I don't think that Bumblebee makes a particularly compelling relationship (nor a particularly bad one either, I see no real reason to latch onto it besides just the social justice platform), but I have to admit this is one situation where I actually think going "queerbaiting" might be an at least halfway justifiable reaction.
edited 5th Jul '17 2:15:40 PM by LSBK
I agree it's more applicable, even though I'm of the opposite mind where I hate the ship due to the fandom. I feel like the main appeal for it is the gayness and social justice. But that's its whole other things. I do think the creators shouldn't have played around with the fandom as much as they have if they aren't going to payoff those emotions. Either make clear it's not going to happen early and just crush those fans or just do nothing and let them stick within their own fantasies. Don't encourage it if you aren't going to actually give it.
Improving as an author, one video at a time.Yeah, I didn't think the ship had much chance of being canon and so was annoyed when they kept teasing it & apprehensive about what the reaction might be if the ship sinks.
Doesn't make the overreactions justified, and the part of the fandom doing it are incredibly irritating, but RT have really been poking the hornet's nest with it.
Since early on I have wondered if they might canonize it due to pressure from fans, because the following it got was quite vocal and adamant that it would be canon. RT doesn't seem like that kind of company, buuuut this level of outrage does make me wonder how much influence it could have.
Honestly, none of the potential romantic relationships in this series would be particularly compelling simply because neither the plot or the characters are terribly compelling so you might as well just pick whichever couple you want based purely off of whoever you just want to see together or any reason. All of the most popular ships can be at least decent and I honestly don't expect any more from them.
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Yeah this wouldn't be a problem if they didn't keep teasing it, it just seems so avoidable.
Eh, I find the plot to be compelling (or at-least interesting). But I agree that I don't really find the romantic plot(s) to be very compelling, but I doubt I would find them compelling regardless of how they're written.
edited 5th Jul '17 2:23:06 PM by Fourthspartan56
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Yeah, don't forget that Bumblebee and White Rose were popular before the show even came out just on the basis of being hot shippable girls who look cute together. But White Rose isn't anywhere near what Bumblebee is because it hasn't gotten all of the out-of-universe tease.
For me it's just the gayness. :p
I didn't know what "Bumblebee" was and when I found out it represented Yang and Blake the color coordination just seemed cute. Sun and Blake have the more obvious romantic connection/character development. It's just fun in a sick way to root for Blake and Yang instead because Sun is, well, he's not my favorite character.
I don't really know whose overreacting or what comments these people are reading that demand a hard Twitter response. I mean they probably exist but... like with people saying that the Sonic fandom is some unruly, tumorous mass unlike any other fandom that has ever existed, I feel like the claim that "people overanalyze the songs in RWBY to validate their ship's existence" is exaggerated.Then again I don't frequent the RWBY reddit.
I overanalyze the songs because they actually seem to be important and, on more than one occasion, have hinted at something that was vaguely described in the show or hint at deeper motivations for certain characters (Volume 2 and 3's intros, Die, Red Like Roses Part II, I'm The One, Bad Luck Charm, etc). To not have those lyrics mean anything is just an incredible waste of time and talent.
Besides, there's a song about Blake and Sun and there's a song about Blake and Yang. I think it's cute that they can acknowledge both romantic pairings without invalidating the other. All these ships can co-exist.
edited 5th Jul '17 2:45:05 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!@Zelenal I agree on romance when it comes to this series overall. The only one I'd argue for is Renora, but it's not something I'm even mildly passionate about.
Also do agree the fandom stuff doesn't help. That's part of my problem with those sides of fandoms. I don't care if someone features LGBT couples or whatever. My issue comes down to fans acting like moral bullies, championing their cause as some justified thing that must be featured. It feels too authoritarian to me. It's also why I don't want it featured. It's clear that wasn't the plan and I rather they improve on executing what the actual plan is instead of caving into those types of demands.
Hell, that's one of the two reasons I hate Korrasami and hate when it's cited as proof that whatever gay ship can happen. Or nobody will ever hear me complain about, say, Steven Universe with such inclusions of such relationships since my issue isn't with the actual act itself, it's with the fandoms.
Of course, it goes beyond RWBY, it's just a symptom of the thing and I should probably stop here before I go into a full rant as this has eaten at me for some time. Especially when people assume my issues are with the cause and not the tactics.
Regardless, fans aren't entitled to such things & Bumblebee is overrated anyway, but the creators should have never played with those feelings because this was the only logical conclusion. I think acknowledging that they like it as well would have been fine, but adding in that it isn't reflected in actual canon and why not would have been a diplomatic way to approach it. Of course, some would still act as they do, but that just comes with the territory.
@Soble I respect your honesty!
When people are honest about the former and don't use the latter (particularly when I feel it's a pretext to justify things), I'm more cool with it since, hey, we're all allowed to have our fantasies. Hell, I've had my own with series. I just wouldn't feel right pressuring the creators to cater to my fantasies.
edited 5th Jul '17 2:46:07 PM by Prime_of_Perfection
Improving as an author, one video at a time.Question...
When are fans ever not the problem?
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Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.The way I see it, when it comes to shipping, the only thing that really matters is whatever gives you, the consumer, the most joy in seeing. Even if it's a ship that can never possibly be canon, it doesn't really matter. That's what fan fiction and fan art is for. It only becomes a problem when people start acting pissy because their favorite ship wasn't elevated to canon status. It's understandable to be disappointed but there's no reason to declare an entire series ruined because your OTP didn't become a thing (unless it's a romance series in which case that reaction is entirely justifiable).
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!I admit, I don't watch RWBY for the relationship drama, such as it is. I don't mind it, because it's obviously not going away, but it's not something I think this show does particularly well.
Which is partially why (besides general indifference to romance in most media) being passionate about any ship except Renora is almost baffling to me. But shippers gotta ship, I guess...
edited 5th Jul '17 3:07:26 PM by LSBK
I don't do shipping, but if I had to choose a guilty crack ship, it would probably be Oobleck and Port. Because why the hell not?
I suppose that ship name would have to be Vinho Verde (Green Wine).
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.But the point is that the fans don't care about what is canon...
So the ridiculous thing is when they care about what actually happens in-universe...
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Very true, at-least this is believable
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