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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#46976: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:46:03 PM

Pretty sure they meant

actual looks

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46977: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:47:03 PM

[up][up]But those are just cosmetic similarities easily explained by how much she looks up to him. There's no family resemblance or anything, which is what people usually try and claim by going "They both have dark hair!" ignoring that the dark hair in question really isn't all that alike.

edited 22nd Jul '17 9:51:56 PM by LSBK

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#46978: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:48:46 PM

[up][up][up]None of the things you listed are hereditary traits... he was her mentor (not to mention close uncle) so it makes sense that they have would similarities.

edited 22nd Jul '17 9:48:59 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46979: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:51:16 PM

Speaking of which, I wouldn't be surprised if the reason she started looking up to him so much is that time when he save her and Yang from those grimm when they were kids. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the only thing she remembers about that situation.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#46980: Jul 22nd 2017 at 10:23:07 PM

So here's our misunderstanding. The person you were responding to said this:

Over all it kinda make sense rather that just said "hell some kid just dosent look like their parents"

You replied with:

No, it really doesn't. Some people don't resemble one parent while greatly favoring the other,...

Genetics is funny like that

You're insisting that the only meaningful resemblance be genetic. That's not what the original post described. So when you said this:

Which is another sticking point to me by the way, Ruby doesn't look more like Qrow than Taiyang, she looks basically identical to Summer, from what little we've seen of her.

I mistook that as contradicting my point, which was that Qrow and Ruby look alike.

Which it does, because I still say that Qrow has more similarities to Ruby than Summer does, but it doesn't, because I wasn't talking about genetic traits alone.

However, the point you're disagreeing with seemed to be more about those similarities meaning anything about parentage, which isn't what I'm saying. But since you responded with this:

But those are just cosmetic similarities easily explained by how much she looks up to him.

I'm going to say, no, they aren't just "easily explained cosmetic similarities." That's a series of similarities between their wardrobe in a show that takes a lot of effort to design each character, probably more than it takes to write a cohesive story arc. If this were some random anime where all the characters looked different and part of the lore didn't include a chapter about how the setting incorporates literal theme-naming for an entire generation of people following a great war of oppression, I'd let it go.

Saying "it's just because she looks up to him" isn't an easy explanation, it's blatant disregard for visual patterns. A skilled writer/designer doesn't establish something like that by accident. Qrow and Ruby look alike. Main thing is though it's not even about "being easily explained." You said Summer looks closer to Ruby than Qrow does. I'm saying you're wrong, because you're only looking at hereditary traits instead of their entire appearance. I've already listed out the similarities they have and Qrow definitely has more. That may change when Summer is properly introduced.

This isn't defending some wacky theory about how Ruby is actually Qrow's daughter. It's how Conservation of Detail is a thing and visual elements of this show probably aren't convenient accidents. This is one of the few consistent things the show does and it kind of bugs me that we seem to pass it off as coincidence.

edited 22nd Jul '17 10:30:32 PM by Soble

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46981: Jul 22nd 2017 at 10:33:05 PM

[up]...How did you get that the original post wasn't just about that? Because that's what I took from it. Maybe Unknowing could clarify, if they read this.

Regardless, even if that wasn't what that specific post was about, it's usually the sentiment I see in regards to the discussion, implying there's some great, or even small family resemblance between Ruby and Qrow (and no, that doesn't include clothes) that just isn't there.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#46982: Jul 22nd 2017 at 10:42:11 PM

I mentioned earlier that, personally, I kind of like the theory. That said, I don't know how likely it actually is for reasons mentioned already.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46983: Jul 22nd 2017 at 11:07:51 PM

I will say, I am expecting something along the lines of Qrow and Summer being a thing at some point. Or at least, they could have been, but Qrow ruined it so she moved on with her life with Taiyang.

edited 22nd Jul '17 11:08:33 PM by LSBK

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#46984: Jul 22nd 2017 at 11:10:20 PM

[up] Of course did he ruin it on purpose because of his Semblance, or did it just happen that way?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46985: Jul 22nd 2017 at 11:15:21 PM

Qrow very much comes as the noncommittal type. That's almost definitely partially related to his Semblance, but even outside of that, he and his sister probably just aren't the types to settle down. Evidently, it was not how they were raised, and things like that are hard to completely shake off.

edited 22nd Jul '17 11:16:23 PM by LSBK

KnightofLsama Since: Sep, 2010
#46986: Jul 23rd 2017 at 1:23:01 AM

Main thing is though it's not even about "being easily explained." You said Summer looks closer to Ruby than Qrow does. I'm saying you're wrong, because you're only looking at hereditary traits instead of their entire appearance. I've already listed out the similarities they have and Qrow definitely has more. That may change when Summer is properly introduced.

You're kind of shooting yourself in the foot here in what you're saying actually goes against what you're arguing. The fact you have to use weapons, clothing and accessories is an argument against Ruby and Qrow being related. In general when someone is talking about people looking alike, they're talking about their physical appearance and things like clothing only factor into it if they are (deliberately or coincidentally) dressed in such a way to enhance or downplay the physical resemblance.

So no, having similar themes and elements in their outfits and equipment =/= Ruby and Qrow look alike and to say that they do is to invite people to quote The Princess Bride at you.

Further more the similarity in their outfits does not provide evidence of any relationship beyond Qrow being a mentor and Honorary Uncle to Ruby because that is a sufficient explanation in of itself.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#46987: Jul 23rd 2017 at 6:31:22 AM

[up]my issue is that we ont really much about summer to said ruby look like her, also I find the idea "there is sufficent explanation" as more of NOT wanting the chararter to be related because it add more drama(which is weird because RT just give Weiss a brother exactly for more pointless drama) while the idea that she just look a lot like him for being kind of a fangirl sound....weird, hell ruby and wrow share a character trait and that is being somewhat anti social(for diferent reason of course)

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#46988: Jul 23rd 2017 at 9:18:04 AM

It make you ask how much tai really knows.

The other three members of Team STRQ have been shown or implied to have been involved in this Ozpin/Salem thing right up to their eyeballs. For the last member to somehow be clueless? No.

Usually, the character in a group that has been left for last turns out to be the most significant reveal of all. I don't know that Team STRQ is going to have any one individual that is any more significant than the others overall (with the possible exception of Summer), but they're all going to turn out to be extremely significant in different ways. Even with Qrow, who we've seen the most of, we don't know much about in terms of his true significance to Ozpin, so we've still got a lot of reveals to come about all four members of that team.

I'm completely confident that there's something very significant about Tai, relating to the whole Ozpin/Salem mess, that will be revealed in time.

Black hair tinged with red on the bottom

In that photo of Team STRQ, Summer's hair looks red-tinged grey to me. I know most people conclude her hair is black, but it really does look grey to me. Given that Monty originally considered making Ruby's hair grey, I'm wondering if the grey was given to Summer instead — especially since her overall appearance is more grey/white/red than Ruby's black/red (her skirt looks grey to me as well, not black). In fact, with the exception of Tai, Team STRQ all seem to be varying balances of white, black, grey and red, with Summer at the grey/red/white end, Raven at the black/red end, and Qrow in the middle with all four colours.

Tai was the odd one out - the team's sun to contrast with their moon, clouds and shadow look. That's another reason why I think he'll have his own unique significance.

But those are just cosmetic similarities easily explained by how much she looks up to him. There's no family resemblance or anything, which is what people usually try and claim by going "They both have dark hair!" ignoring that the dark hair in question really isn't all that alike.

And, ironically, for the Ruby/Qrow cosmetic comparison, given that the only thing they really have in common is a red cloak and cross: Ruby's cosmetic appearance actually has far more in common with Raven than with Qrow given that Ruby's colour scheme is very closely shared by Raven: they even share a preference for restrictive clothing around the torso (the corset for Ruby and the obi for Raven) that opens into a 'combat' skirt; the main difference between them is that Ruby dons a hooded cloak while Raven dons a mask.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#46989: Jul 23rd 2017 at 10:49:43 AM

[up]*exaggerated gasp* Does this mean... wild mass guessRaven is Ruby's father?!wild mass guess

Hey, at least it's a plot twist nobody would see coming... tongue

edited 23rd Jul '17 10:50:57 AM by WillDeRegio

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#46990: Jul 23rd 2017 at 3:15:41 PM

[up] Wow, someone who is finally on my wavelength. Come join me in the coveted - and highly exclusive - "Raven is Ruby's father" corner.

Well done, you!

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#46991: Jul 23rd 2017 at 3:24:26 PM

wild mass guessZwei is Ruby's grandfather, Summer's father. He Was Once a Man but was turned into a dog by Salem. This perfectly explains his unnatural intelligence. tongue

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#46992: Jul 23rd 2017 at 3:37:42 PM

[up][up][up][up]I now have a new head canon.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#46993: Jul 23rd 2017 at 4:06:43 PM

Man, this shaping up to be a really weird episode of Maury.

Mauve: Today on Mauve, we've got Ruby Rose, a 16-year-old girl whom three different people claim to be her father. And one of them... is a woman!
Ruby: Uncle Qrow, what does he mean by that?
Qrow: *shrugs*

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#46994: Jul 23rd 2017 at 5:57:45 PM

*exaggerated gasp* Does this mean... wild mass guessRaven is Ruby's father?!wild mass guess

Hey, at least it's a plot twist nobody would see coming... tongue

Wow, someone who is finally on my wavelength. Come join me in the coveted - and highly exclusive - "Raven is Ruby's father" corner.

Well done, you!

I remember reading a fanfic in which Raven was a futa and got busy with Summer while the guys were away... Would make as much sense since the FNDM's deciding of the Cast Full of Gay [lol]

[up][lol][lol][lol][lol]

edited 23rd Jul '17 5:59:55 PM by BlackSunNocturne

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#46995: Jul 23rd 2017 at 6:23:20 PM

Anyone hear about the drama with RT and Glynda's voice actor?

Just Makima.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#46996: Jul 23rd 2017 at 6:25:52 PM

Assume we haven't (I actually haven't)

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#46997: Jul 23rd 2017 at 6:31:25 PM

Pretty sure that happened awhile ago.

VoidsEmpathy Emissary of the Void from Realm of In-Between Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: A heart full of love
Emissary of the Void
#46998: Jul 23rd 2017 at 7:19:05 PM

It's brought up before, definitely. My guess is that it happened before the VA did her lines for Tex in the current season of Red vs Blue. Don't quote me on that, I could very well be wrong. It's also part of why we may no longer have her as Glynda's VA for the main show or in future episodes of Chibi. I don't know if the company plans on hiring someone else if the writers feel the need to maintain her relevance.

edited 23rd Jul '17 7:19:54 PM by VoidsEmpathy

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#46999: Jul 23rd 2017 at 7:19:51 PM

What happened?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
VoidsEmpathy Emissary of the Void from Realm of In-Between Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: A heart full of love
Emissary of the Void
#47000: Jul 23rd 2017 at 7:21:29 PM

I honestly don't know. It could have been some drama with her having some issues with RT, but if someone has a source or two to clarify, I'd appreciate it.

Now that I think about it, Bart and Peter mentioned that Glynda was stuck helping with rebuilding efforts as part of her being Put on a Bus....If that's how the trope works. Am I thinking of something else?

edited 23rd Jul '17 7:24:33 PM by VoidsEmpathy

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