend to disappoint me when I hear them in full. The full versions of both Bad Luck Charm and Indomitable did not live up to the promise of the snippets we heard in the relevant episodes. Meanwhile, there's at least one song that I did not like at all when I first heard it (Path to Isolation in Weiss's Chapter 5 Character Short). However, the Volume 6 soundtrack brought out a remix of it that I really like and it's improved my enjoyment of the original. I've since concluded that I really don't think Path to Isolation fits the Weiss's fight in the character short. It flows and stops at the wrong moments for the flow and pauses of the actual fight. It feels like it wasn't the original choice for the fight sequence — or fight sequence was changed slightly after the song was already made. There's a disconnect there that really damages my enjoyment of that song during that short.
Also? I often think the episode music is better than the headliner songs. I gravitate towards it more. For example, I don't think any headline song in Volume 7 stands out to me. The only one that really does are the end credits song and the one that plays in the aftermath of Fria dying.
Meanwhile, some of the episode music was very atmospheric: the Latin chanting has definitely become a thing for Cinder scenes (they played when she created the javelin that impaled Weiss in Volume 5, for example). However, I thought they were stunning during the aerial battle between Cinder, Penny and Winter. Also, the music that played as the scenes shifted between Oscar and Penny awakening new power together was extremely good.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Jun 8th 2020 at 9:07:27 AM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.So, a tiny bit of Fridge Brilliance for Ironwood being pissed at Yang and Blake for telling Robyn about the tower.
Basically, he knew about Robyn knowing about the tower before he knew about Salem. That showed him that the girls would rather trust a criminal with critical, need to know information than someone who was trying to help them.
So, since Whitley was corrupted into becoming just like his father Jacques (who himself was later arrested by his own daughter Weiss in Volume 7), do you think there will be a redemption arc for him in the next volume? If there is one, I think Weiss will probably have a final confrontation with Whitley to the point where she (or possibly Willow) gives him a "Reason You Suck" Speech in a similar vein to what Yang did to Raven back in Volume 5 and tell him to Be Yourself.
As for Jacques's fate (which will probably be in the future volumes), he'll probably lose his status within the SDC given the severity of his crimes in Volume 7. He might eventually recognize the pain he put his children and wife through and promise to never interfere in their lives any longer (especially Weiss's).
But as with some of my predictions, I could be wrong.
Edited by gjjones on Jun 8th 2020 at 9:55:21 AM
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That's......quite the take on things. I get the distinct sense you don't like Team RWBY this volume from some of the stuff you've argued.
The first person to suggest caution in dealing with Ironwood, that suggests they might not be able to trust him is Qrow. He's the one that vetoes simply contacting Ironwood and Winter, and advises them to be cautious.
Ruby leaves out information during their initial meeting, and continues questioning it the entire volume. When she asks Qrow about it, his advice is that people (ie: Ironwood) need to prove that they can earn that trust.
Yang and Blake make a critical decision on their own, and gamble on things.
As I've said before, Ironwood isn't upset about Robyn knowing until he's already in the midst of a breakdown and lashing out. He's been working with her all night to great effect, and it's only when he's in a downward spiral of paranoia that it suddenly becomes YOU BETRAYED US. Prior to that, Ironwood has consistently been someone that gave allowances for rule-breaking that got results. It's only when he's already having a nervous breakdown that it suddenly becomes a major offense.
And the Salem thing, I think, is a matter of Ruby not knowing what to do with that information. When they arrive, everyone expresses worry about Ironwood's condition. Ruby has just watched everyone go through varying levels of despair and rage over "Salem can't be killed", including her uncle hitting rock bottom and nearly drinking himself to death. I don't think her leaving that piece of information out is malicious, it's her (much like Ozpin) being afraid that Ironwood isn't in any condition to handle that.
Edited by harostar on Jun 8th 2020 at 9:25:42 AM
Also, I'm concerned about what to do with the episode-specific entries (such as a Big "NO!", Whole-Plot Reference, etc.). While every subpage (i.e. characters, recaps, trivia, etc.) is optional, if there are recap/character pages, using those for proper tropes (such as character or episode-specific ones) are basically mandatory for proper organization and to keep the main work pages clean of duplicate entries, which War Jay 77 pointed out to me on ATT
. Thoughts on how we should proceed?
Edited by gjjones on Jun 8th 2020 at 12:05:15 PM
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I think in part come from a few things:
The piece and the chess and salem kinda convince his worst fears: that mantle in the end did giving him problems as he though it would, that ruby lie and them yang and blake move on meaing they are doing their own thing and no trust him, in a way salem kinda sorta tell Ironwood "You should run because you fall into my trap that was this people you care" is kind a perfect bait in a way.
And ruby may feel that way but in the end that just comunicate a lack of trusth she demand in others but cant give herself.
Like I said earlier this volume is pretty much "let try to be ozpin, what can be wrong?"
the answer is:everything.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I was just watching the world of Remnant video on dust....and...does anyone feel like the ending is foreshadowing something?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ts106QFjF3k
The funny thing I realized is that Ironwoods plan was never gonna happen regardless of if RWBY went along with it or not, he fell for Cinders trick Wich led her to the Winter Maiden, so either Penny would keep the powers like in the show, and she sure as hell wasn't gonna go with his plan, or Its possible(If not quite most likely) Cinder may have been able to kill Penny If ruby didn't come in to Zap her out of there, Wich would have had a ton of issues on its own.
Edited by Kylotrope on Jun 9th 2020 at 3:35:36 AM
Things are really about to get Fun around hereI'm not sure I'd go that far.
When he first realises she's knows, he's clearly shocked and it's not in a good way. However, that's the moment when Clover and Oscar rush in with news about the Grimm invasion.
At this point, he's willing to shelve it. As a result, we don't know how he truly feels about that reveal until he has an opportunity to dwell on it, at which point it becomes part of a pattern he's putting into a terrible context because of information about both Salem and Cinder.
This is actually a significant pattern that contributes to Ironwood breaking at the end: he does what we see the other leaders do, and that is shelve information for a later date. The leader gets hit with something and they have just have to absorb it and carry on. And this builds up and up and up until the shelf is so full it breaks.
So far, that's happened to every leader except Ruby (whose break is still building).
- Leo's happened off-screen at some point in the past and led to him becoming The Mole.
- Ozpin's builds up to him snapping at the beginning of Volume 6.
- Jaune's builds up to him snapping towards the end of Volume 6.
- Ironwood's builds up over five volumes until he snaps at the end of Volume 7.
Two things to note there:
- Ozpin's has been building for a much longer time than anyone else's, we're given clues that there are off-screen, back-history milestones towards this breakdown (the Spring Maiden, Raven, Summer, Gretchen and Hazel, etc.,). His issues are on a size scale none of the others have ever had to experience and over a timescale that none of the others have had to live with: they're only now just beginning to get an insight into that. He only starts coming back from that at the end of Volume 7. How well, we won't know until Volume 8.
- Jaune bounces back very quickly from his break, and in a healthy way. In fact, he seems to come to terms with the Salem situation better than any of the other teenagers.
I think the motive is the same but not yet recognised as being the same. When characters have discussed it during Volume 7, it's been all about trust: Ozpin did it because he doesn't trust anyone but himself, Ruby did it because she doesn't know if Ironwood is trustworthy until he 'earns' it.
They haven't recognised the truth yet: Ozpin was afraid people couldn't handle the truth (Oscar is the first one to state the reason when he tells Ironwood that Ozpin was afraid people would lose hope). Ruby's the same, as you say, she's seen how people crumble from the truth and she doesn't know how Ironwood will cope with it. Blake comes the closest, I think, to recognising that this is really about coping skills rather than trust (or, more accurately, it's 'can I trust this person's coping skills' rather than the usual issue of trust which is 'can I trust this person's integrity/loyalty'), when she observes Ironwood's habit of overreacting to information that he's given (overreaction is a sign of coping skills, but she doesn't quite get there).
So, right now, I think the only person who's really got a good handle on what the underlying layer leading to the trust issues is all about: Oscar picked up on the fact that sharing knowledge of Salem boils down to coping mechanisms: can people cope with knowing this?
Right towards the end of the volume, he uncovers the next layer, which is fear: what happens if they can't handle it? We see him starting to connect with that when he tries to tell Ironwood that what matters is how people handle their fear... this is important because he's clearly trying to give the speech that we later hear Ozpin monologue, but he's clearly acting on the instinct of memory rather than truly remembering it. So, Oscar was already on the verge of remembering Ozpin's speech which is, I think, why he's remembering that speech as he falls. Either Ozpin thinks it's appropriate for Oscar to receive that memory because it's relevant to what's happened or Oscar taps into it precisely because he was already so close to connecting the dots by himself.
I prefer the latter reason (that Oscar taps into it naturally as a consequence of what's just happened) because it lends weight to Ozpin telling him that he saved them instead of Ozpin — because Oscar's growing awareness may have failed to open Ironwood's eyes, but it did open Ozpin's.
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My position is that if you start moving setting and character tropes to existing Recap pages and deleting them from the main work and character pages you are depriving people of the ability to know what tropes are in a work.
Work pages cover non-character tropes in a way that minimises spoilerific reveals, which is why spoiler tags are allowed to be used (within reason).
Character pages, however, are supposed to minimise spoiler tagging as much as possible. They are considered more spoiler-likely. If you read a work page at a certain level of risk, character pages have a higher level of risk. But, the warnings are there at the tops of pages so people know how spoiler tags are being used on those pages.
Recap pages, however, are spoiler free. They're very much for people who have already seen the work and therefore don't need to worry about spoiler information. They're places to actively avoid for people who want to look at a work with their 'show spoilers' option switched off.
I don't like duplication of tropes and I understand why the work and character pages aren't duplicated. However, I think it makes no sense to apply the 'no duplication' rule to Recap pages. At that point you're saying that only people who have seen the work are allowed to know what tropes apply to it. Given that the example writing rule is that we should always write an entry for the perspective of people who haven't seen the work, this renders the motives behind writing examples properly meaningless.
I think Recap pages should allow that duplication to exist. Otherwise, we're turning any existing Recap pages into the mandatory pages and the work/character pages into the optional ones because we'll suddenly be emptying the work/character pages and therefore forcing people into the full-spoilers zones just to find out what tropes are happening in a work or to a character. To me that's wrong, and completely the wrong way around to handle things. Recap pages, even existing ones, should never trump the work/character pages. Share relevant entries? Yes. Replace? No.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Jun 9th 2020 at 7:50:33 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.What exactly do you think that scene where Little Miss Malachite said how she 'made the spiders work for her', with Cinder looking around at all her workers supposed to mean?
I feel it's supposed to go for a Nothing Is Scarier Ambiguous Situation affect, I of course came to the natural conclusion it was supposed to imply she somehow could change animals to humans, and did this to a bunch of spiders on the condition they work for her, but what do the non Crazy people say?
Things are really about to get Fun around hereIt's meant to be a sign of how much power Lil' Miss has at her disposal. When Cinder first entered, it just seemed like an ordinary pub filled with scoundrels. But then Lil' Miss made it clear that she "made the Spiders work for [her]".
The Spiders are ultimately a metaphor for criminals. She's saying she used to be afraid of criminals, until she not only became one herself, but then made them her underlings.
Suddenly Cinder realizes that everyone in that pub has a Spider tattoo, realizing all too late that she effectively walked right into the Spider's Web. She suddenly realizes she's outnumbered, and even if she can kill them all, it would be too big a spectacle and would attract the cops. An unassuming pub suddenly becomes the Spider's Den, and she didn't even realize it until it was pointed out to her.
On a deeper level, it also invokes a sense of fear. What were once ordinary bar patrons are suddenly members of the Spiders, and Cinder didn't notice until it was brought to her attention. Suddenly anyone could be a spider and Cinder wouldn't know, which would instill a sense of fear and paranoia.
It's effectively another aspect of the fear aesop. Don't let the fear conquer you, instead turn the fear into your tool, and use it to conquer others. It's the same justification Batman used for his inspiration: Bruce was terrified of bats as a kid, so he picked the symbol of the Bat to instill that fear in others. Lil' Miss was once terrified of criminals, or as she calls them spiders, but then she made a web where she's in control.
Edited by RebelFalcon on Jun 9th 2020 at 4:15:21 AM
Rodimus: Self-sacrifice, Magnus— It's cheap. It's a cheap way out. I need to live so I can make amends.Nice interpretation. I just thought she was afraid of spiders and then used her fear to create a symbol of fear throughout Mistral the unimportant rainy slums of Haven.
I think it's both. A fear of real spiders and everything Rebel said (hence the equating criminals with spiders rather than something else).
It's also worth mentioning that Little Miss's attitude is exactly the same as Salem's. Cinder complained to Salem that they could just take what they wanted by force. Salem tried to explain to her that there's a value in exploiting people, that Cinder should never underestimate the value of others. Now, she can finally see it first hand for herself in what Little Miss has done — she blundered in there and got a practical master class in the very message that Salem had tried to give her.
I think it's why she decided to use Neo. Salem's advice didn't sink in until Little Miss showed her the value of it in action. So, she's trying to use Neo the same way.
Unfortunately for Cinder, she hasn't yet learned how both Salem and Little Miss achieve this manipulation and exploitation: Salem tailors her attitude towards the personality of each person she wants to manipulate, whereas Little Miss is clearly considerate (at least on the surface) to her subordinates, suggesting a similar approach. They understand the value of the carrot as well as the stick. Cinder hasn't learned about the carrot, she's currently just using a stick on Neo; even when she doesn't use the stick, she offers Neo no carrot.
I didn't see this earlier:
Yes, I believe it is. There are things she says during her narration in the pilot episode that link in to this also seem to be foreshadowing.
We know they definitely do put foreshadowing into the WoR episodes because they deliberately put in a reference to Dust being put into a user's body to foreshadow Hazel's use of Dust. So, they already knew when making the Dust episode that Hazel would be coming.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Jun 9th 2020 at 12:18:39 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.... Or it could just be Character Derailment.
Edited by Psyga315 on Jun 9th 2020 at 5:46:48 AM

I think it could be done
Things are really about to get Fun around here