That... could almost be awesome if done properly.
And I don't mean in a fetishist way.
The first half crossed my mind when we first saw her enter the room at the beginning of Volume 4. And it would fit in with a theme associated with the Japanese supernatural (anime-esque).
I didn't think of it in terms of the second half. What if her entire dress isn't a dress but a part of her? Like Changeling clothing in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
Port and Oobleck, surely? Didn't you see the way they were gazing into each other's eyes when Port told his story at the school ball? And they spent their off-duty time together, too. Squee
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How am I doing on the crazy fangirl front?
Well, to be honest, that cliché isn't limited to anime. It's an extremely common western cliché, too.
That's typical 'male author cliché' material.
I know people look first to anime tropes for the show, and with good reason, but I've always felt there are more anime-esque tropes in terms of visuals than dialogue and plot, which tend to use tropes that are common to many storytelling cultures, both east and west (and north and south, for that matter). So, yes, you will find them in anime - but you'll find them everywhere else, too.
edited 1st Jun '17 10:01:28 AM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.I agree with you on that last point. RWBY certainly looks like an anime but it doesn't really feel like one outside of fights and some small bits here and there. I honestly can't think of any character that has displayed a trait that is pretty much strictly found in anime. Ruby's Sacrificed Basic Skill for Awesome Training is the closest example I can think of but it's very much a borderline case because it crops up in a fair number of western works, too.
Actually, now that I think about it, the only example I can think of in anime is Son Goku and he didn't really have any say in the matter.
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Kinda but the devil is in the details as certain works repeat some point were you can see how it applies.
in western works the rival is usually a bad figure and the bully, like flash thompson, is expy, the plastic in mean girls and so own, Cardin is the typical western chararter: he is mean to jaune and....nothing more.
Eastern one or anime tend to use the rival as parner to generate friction but very few time he is antagonistic, think Gary oak in pokemon, sasuke in pokemon, Vegeta kinda fit the bill tone and almost all lancer in digimon(the one in saber is really blatant example) and Ruby and Weiss fix more that: she is energetic,loud,somewhat childish and have a "let do it!" which is tipical of shonen while Weiss tend to be more nonsense which is typical for the rival and the lancer, usually with a red oni blue oni(which is more blant by weiss and ruby colors)
and about Jaune and Phyrra....kinda, in anime usually the main protagonist dosent do much(being there so the public can self insert) and women fall on him because of is generic niceness while western male fantasy tend to hit over and over until somehow it clicks, considering how Phyrra is the ace I think it goes more for otaku bait than a western one.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"It wasn't exactly being nice though considering everyone is nice which is the problem since phyrra's celebrity status tends to make most people suck up to her or place her own a pedestal and Jaune pretty much ignored her existence in their first encounter and treated her like a regular person.
"Shall I use you, or make you mine... I'm not so sure what I'll do." - DorthyEastern one or anime tend to use the rival as parner to generate friction but very few time he is antagonistic, think Gary oak in pokemon, sasuke in pokemon, Vegeta kinda fit the bill tone and almost all lancer in digimon(the one in saber is really blatant example) and Ruby and Weiss fix more that: she is energetic,loud,somewhat childish and have a "let do it!" which is tipical of shonen while Weiss tend to be more nonsense which is typical for the rival and the lancer, usually with a red oni blue oni(which is more blant by weiss and ruby colors)
Eh, I'm used to seeing both types in western storytelling. I have seen less of the first type in anime, but I've seen plenty of the second type in western storytelling, to the point where I'd be hard pressed to say it's less common than the first type. At least, that's my experience anyway.
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what I mean with nice in a general way, not because of her fame(which jaunce seen to know little actually) jaunce dosent do anything diferent except treat her the same way it treat everyone, that is why I said anime otaku bait, he just act like he is and that get him the atention of the most popular girl.
edited 1st Jun '17 1:03:15 PM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"What'd people like about Blake's arc? Because TBH it didn't have a huge effect on me. I liked the parts where Blake was feeling guilty about her past and feeling conflicted about disappointing her parents, but that's only a small part of it. Sun left no impression on me. The white fang and the Chameleon girl came off as really flat to me, because they weren't given much time to do anything, IIRC there were some vague hints from the two White Fang guys of Adam coming back, but it didn't feel like he was an urgent danger by the end of it.
I thought Weiss's arc had some of the best character dynamics in it. Jacque and Ironwood were great. Whitely and Weiss were great. The hints at the situation with the mom were great. It's not the strongest arc I could imagine for Weiss. But I can see it going somewhere later, with her deciding she doesn't need any inheritance, and making her own way with her own ambition like her grandfather did.
Ren and Nora's flashback isn't too fresh in my mind, but I remember liking it, and appreciating their connection a lot more.
Weiss's arc came off as by far the flattest to me. The most obvious, and boring route to go with her father and brother. Ironwood was barely a part of it, and some of the things they were implying just didn't make sense from what we were actually shown.
The only hint about the situation with her mother was a single line implying she has a drinking problem that's never brought up again. She wasn't important as far as the story was concerned, at least not yet.
Basically everything you said about Blake's arc could be said of Weiss', except worse.
edited 1st Jun '17 2:05:26 PM by LSBK
Maybe it's just a matter of what characters people like then. Sun's never interested me to start with, so that's probably a big part of it. I don't even really find him to be much of a good comedic character. And I liked Blake's moments, it just didn't seem like there were enough of them to leave a big impression on me.
On the other hand interpersonal politics is something I get interested in. And I probably give the show more slack on character depth/originality than I should because of it being an internet show.
edited 1st Jun '17 2:24:35 PM by xanderiskander
Sun and everything he did is about all the negatives i have for Blake's story. Weiss's story is weak in content, but that's less a concern to me as the unneeded time skip in her story. I dislike Ren and Nora's flashback because it only justified the Nuck-whatever following them all volume.
edited 1st Jun '17 2:33:18 PM by VeryMelon
I liked that she actually started in one place and ended up in another, unlike many other characters at the time.
Any "defrosting ice queen/budding wallflower/person learns to trust people" character arc is bound to appeal to a broad audience.
I kind of like how she regressed after Volume 3, if only for the rest of Volume 4. It always feels a little more realistic when characters don't have their entire lifestyle/philosophy uprooted all of a sudden and they never change points of view ever again. That feels more like an "anime cliche."
In contrast to Weiss, who ends up fleeing her own home, seeing Blake actually reconnect with her parents warms the heart. I'd say Blake's character arc was the most enjoyable because it actually had room to grow and develop. Yang's gets crunched together, Ruby's hasn't really started, and Weiss's feels pretty barebones.
Ugh, saying positive things about Blake Belladonna gives me a rash.
edited 1st Jun '17 2:36:34 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!I've actually started to hate Blake since her arc embodies the show's huge Show, Don't Tell issue with Faunus discrimination. I can't get invested in her when I keep having to be told about her motivation and she comes across as a Soapbox Sadie.
I mean, that mostly has to do with the White Fang and you're supposed to be against them anyway.
I understand the complaint of wanting to see more, but I don't like how that complaint usually seems to manifest as "ever Faunus isn't miserable, so discrimination isn't real", which is how it's come off by people who mention it here. Probably not intentionally, but, that's how it seems to me.
It looked to me as though the point of the storyline wasn't to make Adam an urgent danger by the end of the volume. It implied that the White Fang are setting up Ghira for something. Upon realising Blake was there, they decided to change the plan slightly to accommodate her presence, but are otherwise continuing the basic intention of setting up Ghira.
For some reason, the White Fang want Ghira to think there's a schism between different factions of the White Fang. They need Ghira to trust Sienna Khan and they're using Adam as the excuse to do it. It seems like a Good Cop/Bad Cop storyline to manipulate Ghira into a specific position.
It seems to be that the brothers work closely with Adam and Sienna and that Ilia was sent to Blake's house as a ploy to ensure her scroll fell into Belladonna hands. So Ghira is being manipulated seeing Haven as the battleground on which to fight the White Fang (specifically, Adam).
Now, either the plan is to have Ghira at Adam's mercy so that he can be rescued by Sienna Khan (thereby cementing the trust) or Menagerie is being set-up to be blamed for the fall of Haven (the White Fang's old leader in charge of a White Fang attack on Haven — similar in concept to Ironwood potentially being blamed for the Atlesian robot army and ships turning on the Vale citizens they were supposed to be protecting).
Anyway, I don't think this volume was supposed to be about making Adam seem like a threat to Blake right now (especially since the fox brothers verbally cite allegiance with Khan but privately discuss contacting Adam as though he's a speed dial number away). It was about setting up Ghira (or Kali, since the females are the dominant characters and she is named after a very powerful and dangerous Hindu goddess).
edited 1st Jun '17 3:27:37 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.That's a good point. Blake being from a well-off, loving family doesn't invalidate Faunus oppression being a thing, but we need some sort of indicator that it is other than an asshole bully pulling the bunny girl's ears.
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My point wasn't that it isn't an issue, it's that when it gets brought up, people tend to do so in ways that are problematic in there own right. Maybe you, personally, don't do that, but that's how it often came off to me, in this thread.
Well, that and some of the things people commonly complain about just comes off to me as them not getting the point in the first place.
Frankly I don't see why you'd take it personally enough to apparently rant about it.
edited 1st Jun '17 3:48:14 PM by LSBK
There are probably a billion ways you could quickly and easily show Faunus discrimination that would take almost no effort and be over with in a couple seconds. Naturally, the show decided to go with none of them.
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Yea, Juane and Pyrhha's plotline does feel distinctly more Western than Japanese.
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