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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#47076: Jul 30th 2017 at 4:12:56 PM

I doubt that'll be addressed, but it's an interesting question.

edited 30th Jul '17 4:13:31 PM by LSBK

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#47077: Jul 30th 2017 at 4:18:44 PM

[up][up]Hmm, I suppose that depends on whether the maiden powers pass to those whose gender or sex are female. If it's gender than the transgender could count but if it's sex then they obviously wouldn't.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#47078: Jul 30th 2017 at 5:48:12 PM

As long as it doesn't end up being Ruby, I'm fine with a current protagonist ending up with Maiden powers. I'm not sure how I'd feel about all of them getting them, though. Which could work out — going purely by personality and color scheme, Nora would be Spring (pink for spring flowers, optimistic and energetic personality), Yang for Summer (yellow for the summer sun, forceful and straightforward personality), Blake for Fall (black for shortening fall days, contemplative and quiet personality), Weiss for Winter (white for winter snow, proud and "icy" personality). Minus Ruby, Pyrrha, and males, that's the entirety of our A-team and B-team.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#47079: Jul 30th 2017 at 5:58:02 PM

Yeah, them all getting Maiden powers would be weird, because someone has to die for them to be transferred. But this show is going with other anime cliches so I could also see it happening.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#47080: Jul 30th 2017 at 5:59:02 PM

[up][up]Personally I would prefer if few or none of them get maiden powers, it just seems so... contrived. I get that main characters are important but if all of the main female characters became maidens it would frankly just be silly.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#47081: Jul 30th 2017 at 6:02:12 PM

I could also see Raven getting maiden powers, because it seems very likely she would kill someone for power.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#47082: Jul 30th 2017 at 6:06:56 PM

[up]I wouldn't mind her, I was more thinking of the 'main' female characters (like Ruby, Yang, Nora, Weiss, and Blake). I know it may seem silly but It just breaks my verisimilitude.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#47083: Jul 30th 2017 at 6:18:49 PM

Honestly, I'm absolutely positive every member of Team RWBY will end up a Maiden. RWBY's already a Cliché Storm.

Though there's the problem that Ruby getting Cinder's Maiden powers makes the most sense from a narrative standpoint, but Fall probably doesn't fit her thematically.

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#47084: Jul 30th 2017 at 6:46:54 PM

[up]Gotcha. Give the powers to Nora instead! evil grin[lol]

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#47085: Jul 30th 2017 at 7:30:37 PM

Eh, them giving Ruby something else that makes her super special makes me doubt that they're going to give her maiden powers. Some of the others maybe, but I don't see it happening with her.

And besides going "it's a cliche" there's really no reason to think it's going to happen at this point. And that alone isn't enough for me to think that it's definitely going to happen.

edited 30th Jul '17 7:32:16 PM by LSBK

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#47086: Jul 30th 2017 at 8:47:42 PM

A part of me sorta thinks Pryhha really will become the Fall Maiden as a result of Cinder flashing back to her asking "Do you believe in destiny?" as she dies- That question alone seemed to really trouble her. To be sure, I alos sorta think it'd result in something weird and tragic in spite of her return like a coma or something so RWBY and JNR don't get too much out of it all at once, like a coma or amnesia or similar. There's a lot of details regarding how Maiden powers that we keep getting reminded of despite them not being a terribly major factor as of yet.

I sure said that!
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#47087: Jul 30th 2017 at 9:44:44 PM

[up] There's not really a body for Cinder's powers to return to though, because Pyrrha turned into glowy lights when she died.

Wait why are we spoilering this? We've been talking about it pretty openly.

edited 30th Jul '17 9:48:28 PM by xanderiskander

Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#47088: Jul 30th 2017 at 9:49:11 PM

I've been advertising the Grand Theft Me solution where Pyhrra either bodyjacks Cinder or becomes a voice in the back of her head.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#47089: Jul 30th 2017 at 10:01:19 PM

Jovian: is not she wasnt in her right mind is that it wasnt any much choice, run way will just give her the tower to cinder and phyrra is not someone to leave with the guilt, in anything is the only she can think: to face her and at best buy time to the other.

I think my issue is that there was things left unsaid, the whole "Lonely at the top" issue never feel real to me because they use tell, not show making her feel somewhat shallow, there is also the fact Phyrra BARELY INTERACT with others, hell chibi phyrra interact more with the cast that regular Phyrra does!.

[up]I was thinking the same thing, a fragment of phyrra soul is atach to cinder, running like voice on her head.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#47090: Jul 30th 2017 at 10:17:13 PM

[up][up][up]I'm, uh, I'm new and wasn't sure what the local consensus was.

And I mean, we're talking the only actual in-setting magic here. There's all kinds of possibilities- It doesn't help that things are kinda vague on what the full power set is as of now.

[up]It doesn't help that the rest of JNPR was really obviously quite close with her- Nora and Ren didn't seem any more distant from her than Jaune outside of that pair already being close from the start.

I sure said that!
Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#47091: Jul 30th 2017 at 10:21:14 PM

iirc we stop obligating spoiler tagging info in the thread a day after the episode it comes from is available to the general public on the RT site. Or the same day after a couple hours, can't remember.

Pyrrha's been dead for two years IRL, so it's old news.

edited 30th Jul '17 10:22:25 PM by Karxrida

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#47092: Jul 30th 2017 at 11:13:23 PM

Oh my God, it has been long.

Speaking of someone who died near the end of season 3, here's a fanart of Roman and Neo. Well, at least Neo is still alive.

Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.
shinigamiPeter Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#47093: Jul 31st 2017 at 1:48:58 AM

So, RWBY: The Session (the light novel, for those who don't know) got released. The fan-translation is already in the works, and we've got some new images.

Chapter titles

JNPR color spread

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#47094: Jul 31st 2017 at 5:34:49 AM

[up][up][up]Sorry, sorry. Pryhha died less than a week ago from my perspective, y'see, and since I hadn't been following this thread I didn't know if there was a topic-specific agreement to keep spoilers up if someone new showed up- That's what the Persona General thread does, since newbies file in and out there a lot. That's why I was erring on the side of caution so much.

I sure said that!
Thelastwarrior Since: Jun, 2017
#47095: Jul 31st 2017 at 9:30:03 AM

[up][up]wild mass guessthe big bad will be a Grimm with lots of tentacles.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#47096: Jul 31st 2017 at 9:58:32 AM

Yeah, them all getting Maiden powers would be weird, because someone has to die for them to be transferred. But this show is going with other anime cliches so I could also see it happening.

If Cinder is going to be a Maiden stack (as in steal all of the Maiden powers), she does all the killing. When she dies, the Maiden powers split and go into the four females who just happened to be in her thoughts when she dies... WBY and Nora.

That's how to get the four Maiden powers into the four non-Ruby females without having the protagonists kill any Maidens.

The danger we have is that Cinder is being set up to be obsessed with Ruby which would imply that the powers would go to Ruby if Cinder died — assuming the Silver Eyes don't make Ruby ineligible (which might be possible).

One option is that, because Cinder's hijacked the natural cycle of transfer, that removing Cinder restores the cycle and the power continues on its way (i.e., goes to someone who was last in the murdered Maiden's thoughts, or to someone random). Another is based on the question of what happens if the powers reunify in Cinder, rather than her holding four separate Maiden powers at the same time; after all, the powers were held inside a single individual once before (the Old Wizard); we don't know how natural that case was, and we don't know if they were four separate powers within one person or whether he split a single power into four in order to give it to the Maidens.

I could also see Raven getting maiden powers, because it seems very likely she would kill someone for power.

I don't. I think Raven would be too old. The rule for Maiden power transfer was given as being a 'young' woman — not all women will be eligible and no man will be eligible. Unfortunately, we don't know what 'young' is defined as here, or Qrow's comment about an 'old hag'. After all, his nieces do call him 'old'.... while that's something kids do, it does mean that the parent generation in this show may not be young enough for the Maiden power.

After all, Ozpin's soul transferred to Oscar, not to someone like Qrow (who's been behaving like Ozpin's protégé). If Ozpin and the Old Wizard are the same soul then the Maiden powers could be obeying the rule of the Old Wizard's soul, just with a gender/sex change to accommodate the 'gift'. If so, then Ozpin's soul merging with Oscar's may be an indication of which generations we can rule out for receiving the Maiden powers (the parent generation and upwards).

Note, that's receiving the Maiden powers. There may be a mother or two floating around who possess the Maiden powers simply because they've managed to live so long. After all, Ozpin was hardly young by any definition.

edited 31st Jul '17 10:34:15 AM by Wyldchyld

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#47097: Jul 31st 2017 at 10:45:13 AM

At the very least, I would think having a teenaged daughter disqualifies Raven from nearly every possible definition of the word Maiden her attitude doesn't already cover.

A little but of theory mix and match: Could the silver eyes indicate a different kind of connection to one or more maidens? For example, a direct descendant of a woman who had children while also possessing Maiden powers?

edited 31st Jul '17 10:47:05 AM by sgamer82

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#47098: Jul 31st 2017 at 11:23:25 AM

No I would think that would be something that predates the maidens. Silver-eyed warriors came before even huntsmen. I would think it should be something about as old as Grimm. It seems more like an adaptation that helped humans fight the Grimm, that's died out through assassination and constant fighting.

edited 31st Jul '17 11:27:30 AM by xanderiskander

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#47099: Jul 31st 2017 at 1:44:56 PM

My guess is that silver-eyed warriors predate the Maidens by a very long time. Glynda said Maidens have existed for thousands of years and implies the Brotherhood is so ancient it was in a position to force the Maidens to pass into legend. The Maidens, however, is a common - even beloved - childhood fairy story. Meanwhile, almost no-one has ever heard of any kind of silver-eyed warrior legend, suggesting that the silver eyes knowledge isn't just old enough to have passed into legend, it's old enough for the legend to have been almost completely forgotten.

The Two Brothers tale gives us a creation order that supports what Salem narrated during the pilot episode: plants/animals, Grimm, humanity. Note the tale's complete absence of any reference to Faunus, but this does strongly indicate silver eyes came in response to the Grimm.

Huntsmen, meanwhile, are only eighty years old, although the ability to harness Aura and reveal a Semblance will predate the Huntsmen and go right back to the origins of humanity. Note, however, that Salem's narration suggests that Aura and Semblance alone were not enough and that Dust is what gave humanity a fighting chance against the Grimm.

So, the Huntsmen may be the first large-scale, global attempt to structure the development of Aura and Semblance for combat. However, the origin of the Huntsmen does not appear to be directly as a result of the Grimm, but instead was driven by the Relics and, in particular, Salem (its entire structure, along with the simultaneous creation of the Vytal Festival, is a direct counter to Salem's divide-and-conquer tactics).

For me, the biggest implication that came out of both Hazel's comments in the first episode of Volume 4 and Qrow's talk with Team RNJR is that there may be a very specific reason why the silver-eyed warriors are so rare — not because of what Roman said about it being a Crapsack World where the heroes die young but is instead something Salem has ensured. That further suggests that something must have happened in the distant past that made the silver-eyed warriors such an unprecedented threat against her that she had to try and neutralise the threat of them wherever she could find them.

edited 31st Jul '17 1:49:00 PM by Wyldchyld

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#47100: Jul 31st 2017 at 4:21:06 PM

Huntsmen, meanwhile, are only eighty years old, although the ability to harness Aura and reveal a Semblance will predate the Huntsmen and go right back to the origins of humanity. Note, however, that Salem's narration suggests that Aura and Semblance alone were not enough and that Dust is what gave humanity a fighting chance against the Grimm.
In particular, a lot of Semblances seem to either be greatly enhanced or even outright require Dust to be useful- The Schnee family's glyphs seem to require it, for example, and Blakes shadows seem to need it if they're rendered in ice or so on.

edited 31st Jul '17 4:21:29 PM by Pulse

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