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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#47026: Jul 26th 2017 at 1:52:49 PM

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Kiefen MINE! from Germany Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
MINE!
#47027: Jul 26th 2017 at 2:08:40 PM

The pronunciation of Weiss is more or less correct but the way Schnee is pronounced is off. This is how Schnee is pronounced.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#47028: Jul 26th 2017 at 2:39:40 PM

... That's exactly how it's pronounced in the show....

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#47029: Jul 26th 2017 at 3:08:29 PM

Nyeeeeeeeeeeeh.

(for the record, Yang is my middle name and my mother's family name at birth- she comes from Chengdu- so I'm a little more attached to this sort of thing than most)

They have this problem with every language they use. I'm afraid it's something we have to live with. Speaking as a Welsh person, I can point out that, technically speaking, Qrow's surname is both pronounced and spelled incorrectly.

By spelling it 'Branwen' instead of 'Brânwen', they're accidentally saying 'blessed bran' instead of 'blessed crow'. Yes, that does mean the show's alcoholic is named after a healthy alternative to Pumpkin Pete's Marshmallow Flakes. But, hey, fermented wheat bran is alcoholic, too, so there we go.

That's exactly how it's pronounced in the show....

A couple of characters in the show don't. Professor Port (see the Badge and the Burden episode) pronounces it 'shuh-knee'. He's not the only one, but I'm choosing that episode example because his pronunciation was very jarring to my ears the first time I watched that episode.

edited 26th Jul '17 3:18:54 PM by Wyldchyld

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#47030: Jul 26th 2017 at 3:50:01 PM

[up] I guess we just have to mark it up to Americans being Americans and not caring about anything that isn't America and American English. It's one of the many reasons I tend to like watching anime in Japanese.

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#47031: Jul 26th 2017 at 6:45:56 PM

No, I don't think it's America-specific. I just think it's standard fare for anyone who is bringing in flavour to a story by tapping into languages around the world and, if you don't have a decent command of the languages you're tapping into (and most don't), you're inevitably going to make mistakes.

We have the 'Gratuitous X' language tropes for a reason, after all. It is a very common problem in storytelling — regardless of the language/culture of the story's creators. The only times you see no issues is if Write What You Know is at work (linguistically speaking) and most people are not Tolkien.

You mention watching anime in Japanese, so look at all the gratuitous (and incorrect) foreign language usage that Japanese manga creators use. tongue

edited 26th Jul '17 6:51:57 PM by Wyldchyld

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#47032: Jul 26th 2017 at 8:05:43 PM

[up] Touche.

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#47033: Jul 26th 2017 at 8:11:06 PM

Regarding Qrow and Raven's surname:

I coulda sworn that Welsh, like Gaelic, when transcribed can be spelt MANY different ways.

A couple of characters in the show don't. Professor Port (see the Badge and the Burden episode) pronounces it 'shuh-knee'. He's not the only one, but I'm choosing that episode example because his pronunciation was very jarring to my ears the first time I watched that episode.
Port is also a Large Ham and seems to pronounce things oddly multiple times.

edited 26th Jul '17 8:12:14 PM by BlackSunNocturne

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#47034: Jul 26th 2017 at 8:40:22 PM

Also Ryan IRL is bad at saying words

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#47035: Jul 26th 2017 at 8:44:49 PM

Like, it and Gavin's "gavinisms" are basically in-jokes/running gags in all their LP appearances.

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#47036: Jul 26th 2017 at 8:50:06 PM

I yearn for the episode where Sun just yells at Scarlet for 15 minutes

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#47037: Jul 27th 2017 at 2:40:33 PM

I coulda sworn that Welsh, like Gaelic, when transcribed can be spelt MANY different ways.

I'm not sure what you're referring to there. The only variable spelling I know of are when mutations kick in, for which there are rules of use. Qrow's surname is an example of mutation; it's made up of two words 'brân' (feminine noun) and 'gwyn' (masculine adjective). The feminine form of 'gwyn' is used ('gwen') and a meddal mutation drops the 'g' when pairing it with 'brân'.

The reason I said in my post that it was 'technically speaking' is because you will sometimes seem people dropping the circumflex from 'brân' — that's lazy writing, however; people will know what you mean, but it won't be considered good practice.

On the other hand, if you muddle the circumflex on 'gwyn' (gwŷn), you go from 'white, blessed' to 'lust, rage'... so, best not to get that one confused. [lol]

Port is also a Large Ham and seems to pronounce things oddly multiple times.

Yes, it's very much part of his bombastic style of speaking.

edited 27th Jul '17 2:47:29 PM by Wyldchyld

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WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#47038: Jul 27th 2017 at 4:55:29 PM

Long, long, ago:

Clan Patriarch: Our lust for bran flakes shall never be forgotten! From now on, we shall be the Brânwyn— Brangwyn— Breadwin— Branwyn— *passes out from drinking too much*

Qrow: And that's how our family got it's name.
Ruby: o.O
Yang: Pft! You just made that up!
Qrow: *shrugs and takes a drink*

edited 27th Jul '17 5:00:06 PM by WillDeRegio

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#47039: Jul 29th 2017 at 3:33:04 PM

... So, uh, ended up taking in this series in a pretty condensed binge thanks to a sleepless night and some pretty strong curiosity after the most improbable crossover ever was announced.

I've enjoyed it but don't know how much more to say.

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#47040: Jul 29th 2017 at 4:27:50 PM

Enjoying it is enough.

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A Fluff Ringer
#47041: Jul 29th 2017 at 5:04:35 PM

[up] Seconded. If you feel like you want to talk about anything in particular though, you could tell what you enjoyed the most. c:

edited 29th Jul '17 5:05:25 PM by FergardStratoavis

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#47042: Jul 29th 2017 at 5:09:18 PM

Well, you don't have to say any more than that, if you don't want to.

But, if you do, you could tell us which bits of it make it enjoyable for you. smile

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#47043: Jul 29th 2017 at 5:27:28 PM

I think it's just that the character writing clicked with me. The cast is interesting and there's a lot of chemistry within the core cast.

Remnant is an interesting setting and I like the rules for the local style of magic, too. Plus, the action is just my style!

Kinda mad about how borderline senseless Pyrrha's death was though.

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VoidsEmpathy Emissary of the Void from Realm of In-Between Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: A heart full of love
Emissary of the Void
#47044: Jul 30th 2017 at 8:20:44 AM

Not sure if I need to point this out in spoilers, but will do it anyway, if more people knew from the get-go that she's based on Achilles and would follow a similar tragic end, then the reactions should have been far less. Given that the creators had taken the time to build her up for the audience and suitably cut her down at the end of Vol. 3 shows how well they're doing that sort of thing.

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#47045: Jul 30th 2017 at 8:24:19 AM

[up]Agreed, in my view they've done more right than wrong when it comes to RWBY's plot. There's certainly room for improvement but I've found the previous volumes to be quite enjoyable.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#47046: Jul 30th 2017 at 9:19:10 AM

Question: How does Pyhrra equate to Achilles beyond a Greek name and badassitude? I could probably ask the same about how Fa Mulan becomes Li Ren.

edited 30th Jul '17 9:19:57 AM by sgamer82

VoidsEmpathy Emissary of the Void from Realm of In-Between Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: A heart full of love
Emissary of the Void
#47047: Jul 30th 2017 at 9:36:09 AM

Crossdressers, the lot of them tongue

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#47048: Jul 30th 2017 at 9:37:08 AM

That part I get. I just don't know how Achilles > Pyhrra Nikos or Fa Mulan > Lie Ren. Juane and Nora have names directly related to their references (Arc & Valkyrie), so I would expect there's some wordplay I'm not recognizing for the other two.

edited 30th Jul '17 9:38:07 AM by sgamer82

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#47049: Jul 30th 2017 at 9:43:36 AM

Yeah, there's a huuuuuge difference between "their name and character design is a vague reference" and "they're obviously going to follow the same character arc". And "they're following the same character arc" doesn't mean that it was a good idea. Pyrrha's death annoyed me mostly because it was a complete waste of the show's most interesting character. They built up this great story arc for her, then mooted the whole thing at the last second, then — instead of leaving her to deal with the fallout of that (which also would have been interesting!) — unceremoniously killed her off.

It doesn't help that the way they killed her off was also dumb. Like, what was she actually trying to accomplish? Even if she'd managed to kill Cinder (which everyone and their dog told her she couldn't, even before she got the rest of the Fall Maiden's powers), what would that have accomplished? It wouldn't have saved Beacon, certainly. Pyrrha up until that point had been the level-headed one, who was good at judging her own (and others') abilities in relation to the situation at hand. They had to throw all that out in order to make her go fight Cinder.

Ultimately, what bothers me most is that the whole thing feels less like a natural outcome of the character's personality and the situation they were put in, and more like the writers decided to kill her off and then did a poor job of justifying how she got into that situation.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#47050: Jul 30th 2017 at 9:52:43 AM

I guess what I mean is less "Pyrrha shouldn't have died" and more "Pyrrha should've accomplished more in the moments leading up to her death"? I'll admit this is my tastes more than anything, but aside from giving Cinder a moment of pause as an arrow stuck out of her body Pyrrha herself didn't manage much at all in her final battle- Her death lead to Ruby's super-power meltdown and all, yes, but I dunno, it'd have been nice if Pyrrha at least managed to hit Cinder's throat or something.

It's kinda weird how she keeps coming back outside the main show, though- Who knows, maybe this isn't truly the last we've seen of her.

edited 30th Jul '17 9:54:24 AM by Pulse

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