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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46201: May 21st 2017 at 7:02:07 PM

Vaguely shipping related I guess, I was surprised that they didn't spend more time on Ruby and Jaune's friendship.

edited 21st May '17 7:20:08 PM by LSBK

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#46202: May 21st 2017 at 7:18:25 PM

They have more of a chance to do that now...

Without those 2 dead characters getting in the way...

edited 21st May '17 7:19:00 PM by randomness4

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#46203: May 21st 2017 at 7:25:24 PM

This is an illusion that's been built up for the audience so that we have the same perspective of Ruby that all the characters around her have: the cheerful little light that bobs along keep everyone's spirit going simply by shining. She is, in a real sense, the 'lighthouse' of the show - present, yet appearing to do nothing but act as a beacon for others find their way.

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#46204: May 21st 2017 at 7:27:10 PM

That be great if Ruby actually inspired people to do anything. To borrow that metaphor, Ruby's a lighthouse that's burning brightly on a clear, sunny day.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46205: May 21st 2017 at 7:28:13 PM

I mean, she inspired Jaune at least, more than once. Maybe Ren and Nora, too.

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#46206: May 21st 2017 at 7:29:08 PM

... When?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46207: May 21st 2017 at 7:31:21 PM

She helped Jaune better understand what a leader is supposed to be like. And in episode 10 of the last volume he tells her that the fact that she's still fighting even after everything she's lost helps him, Ren and Nora do the same.

edited 21st May '17 9:02:11 PM by LSBK

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#46208: May 21st 2017 at 8:49:43 PM

I wish her stuff like that was proactive instead of passive stuff that others inform she just happened to do for them. It goes back to her passivity issues.

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#46209: May 21st 2017 at 9:10:58 PM

It's also probably why I don't remember her doing anything of the sort.

For being our protagonist who's going to save the day because victory is in a simple soul, Ruby just kind of exists.

RWBY is a conundrum for me. The only good things I can say about it are that the fights are, for the most part, pretty damn good and the music's great. Despite having nothing but complaints about the series beyond those two things (well, that and being genuinely funny in a few places), I still consider myself a fan of the series and keep coming back to it.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46210: May 21st 2017 at 9:16:54 PM

I mean, if those are you honest feelings I'd suggest not doing so, then. I've never been one to continue consuming something I have almost nothing but complaints about.

Indifference, definitely, but not active annoyance.

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#46211: May 21st 2017 at 9:19:26 PM

It rarely doesn't anything annoying. At least not too annoying. I just can't help but continually think how amazing this series would have been if the writers were better.

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#46212: May 21st 2017 at 9:19:27 PM

I fourth the notion that Chibi is better than the main series.

As for shipping: Bumblebee.

Or even an OT3 of Sun/Blake/Yang.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46213: May 21st 2017 at 9:22:20 PM

[up][up]Oh, so normal things then.

For my part, I find the plot and characters interesting enough, even if the actual plotting and story-telling is often leaves something to be desired. Plus, I think it's getting better at that (hotly contested viewpoint, I know) so that helps.

edited 21st May '17 9:22:50 PM by LSBK

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#46214: May 21st 2017 at 10:59:26 PM

I second that they're getting better, even if they don't often strike me as good at it. I do get that feeling of having plenty of complaints yet still caring. For me, I'm invested enough in some of the characters and there's plenty of ideas I think are cool.

It's plotting just strikes me as anime fans who are copying the shallow surface of things. It's sufficient enough that I feel it's watchable plus invested enough in some, especially Weiss for me (ironic that I say my favorite character had the worst plotline in 4) yet incompetent enough in ways I've elaborated on in the past that it bugs me that it isn't living up to its full potential.

Still, for all my complaints, I'll still watch it and give it credit where credit is due.

Oh and for shipping stuff, I admittedly hate most shipping because I feel people obsess over romance and sexual stuff too much. I feel at times that just being nice to someone is enough for people to assume romantic intent, which ticks me off because 1) I wonder how much is it people projecting their desires on it to force the interpretation, 2) I love genuine romance when a story can sell me on it and so I don't like everything being equated to that level, and 3) I do like a point being made for platonic love as well, which I feel isn't enough.

That all said, I like Ren and Nora. I'm not passionate about it or anything, but I'm not indifferent towards it either.

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#46215: May 21st 2017 at 11:08:11 PM

Yeah, RWBY is improving...but slowly and the still fall into some anime thing they dont really need(like japanese humor with Blake and Sun antic which feel like typical romantic comedy).

And with shipping....the only one I can see is bumblebee since there is hints all over the place and so far Sun seen better when he isnt Blake romantic lover, Maybe Lancaster since Ruby and Jaunce have nice interaction so far.

Also, maybe is just me but I kinda think Ironwood and Glinda have something in the past, they way they tak each other...

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#46216: May 22nd 2017 at 7:05:22 AM

For being our protagonist who's going to save the day because victory is in a simple soul, Ruby just kind of exists.
This is 100% the biggest problem with RWBY, and it's not limited to Ruby alone (though she gets it the worst, having both the least personal stake in the plot and ostensibly being central to it). Of the four main characters, Blake's had the best character arc by far, dealing with her past and her identity. Yang is a distant second, as her search for her mother was introduced early and is still a major part of her character motivation, but it's been very inconsistently portrayed (it hasn't been a consistent motivation like Blake's issues are) and it suffers from unnecessary vagueness in that we didn't know what exactly was going on (ie, who Yang was looking for and why) until relatively recently. Weiss's motivation has been an attempt to simultaneously win her family's approval while exerting her independence, but that didn't really go anywhere until the end of season four, and now it's not clear where they're going with it. (She's been disinherited and then ran away, so what's her plan? Has she given up on the Schnee family entirely and now wants to go her own way? Or does she still want to redeem the Schnee family name, but now she's fighting against her father to do it rather than trying to work with him? It's not clear.) Ruby has never had any motivation beyond "help the people around me", to the point where the episode in season two devoted to exploring Team RWBY's motivations rather conspicuously skipped over Ruby completely. She's never really had a personal goal, and even now she hasn't shown any motivation beyond generic "help people", not even "figure out my silver-eye superpowers so I can figure out where I fit in with all this crap" or "defeat Cinder and associates for being bad people and also for hurting my friends" or anything like that. She's just kind of along for the ride, which is supremely unfortunate for a character in such a central plot role.

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#46217: May 22nd 2017 at 7:12:01 AM

We got Ruby's motivation in one of the first episodes of Volume 1. When she was little, her family used to read her all kinds of fairy tales where everyone lived happily ever after. Because of those stories, she wants to make the world into one where anyone can have their happily ever after, to make the world a safer and better place. Oobleck didn't ask her about her motivations because not only does the audience already know them, she's not lying to anyone about them. Ruby is very much a "What you see is what you get" person and that's fine. She doesn't need to be terribly deep and complex because that would defeat the "victory is in a simple soul" thing. I just want her to do more.

Ruby is essentially a Big Good in the making. I feel like she's supposed to end up being the moral compass for Remnant like how Captain America and, to a lesser extent, Spider-Man are for Marvel. She doesn't need a reason for wanting to save people because saving people is the right thing to do.

It helps that I've encountered a character somewhat similar to Ruby before and have seen that stance attacked from all kinds of angles both within the work and without.

edited 22nd May '17 7:15:05 AM by Zelenal

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#46218: May 22nd 2017 at 7:16:47 AM

Well, yes, I mentioned the generic "I want to help people" motivation — but every character has that, or else they wouldn't be interested in becoming huntresses in the first place. What Ruby lacks is a personal goal, something that relates to her specifically.

It doesn't need to be anything complex or convoluted, but she needs to have something, or else she comes off as a one-dimensional flat character. Especially since the handful of characteristics that initially helped her be distinct (socially awkward, geeked out over cool weaponry) have largely been dropped.

The obvious motivation would be to figure out the deal with the silver-eyed shenanigans. She has it, her mother had it, and it's clearly going to be important in the grand scheme of things, so it makes sense for her to be focused on that. But they haven't even gone that far; it didn't really come up much if at all in season four.

edited 22nd May '17 7:20:58 AM by NativeJovian

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#46219: May 22nd 2017 at 7:31:01 AM

Not really. Saving people is, at best, a secondary goal for WBY. That's why Oobleck poked them about their motivations since you need to be 100% honest with yourself as to why you want to be a Hunter given the nature of the job. With Ruby, its her primary motivation and everything else is secondary. To a degree, at any rate. I don't think she's as messed up as Emiya Shirou is and that's a good thing.

While I do agree that the Silver Eyes thing should have had more of a role in Volume 4, I think it should have been for different reasons. You seem to want it so Ruby has a personal motivation but I want it because Ruby should be linking it back to her main goal of saving people. If she can properly and reliably use her Silver Eyes, she can kill Grimm easier and thus save more people. It's almost as if she's not taking her primary objective very seriously.

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#46220: May 22nd 2017 at 10:43:44 AM

This is where I put a weird analogue about Neapolitan ice cream but it would probably derail into jokes about Neo. Or comparison about other main characters which most of you wouldn't be familiar with.

My stand is that I am fine with Vanilla Protagonists.

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#46221: May 22nd 2017 at 11:25:37 AM

I don't mind that Ruby is vanilla in that light. What bothers me is her struggle with it is portrayed rather weakly (they added something, but I've felt something missing) and the effects of it just happen instead of her striving for it.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46222: May 22nd 2017 at 12:13:42 PM

I actually think Ruby's desire to protect the world from Grimm doesn't go far enough. I'd be interested in seeing her go Above Good and Evil regarding who to save from Grimm at the moment, even antagonists.

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#46223: May 22nd 2017 at 1:58:21 PM

I could get behind that.

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#46224: May 22nd 2017 at 3:05:08 PM

Rwby needs to take some initiative...

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#46225: May 22nd 2017 at 4:30:37 PM

[up][up][up] I wouldn't go with Grimm exclusive since she knows there's problem people beyond The Grimm. Though this, for me, goes back to volume 3 and my suggested fix. Evolve Ruby so her increased ruthlessness in Volume 4, see the whole tail cutting thing, was developed into. Make her someone who has her beliefs tested and forced to do something like accidentally kill Roman, deal with having done that to another human, and grow beyond that into a Good Is Not Soft iteration and attitude towards enemies.

Don't go the hardcore Knight Templar route as that's obvious and typical "Make it darker" stuff. And it doesn't violate what they're actually going for.

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