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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#48626: Nov 7th 2017 at 1:09:08 PM

[up] Or you know, Yang and Weiss and try to get Ruby away from Ozpin, if what Raven tells them sounds damning enough.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#48627: Nov 7th 2017 at 1:14:43 PM

[up]I mean, something is obviously going to come from this, but Raven frankly doesn't have enough trust points for her words to create such a reaction, at least immediately.

edited 7th Nov '17 1:16:04 PM by LSBK

TheLovecraftian Since: Jul, 2017
#48628: Nov 7th 2017 at 1:19:47 PM

No, but if the seed of doubt is planted and Qrow doesn't convince them otherwise... and let's admit, the whole Ozpin thing is shady enough that this could be what the CRWBY is going for. Divide, after all, is the whole point of our current villains.

edited 7th Nov '17 1:22:26 PM by TheLovecraftian

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#48629: Nov 7th 2017 at 1:48:26 PM

Well, that was a mixed bag.

Typed my thoughts as I watched the episode because the RT website was hanging like hell.

    Episode 4 thoughts 

  • Animation of the tree leaves is awesome.
  • Yeah, Yang's not a fool.
  • Her arm has an inner gun? Ironwood knows his client. Wonder what else it can do besides shooting, deflecting, shielding and packing a whollop.
  • The Yang fight is much better than the Weiss fight. Still had a moment where guy gets a bit of dumb bad luck, which wasn't necessary and was the one spoil in the fight; still at least he adapts, which is better than Volume 3. And at least it shows she's at least learned a little bit about not relying solely on head-on fights.
  • Looks like she's forcing herself to fight though.
  • Music during Yang's fight was the best RWBY fight music I've heard for a long time.

  • Well, Oscar's clearly the anime kid who develops at ridiculous speed. No surprise there. But did we get an implication that Aura is harder to develop than the physical body?
  • Oscar learns that Ozpin is his very own personal Sink-or-Swim Mentor. RNJR already knew. Cue collective Oh, Crap!.
  • Looks like Aura activation uses similar special effects to Aura breaking.
  • Aura infodump. Nora confirms Ren's Semblance. I thought Ren's Semblance was implying that Grimm 'see' emotion rather than people. As soon as the emotion is gone, the Grimm is blinded, which is why the people of Atlas attempted hop into Star Trek and join the Vulcans.
  • Ren mentions that eventually Aura can gradually heal. Jaune healed at superspeed, prompting Pyrrha to say he had a lot of Aura.
  • Ruby spinning the positive and trying to lift up people. God, when she breaks, she's going to break so hard.
  • Semblance infodump, done via what the in-universe theories are.
  • Nora is awesome. That is all.
  • Jaune, what's wrong with you is that you have a super-OP Semblance. That's why it's taking so long to reveal. (Bonus points if, when revealed, it turns out to look really lame initially.)
  • Plot warning from Ozpin: established Semblances will change.

  • And after the Scooby Gang have their optimistic, cheerful, friendly, appear-to-have-accepted-the-Ozpin-thing-far-too-easily-for-this-to-end-well-for-them bonding time, we're back with Raven.
  • Props to Barbara for making that one single word ('Mom') drip with sarcasm.
  • And doesn't Raven sound suddenly motherly. She also sounds a bit like Pyrrha and genuinely pleased that Yang's come looking for her...
  • ... and let me get this straight. Yang knows Ruby is heading to Mistral, heading to Haven, but doesn't know if Ruby's made it there. So, instead of doing the logical thing of actually going to Haven, meeting the headmaster and asking him if he's seen Ruby, before concluding 'OMG little sister in big continent, I need help', she skips straight to the portal request. I appreciate the 'use Raven to reach Ruby' concept, but this execution is so sharp my brain cogs are scratched.
  • Semblance confirmation. It's the portal. But it's still a Semblance that would rub emotional closeness in Qrow's face, so... good. Safe bet she's got a portal to Vernal, too. Wonder if she has one to Ozpin.
  • Weiss, if your idea of subtle was to have your ice-knight loudly clanging his sword against those metal bars, you and I have different dictionaries.
  • Look at Vernal getting angsty with the lightning and the super-charged voice.
  • Well, we all know Ozpin isn't telling the whole story, so Raven's version will be fun. The big question mark probably won't be what she reveals about Ozpin, it'll be whether Qrow's as in the dark as she thinks he is.
  • Look at Weiss getting all touchy-feely with Yang. Two more plot threads twine together and the pair can now have long chats about lousy parents.
  • Guessing Raven learned something off Salem, hence Salem's confidence that the first eye is blinded. If so, we can guarantee that Salem's not telling the full story either. The Ozpin issue will be where the Raven/Vernal bond comes from. Suspect Raven will reveal something about Summer's death since that's the best way to use an Ozpin reveal to impact the Yang/Ruby relationship.

edited 7th Nov '17 2:05:05 PM by Wyldchyld

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TheLovecraftian Since: Jul, 2017
#48630: Nov 7th 2017 at 1:59:45 PM

Nora is awesome. That is all.

Indeed.

Ruby spinning the positive and trying to lift up people. God, when she breaks, she's going to break so hard.

I await eagerly for the day that happens. The sunny ones are always the ones who have the besst breakdowns.

So, instead of doing the logical thing of actually going to Haven, meeting the headmaster and asking him if he's seen Ruby, before concluding 'OMG little sister in big continent, I need help', she skips straight to the portal request.

I don't know, her decision seemed pretty logical to me, especially since Tai told her about Raven's Semblance. With that knowledge, going for Haven would seem like a waste of time to me. Plus, she does have an interest in finding her mother. I think she just found a way to put both her goals together.

Suspect Raven will reveal something about Summer's death since that's the best way to use an Ozpin reveal to impact the Yang/Ruby relationship.

That's my bet as well. Should be interesting.

TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#48631: Nov 7th 2017 at 2:24:04 PM

Plus, what if Ruby had not reach Haven before Yang could somehow? Would Yang just have to assume Ruby will come eventually? What if something happened to her along the way what threw her off the course? And if Ruby had reached Haven already, then she could have also already left, and now Yang has to track her down again. If you have the option to know and get to her, then might as well try it.

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#48632: Nov 7th 2017 at 2:27:59 PM

I don't know, her decision seemed pretty logical to me, especially since Tai told her about Raven's Semblance. With that knowledge, going for Haven would seem like a waste of time to me. Plus, she does have an interest in finding her mother. I think she just found a way to put both her goals together.

By itself, it's actually a pretty good decision to make. My problem is that, if Qrow did tell her he'd look out for Ruby, then she'll know Ruby's aim is Haven, not just Mistral in general.

The clunkiness comes from the 'I know she's going to Haven but instead of actually checking there first to see if she's arrived at Haven, I'm going to go in search of Mum, whose exact location I don't know, unlike Haven Academy, to try and convince a woman I've currently got no relationship with to provide me with a portal to an uncle that, as far I've been told, she's only willing to very occasionally meet up with for business reasons' process of justifying it.

I don't mind the logical conclusion ending up being what she did in this episode, but there was no logic cited in ruling out Haven Academy as a first check. It's not like going to Haven Academy would guarantee she'd meet up with Qrow anyway. Remember, the academy is currently unnaturally empty. All that was needed was for the headmaster to be doing something with Watts, and therefore uncontactable by Yang, for her to go 'Oh, crap, why's this school so empty, where is everyone, let's try Raven's portal to at least locate Qrow and find out what's going on'.

The scenario doesn't have to be like that, I just don't understand why she ruled out Haven Academy to jump straight to Raven. I don't even mind if the clunky rational is because, deep down, Yang wanted an excuse to confront her mother and discovered a way to feed that excuse by way of helping Ruby. That would be a completely human flaw in the reasoning that would be 100% in character for a girl who once admitted that the obsession with finding her mother is something she learned to control, not learned to get rid of.

If it later turns out that there was this kind of human side to why Yang did it this way (instead of being purely rational in how she ruled out Haven as her first check), I'll have no problem with that.

edited 7th Nov '17 2:43:50 PM by Wyldchyld

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#48633: Nov 7th 2017 at 3:36:27 PM

As Yang notes, going to Raven saves time and accounts for the possibility Ruby hasn't arrived yet. Rather than hurry up to wait or be forced to backtrack, she finds a way to get where she wants to go (to Ruby) right off the bat.

Plus there also the simple possibility that Raven's last known location was closer than Haven. Without that option, Yang would have to physically go to Haven, more likely than not, since there's no long range communication reliably working right now.

So the options are go to where you know the people you're looking for are heading with no guarantee they've arrived and no easy way to contact them unless they're within Scroll range, or go to someone who can potentially send you straight to where they are, regardless of their actual location.

edited 7th Nov '17 3:41:16 PM by sgamer82

Darthwyn leader of Inherit from The void Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
leader of Inherit
#48634: Nov 7th 2017 at 3:38:28 PM

seems to me that he choice skips a lot of what if in regards to finding ruby. Knowing the destination does not account for ruby getting dellayed or anything else that could go wrong. She decided to go with a more precise option that covered everything she wanted.

"Shall I use you, or make you mine... I'm not so sure what I'll do." - Dorthy
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#48635: Nov 7th 2017 at 3:43:08 PM

My issue is that there are probably more what ifs with the Raven option.

She didn't have much reason to expect that to be easier than just checking in on Haven first

Vampireandthen In love with an Uptown Girl from Northern Ireland Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: A teenager in love
In love with an Uptown Girl
#48636: Nov 7th 2017 at 3:44:32 PM

When will we change the heartwarming image for Volume 5 to Yang and Weiss reuniting?

Saturday sound good?

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#48637: Nov 7th 2017 at 3:47:28 PM

She didn't have much reason to expect that to be easier than just checking in on Haven first
Other than the fact she couldn't check in on Haven without physically going there. Circumstances give me the impression Raven was closer. So it could be go there and if Raven helps, great. If not, she fights her way out and continues on her merry way.

That said, Yang didn't seem too worried Raven would refuse until she actually refused.

edited 7th Nov '17 3:48:16 PM by sgamer82

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#48638: Nov 7th 2017 at 3:48:31 PM

My issue is that there are probably more what ifs with the Raven option.
How? Go to Raven and demand that she use her semblance to find Ruby and take Yang to her. That seems fairly straightforward with minimal what ifs.

She didn't have much reason to expect that to be easier than just checking in on Haven first
I find this assumption to be questionable, checking Haven isn't necessarily an easy thing to do (travel time and all that) not even mentioning that she had no way of knowing that Ruby was at Haven.

It's simply more efficient to go to Raven who can find Ruby and teleport to her (through Qrow), this has the added benefit of finally finding her mother (to chew her out if nothing else).

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
TheLovecraftian Since: Jul, 2017
#48639: Nov 7th 2017 at 3:50:43 PM

Plus, through Raven, even if she doesn't find Ruby, she does find Qrow. That's a major step forward no matter how you look at it.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#48640: Nov 7th 2017 at 3:51:49 PM

She didn't know where Raven was! And she'd failed to find her previously. Even though she couldn't know Ruby made it to Haven, she wasn't given any reason to suspect Ruby wouldn't make it.

Whereas, she had reason to suspect finding Raven would be difficult, possibly too difficult for her.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#48641: Nov 7th 2017 at 3:52:27 PM

I'm fine with it being a "best of both worlds" situations. I don't think the other times Yang has tried to find Raven are really comparable to this; this time she had fairly reliable information and a location from Qrow. All the other times mostly just seemed be left over scrapes, and I very much doubt she's ever been to Mistral to look for her.

Also, I'm watching again, and I didn't pick up at first how sarcastic Yang's "because we're family" was. She even did a nice little gesture with her hands over her heart. Good touch.

edited 7th Nov '17 3:54:41 PM by LSBK

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#48642: Nov 7th 2017 at 3:53:27 PM

[up][up]She knew where Raven was, at least roughly, thanks to Qrow. That was her and Tai's last discussion last season. Yang knew where Raven was and where Ruby was going, so who was she going after?

edited 7th Nov '17 3:53:56 PM by sgamer82

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#48643: Nov 7th 2017 at 3:54:51 PM

She clearly didnt if she had to start asking around once she got to mistral

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#48644: Nov 7th 2017 at 3:57:05 PM

Also, Yang didn't seem to be taking "Ruby will make it to Haven eventually" as something that would definitely happen. Her entire reason for doing this is to be there for her if there's trouble, and she can't do that just by waiting at Haven.

There are issues either way, for all Yang knew something could have happened to Qrow (heh) but it makes more sense for assume he's more likely to be fine than Ruby, even if he's looking after Ruby. Speaking of which, Qrow told Yang he was going to go tail Ruby?

edited 7th Nov '17 3:58:21 PM by LSBK

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#48645: Nov 7th 2017 at 3:58:52 PM

"She clearly didnt if she had to start asking around once she got to mistral"

Hence 'at least generally'

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#48646: Nov 7th 2017 at 3:59:35 PM

[up][up]Clearly I just dont get where she got that doubt from and considered it to a likely enough outcome that it makes it more efficient to find someone whose exact location she doesn't know.

Like her plan also hinges on Ruby being with Qrow, so she can accept that but not trust Qrow is able to get her to Haven?

edited 7th Nov '17 4:00:07 PM by Saiga

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#48647: Nov 7th 2017 at 4:01:29 PM

[up]She trusted Qrow to be with Ruby, that doesn't mean that things can't go wrong.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#48648: Nov 7th 2017 at 4:04:31 PM

The level of assumptions she accepts and doubts she has both seem really contrived for her to arrive at the conclusion that her plan is the most logical one.

Being emotionally influenced would go a long way toward rationalizing it.

edited 7th Nov '17 4:05:09 PM by Saiga

TheLovecraftian Since: Jul, 2017
#48649: Nov 7th 2017 at 4:05:53 PM

[up][up][up]Even if she gets to Qrow and he's alone, that's two people rather than one, and Qrow is far more experienced with traveling than she is. With him, she can find Ruby a lot faster than on her own, and if he's tailing Ruby, as he promised, he's going to have some intel on her.

[up]And although I really do believe she was a lot more emotionally focused in this decision than she let on when talking to Raven, you gotta wonder what seems more like Yang: Going to Haven, informing herself, and then waiting, or actively searching for her sister with whatever means she can procure? It's a perfectly logical conclusion for Yang to have arrived in.

edited 7th Nov '17 4:08:47 PM by TheLovecraftian

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#48650: Nov 7th 2017 at 4:16:07 PM

I understand the issues people have, but whether unresolved emotional issues come up (which I'm fairly certain will happen) or Yang really did just see this as the most efficient course of action, I buy as a decision someone like Yang would make.

edited 7th Nov '17 4:16:41 PM by LSBK


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