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Prime_of_Perfection Where force fails, cunning prevails Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#46951: Jul 22nd 2017 at 12:23:22 PM

@Morninstar The superficial elements of the theory and question of why even do that is part of why I question it, but I'm coming to accept that theories aren't often thought out anyway in relation to the actual products, so I'm just going to shrug it off.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#46952: Jul 22nd 2017 at 12:28:22 PM

I could definitely see a "why" for how to do it. Can add some interesting elements to Qrow's and Ruby's relationship. A father who gives his child to another to raise because his powers and choice of path guarantee she's not safe being near him is a perfectly compelling idea to me. That's not even getting into the implications such a situation would bring to Summer Rose.

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#46953: Jul 22nd 2017 at 12:34:23 PM

I'm pretty sure you can make a lot of jokes with Adam. We haven't seen enough of Raven though.

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#46954: Jul 22nd 2017 at 1:07:20 PM

There's been a Raven joke in every Chibi skit. The joke is that she isn't there.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46955: Jul 22nd 2017 at 2:13:16 PM

My biggest thing against the theory is, besides nothing actually indicating or implying it, is that it wouldn't even be necessary. Nothing we've found out, not even Qrow's bad luck semblance, actually provides a suitable reason for why they couldn't at least tell her. It'd be drama for drama's sake and not anything actually meaningful.

But, I've come to realize that most fans don't actually think about these things and just go "Qrow is cool! He should totally be Ruby's father!" regardless of how little sense that actually makes. It's basically the same reason you had people insisting that Sokka had to be the father of at least one of Toph's daughters.

edited 22nd Jul '17 2:41:37 PM by LSBK

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#46956: Jul 22nd 2017 at 2:36:10 PM

[up]Agreed. The theory isn't really supported by evidence and IMO both doesn't make sense and wouldn't benefit the plot.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46957: Jul 22nd 2017 at 2:43:06 PM

Also, on Ruby leaving Tai a letter, I don't think that was supposed to be implying emotional distance on her part. Just that, well, if she told him what she was going to do, he'd definitely try and stop her.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#46958: Jul 22nd 2017 at 2:49:30 PM

[up]sure bit it just pile up how little Ruby have with taiyang, not having any kind of color mofit and so own....it just feel out.

Also for most part Ruby is the only person Qrow treat with kindess, even he a be a little blunt ok Yang but with her he barely hold is usual persona.

Over all it kinda make sense rather that just said "hell some kid just dosent look like their parents"

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46959: Jul 22nd 2017 at 3:17:20 PM

No, it really doesn't. Some people don't resemble one parent while greatly favoring the other, and "cool uncle" has been Qrow's thing to begin with. More so with Ruby, but also with Yang.

Genetics is funny like that, especially in fiction where it can be however the author wants. Which is another sticking point to me by the way, Ruby doesn't look more like Qrow than Taiyang, she looks basically identical to Summer, from what little we've seen of her.

Speaking of which, I've actually seen people seriously discuss Ruby being Summer's reincarnation or something as if that's actually possible.

edited 22nd Jul '17 3:18:06 PM by LSBK

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#46960: Jul 22nd 2017 at 3:19:05 PM

Which also sparks more of "Qrow is Ruby's real father" talk. Because people will not let that go no matter what.
If it's the comment I saw then it sounded like they just thought of it. It's a very easy theory to come up with mostly for superficial reasons.

Also, on Ruby leaving Tai a letter, I don't think that was supposed to be implying emotional distance on her part.
I would think Qrow shooing Tai away to talk with Ruby in private about her silver eyes would be the bigger hint toward it. There's no particular reason Tai shouldn't be part of that conversation, since he clearly knows about it after mentioning she did a number on the Grimm earlier. So it's not like it's some big secret.

edited 22nd Jul '17 3:20:15 PM by xanderiskander

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46961: Jul 22nd 2017 at 3:21:06 PM

Probably because the real reason Qrow wanted to talk to her was to "hint" that she should go off on her own to Haven to find answers and try and help (and also apparently use her as bait), and Taiyang wouldn't like that, as we saw.

edited 22nd Jul '17 3:21:30 PM by LSBK

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#46962: Jul 22nd 2017 at 3:51:40 PM

There's likely another reason, for Tai to be understanding about them having a private moment. He could have easily just brushed Qrow off, but instead he grits his teeth in annoyance and leaves. And in the beginning, Qrow seemed really sentimental when he asked him.

My personal theory is that Qrow blames his Semblance for Summer's death, and he feels like he has to atone through Ruby.

edited 22nd Jul '17 3:58:05 PM by xanderiskander

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#46963: Jul 22nd 2017 at 4:27:12 PM

Speaking of which, I've actually seen people seriously discuss Ruby being Summer's reincarnation or something as if that's actually possible.

This is explicitly a thing (sort of) in Steven Universe so don't dismiss it as a possibility just because it makes no sense. It's also a thing in Dragon Ball with Piccolo Daimaou and Piccolo Jr.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46964: Jul 22nd 2017 at 4:29:50 PM

Well, yeah, but it makes sense in those series. Unless they go the route of Summer's aura somehow being absorbed by Ruby or something... is that a thing people have speculated about?

edited 22nd Jul '17 4:34:26 PM by LSBK

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#46965: Jul 22nd 2017 at 4:29:51 PM

iirc Steven Universe kills Rose when she gives birth (or something, I need to play catchup) with some weird Gem stuff going on, while Picciolo was in the process of dying when he reincarnated.

Pretty sure Summer was around for a couple years after Ruby was born before getting offed. Reincarnation typically precludes you from coexisting with your next incarnation.

edited 22nd Jul '17 4:40:10 PM by Karxrida

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#46966: Jul 22nd 2017 at 4:30:40 PM

[up][up][up]Just because it's possible in two unrelated works doesn't mean that it's possible in RWBY, and I don't believe there has been any evidence that reincarnation is possible.

edited 22nd Jul '17 4:30:47 PM by Fourthspartan56

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#46967: Jul 22nd 2017 at 4:38:38 PM

In that instance, do we know if all four Maidens are accounted for?

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#46968: Jul 22nd 2017 at 4:43:15 PM

We don't know anything about the Summer and Winter maidens as far as I know, but Spring is the only one anyone seems worried about. Qrow made it seem like she had been missing.

edited 22nd Jul '17 4:44:46 PM by xanderiskander

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#46969: Jul 22nd 2017 at 5:12:55 PM

I would think Qrow shooing Tai away to talk with Ruby in private about her silver eyes would be the bigger hint toward it. There's no particular reason Tai shouldn't be part of that conversation, since he clearly knows about it after mentioning she did a number on the Grimm earlier. So it's not like it's some big secret.

I believe that the reason Qrow didn't want Tai to be there for that conversation was because he knew he was going to be having a conversation that Tai wouldn't like. That's why Tai glared at him as they passed. He knew he was going to regret this.

Qrow's conversation with Ruby has nothing to do with what Tai knows. It's all about manipulating Ruby into running off to Haven.

In that instance, do we know if all four Maidens are accounted for?

As far as we know, the Summer and Winter Maidens haven't been mentioned (at least not in a fashion we recognise if there have been hints).

The Spring Maiden has been mentioned. It sounds like she's been hidden away because she's somehow the end piece of the chess game — if Salem gets her, it's all over for Ozpin's group. It's also been very strongly implied that Ozpin gave Raven the responsibility of keeping Spring hidden.

So... my expectation is that Spring is hiding in plain sight.

So... here's a head canon of mine: the reason Nora is an orphan is because she's the next Spring Maiden (yes, I know Nora was created before the Maidens were, this just a head canon - one of several). Among Thor's lesser known attributes are that he was a fertility god (and fertility gods are often associated with Spring) and that he was the protector of the Seasons. Nora's symbol is the heart. This head canon of mine gets paired with the head canon that Weiss, Nora, Yang and Blake will end up becoming the Four Maidens.

That said, Nora could fulfil the Thor role more literally by becoming the protector of the Seasons (as in the girls concerned) and Velvet will always be a candidate in the fandom's mind for a potential future Spring Maiden, if only because of the Easter Bunny.

Still, head canons about identity aside, I won't be surprised if the Spring Maiden turns out to have been hiding in plain sight. It's how Princess Ozma was hidden away by the Wizard of Oz (magic was used to disguise her as a boy, and she was travelling with Dorothy's group for a while until people found out the truth — this was news to Ozma as well, as she didn't know she was really a girl, let alone the heir to the throne).

When Oscar first entered the story, I wasn't sure if he was going to be something to do with Ozpin or a version of Princess Ozma (ie, the Spring Maiden magically disguised as a boy)... or both. Fans speculate that he might end up becoming the new P of JNPR. Given JNPR's theme, Oscar would need to fit that theme, and we'd be back to Ozma again.

I'm hoping he doesn't end up joining JNPR, however — that would make him one hell of a child prodigy even when compared to Ruby, although it's pretty much guaranteed that he's going to be a prodigy given his situation.

edited 22nd Jul '17 5:44:06 PM by Wyldchyld

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#46970: Jul 22nd 2017 at 5:54:20 PM

Qrow's conversation with Ruby has nothing to do with what Tai knows. It's all about manipulating Ruby into running off to Haven.
Not really sure where you guys are getting that he was manipulating her. Ruby was never the type to stay put anyway. He just told her where to start when she asked.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46971: Jul 22nd 2017 at 5:58:19 PM

He knew exactly how she would react though, and it was the reaction he wanted. He could have just answered her questions about what happened at the school without going all "Well, I'm doing this, but if I were in your shoes, *nudge, nudge..."

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#46972: Jul 22nd 2017 at 6:15:00 PM

And just have her wander aimlessly instead? That doesn't sound like a good idea either.

Also I don't remember it ever being indicated it was his plan for Ruby to lure out WTCH either. In fact I don't think he wanted to have to reveal himself to Ruby at all.

edited 22nd Jul '17 6:16:13 PM by xanderiskander

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46973: Jul 22nd 2017 at 6:36:15 PM

The way it was framed when Jaune accused him of it basically confirmed it. When people say "it's complicated" the way he did, that just means they were doing what they were called out for but don't want to admit it.

And I don't think she would have wandered around aimlessly. If he hadn't have given her any direction, she probably wouldn't have left, at least not so soon.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#46974: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:03:26 PM

I think another issue s that qrow would end revealing Stuff like the silver eye warrior or ozpin nature or whatever backstory he share with Summer.

It make you ask how much tai really knows.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#46975: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:42:02 PM

Raven doesn't have changing purple/red eyes (that we know of). She's just been shown with red eyes

My mistake.

Ruby doesn't look more like Qrow than Taiyang, she looks basically identical to Summer, from what little we've seen of her.

Ruby and Summer:

  • Silver eyes
  • Black hair tinged with red on the bottom
  • Hooded cloak.
  • Black skirt/outfit under a brighter cloak
  • Little dash of red under her cloak

Ruby and Qrow:

  • Red cloak, Ruby's is tattered similar to Qrow's
  • Grayish eyes/Silver eyes (Ozpin points this out in the first epis...
    • ...wait, is Qrow a silver-eyed warrior? Can he freeze Grimm too?)
  • Scythe weapon with 3 known forms
  • Cross-shaped emblem located on the chest
  • Outfits that expose the upper chest slightly
  • Fighting style (frequently using their weapons for propulsion and balance)

edited 22nd Jul '17 9:50:01 PM by Soble

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