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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#46876: Jul 19th 2017 at 11:16:52 AM

[up] If you find separating weapon tropes like that, then look at Dissidia Final Fantasy character page.

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#46877: Jul 19th 2017 at 11:18:38 AM

[up] Good grief.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#46878: Jul 19th 2017 at 11:29:51 AM

[up][up]Wow. Just... wow. surprised


I'm in agreement that the villains page should be split-up.

Sticking eveyone and everything that classifies as an antagonist onto the same page just doesn't work so well when there are so many of them.

edited 19th Jul '17 11:32:21 AM by WillDeRegio

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#46879: Jul 19th 2017 at 2:07:38 PM

Cinder Is A Jerk: http://imgur.com/a/uo06j [lol]

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#46880: Jul 19th 2017 at 4:41:13 PM

The split in Dissidia makes some sense. Some people might want information on that character's role in the story while others might want information on how that character plays. I could see the split actually being useful.

In the case of RWBY, there's no point. Just merge the examples have the info on their weapon be another paragraph in their bio.

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#46881: Jul 19th 2017 at 4:43:26 PM

Weapons aren't characters (sentient ones notwithstanding). Unless they have plot importances (e.g. the One Ring, which isn't technically a weapon by w/e), they shouldn't have dedicated sections. Just merge their trope list with their owners' entries.

edited 19th Jul '17 4:47:51 PM by Karxrida

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#46882: Jul 19th 2017 at 5:54:35 PM

Problem is villains tropes keep getting added on there won't be much room left.

Just Makima.
Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#46883: Jul 19th 2017 at 6:01:42 PM

The page hasn't approached the size limit yet, but a split is probably necessary anyway for organization purposes.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#46884: Jul 19th 2017 at 9:24:05 PM

I'm... I'm not really bothered by this.

Ruby's weapon, described as a "High Velocity Sniper-Scythe". As this suggests, its a large scythe that also fires high-caliber sniper rifle ammo. In addition, its blade angle can change — usually relative to Ruby's momentum — effectively turning it into a war glaive (a polearm with an inwardly-curving sword-like blade on the end).

Absurd Cutting Power: It's sharp enough for her to cut trees nonchalantly. Against Grimm, though, she has to exert more effort. Ace Custom: Ruby built Crescent Rose herself. Apparently, everyone in Signal creates their own weapons. Ruby admits that she may have gone overboard on designing it.

Audible Sharpness: Crescent Rose literally hums as it slices through the air.

BFG: When her weapon is in rifle form, the gun alone is almost as long as her body. When the weapon transforms into a scythe, it unfolds to its full length; the blade alone is the same height as her, the handle is at least half as long again, and she can still use it as a gun.

Blade Brake: Ruby stops her flight by striking the blade of her scythe to the ground. Also used to mitigate the recoil of shots when she focuses on shooting, or fight while in heels.

Blade on a Stick: The scythe blade can be realigned to sit straighter along the end of the handle thus extending its reach by making it into a glaive.

Companion Cube: Ruby hugs Crescent Rose when Yang asks if her weapon isn't good enough when she's appreciating everyone else's. She goes even further in episode 4 when she calls it sweetheart while cuddling and caressing it.

Dramatic Gun Cock: It seems to cock solely for intimidation factor, seeing as it's a bolt-action rifle which has enough technological advancements to transform into a functional scythe.

Drop the Hammer: The "Back" end of the scythe can be used for this, as she demonstrates in her fight with the mobsters in Episode 1. Everything's Better with Spinning: She does a lot of spins with the scythe (often aided by Recoil Boost), and with a weapon that massive with that design, it works pretty well.

Exotic Weapon Supremacy: When Ozpin sees Crescent Rose he describes it as being one of the most dangerous types of weapon ever designed.

Mix-and-Match Weapon: The weapon can transform between a rifle and scythe mode, but it can be used as a scythe and rifle at the same time. Ruby very often takes advantage of the rifle's recoil to augment her great speed, maximising her velocity just before she cuts the opponent with her scythe.

Mundane Utility: She's seen using it to prop up some curtains. Its hilt is a very sharp hook, and while it CAN stab things, Ruby uses it to hold up turkey to feed her dog.

Named Weapon: As with all of the members of Team RWBY, her weapon is named. Strangely, however, Crescent Rose is the only weapon name explicitly mentioned in-universe as of Volume 2.

Recoil Boost: Many of the moves Ruby pulls off are propelled by Crescent Rose's recoil.

Retractable Weapon: The scythe actually folds into the gun itself. Aside from that, two hooks on the back of the blade can fold forward to turn the scythe into a war glaive.

Sniper Rifle: Crescent Rose can be turned into a bolt action sniper rifle.

Swiss Army Weapon: Ruby's weapon is a sniper rifle that can transform into a scythe. Even in the scythe form, she can still use it as a gun and often uses the gun recoil to help empower strength her scythe swings.

That's a lot of merging and rewriting you'd have to do. Convenience, yo.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#46885: Jul 19th 2017 at 10:18:16 PM

I'm not bothered by it because it doesn't really matter but there's no reason for it.

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Thelastwarrior Since: Jun, 2017
#46886: Jul 20th 2017 at 7:15:47 AM

shouldnt some of the mechanical enemies be put under the SDC page?

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#46887: Jul 20th 2017 at 10:19:01 AM

[up] (2)

Then there's no reason to get rid of it either. It's not consuming a giant amount of space, it's not poorly-worded or full of errors, it's not attacking anyone or discussing NSFW material. The work it would take to merge it into the article and reword it would make the individual character sections bloated.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#46888: Jul 20th 2017 at 10:50:06 AM

[up] I know. I'm just saying that my vote is to get rid of it because it serves no purpose even though its existence is not harming anything. That's just the way I feel.

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#46889: Jul 20th 2017 at 1:47:04 PM

Cinder Is A Jerk: http://imgur.com/a/uo06j [lol]

"But time will never go back to save you"? In this show? With time manipulation a thing in this show? At the moment, I've got a head canon where eventually the kids will have to go back in time to correct a great wrong, wind up in the Great War, and the King of Vale who unleashed the Apocalypse on the world will turn out to be Jaune and he'll become his own great-grandfather.

Because time.


I raised the subject, so I have no problem taking on the workload unless someone else wants to do it. I'll do it in a sandbox of the character/weapon splits before touching main pages anyway, if for no other reason than the fact it's a lot of changes. I can run it by everyone to see if it's preferred; and if it's not, and people decide to stick with the splits as is, that's no problem either.

I'll only do it if there's a consensus to do it, however. My main issue is really that the same subjects keep getting discussed in multiple different (and unnecessary ways) purely because of an unnecessary split in the page - it creates redundancy because of the way the page is sectioned.

In the case of splitting up the Villains, I just think it's an organisational issue right now. The page may not be at its limit, but it's got so much content on it and there's no structure — it's just become a dumping ground for anything that's even vaguely 'antagonistic'. I've never created new pages before, however, so that would definitely be a case of playing around with sandboxes and seeing what people think of the page splits.

edited 20th Jul '17 1:56:27 PM by Wyldchyld

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Prime_of_Perfection Where force fails, cunning prevails Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#46890: Jul 20th 2017 at 2:33:00 PM

[up][up] I'm for getting rid of them too. Purely because they aren't characters.

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Darthwyn leader of Inherit from The void Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#46891: Jul 20th 2017 at 2:53:31 PM

I would say Crescent Rose is a weapon one could make a compelling argument to keep since ruby does treat it like family. That and it is the only weapon with an actual last name.

"Shall I use you, or make you mine... I'm not so sure what I'll do." - Dorthy
Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#46892: Jul 20th 2017 at 4:30:28 PM

I have the headcanon that she's treated it as a girlfriend and as her baby, such as talking it on dates and washing it like a baby, tucking it into it's own bed, etc.

edited 20th Jul '17 4:41:18 PM by Shaoken

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#46893: Jul 20th 2017 at 5:31:16 PM

[up]Well, that's a headcanon I'm adopting.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
Darthwyn leader of Inherit from The void Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#46895: Jul 20th 2017 at 6:11:32 PM

[up][up][up] that is headcanon I can also adopt.

"Shall I use you, or make you mine... I'm not so sure what I'll do." - Dorthy
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#46896: Jul 20th 2017 at 6:16:04 PM

Wait, wouldn't it be weird for her to see is as both her lover and her child?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Prime_of_Perfection Where force fails, cunning prevails Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Where force fails, cunning prevails
#46897: Jul 20th 2017 at 6:52:46 PM

Yeah, fantasies aside, her weapon isn't a character and she barely focuses on it anyway. That's still adding more to it than needed, especially since based off of flanderizing something minor.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#46898: Jul 20th 2017 at 7:17:33 PM

[up]Absolutely, but I don't believe anyone was suggesting that their headcanon should effect whether or not her weapon gets a character page.

[down]Same.

edited 20th Jul '17 8:07:19 PM by Fourthspartan56

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Darthwyn leader of Inherit from The void Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#46899: Jul 20th 2017 at 8:06:49 PM

I just assumed we were all having a good laugh to varying degrees and not suggesting headcanon be used as a factor.

Though on a series note it is the only weapon with a last name and really the only weapon that seems to be treated more than just a weapon or tool.

"Shall I use you, or make you mine... I'm not so sure what I'll do." - Dorthy
Thelastwarrior Since: Jun, 2017
#46900: Jul 20th 2017 at 10:17:58 PM

I'm for getting rid of them too. Purely because they aren't characters.

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