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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#45801: Mar 12th 2017 at 10:14:42 PM

It would have also kept the trend of the FNDM not taking the threat of the villains seriously. If Pyhrra's death was on Jaune then why is Cinder and the maiden powers such a big deal?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45802: Mar 12th 2017 at 10:17:33 PM

I mean, because she lead to the collapse of Vale and global communications? Thoughts on the Maiden power and whether they're impressive aside, if you're not taking them seriously after that, what are they supposed to do?

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#45803: Mar 12th 2017 at 10:23:33 PM

There will always be that part of the fandom that will never be satisfied, no matter what you do.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#45804: Mar 12th 2017 at 10:23:35 PM

If that's not enough, maybe they should try a bit harder...

Global extinction...

edited 12th Mar '17 10:25:33 PM by randomness4

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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#45805: Mar 12th 2017 at 11:16:14 PM

The rest of Cinder's accomplishments were through guile and planning to avoid direct confrontation. In a show about students kicking insane about of monster ass having the current big villain need the worst fighter of the bunch to screw up in order to win kills any threat they directly pose to the them.

Mely OMGWTFBBQ from under your bed Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#45806: Mar 13th 2017 at 6:23:18 PM

Hey, hey! I want to give RWBY a try because I dig the soundtrack and art style, but the Volume One is such a chore to watch. I'm barely halfway through and I feel like I'm just wasting my time. It's almost like the authors tried their darndest to shoehorn every single anime trope in; I don't enjoy anime humor all that much so it feels pretty cringeworthy to me. The female cast doesn't seem all that likable, they're way too stereotypical and shallow. Male characters are even worse; guys are either boring, evil or serve as incompetent comic reliefs. The voice acting and animations are painfully amateurish, sometimes. I cannot overstate just how much I enjoy the music, though. It's absolutely amazing and this song is very important to me. Combat scenes are way awesome, too.

Does it get better later on? I can see why someone would enjoy it. The show feels too cliche for me, doe. I don't think it's irredeemable; I can see the potential, but... yeah.

There's a moment we make a decision Not to cower and crash to the ground The moment we face our worst demons Our courage found
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#45807: Mar 13th 2017 at 6:46:45 PM

Season 1 is a little choppy, but it gets better. By Season 3 you could stand to call it professional, maybe a little earlier.

If it's any consolation, Season 1 is also shorter than others.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#45808: Mar 13th 2017 at 6:55:14 PM

I want to trust that you're asking sincerely.

Does it get better later on?

But I really hate it when people ask this question about something. :/

It''s such a loaded question.

I could tell you "yes it gets better" but that means everything before that point is awful. How do I actually know that what comes later is what you find interesting? Anything I could tell you would be a lie otherwise.

I mean... yes, the animation quality and storytelling improves dramatically? But I'd argue A) if you don't like it now you're probably not going to, B) you shouldn't be asking fans "when does it get good" and C) if you do and they say it takes 10 episodes to get even moderately interesting then you shouldn't be giving it your attention because the narrative has failed utterly. No story should ever take more than 10 episodes/10 chapters to get remotely interesting. There's "slow burn" and there's "wasting the reader's time with exposition."

edited 13th Mar '17 6:57:08 PM by Soble

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WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#45809: Mar 13th 2017 at 6:55:57 PM

Each volume gets an Animation Bump, with the most recent switching from Maya to Poser. The show also gets a bit less cliche over time, as well as getting a few professional voice actors on board, too.

So yeah, definitely worth it to stick with the show.

Fair warning: this forum does contain unmarked spoilers.

edited 13th Mar '17 6:57:14 PM by WillDeRegio

Prime_of_Perfection Where force fails, cunning prevails Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#45810: Mar 13th 2017 at 7:33:31 PM

@Mely I'll lean more to camp that no, it isn't worth it. It does get better, but the series as a whole is incredibly overrated and suffers from noticeable problems in each season.

I do think it would be best for you to judge for yourself as its more of a Love It or Hate It type deal, but for my opinion of rwby as a whole, it's just okay.

edited 13th Mar '17 7:34:14 PM by Prime_of_Perfection

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45811: Mar 13th 2017 at 7:36:11 PM

My opinion of the series as a whole is " it's okay", so if you're looking for more than that, I'd don't bother.

Though, I have to agree with Soble the way you brought this up does rub me the wrong way and leaves me wondering why you would phrase things that way.

[up]I hate that term, it's one of the many words that has basically lost all meaning.

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#45812: Mar 13th 2017 at 7:41:42 PM

As Soble said, it sort of depends on what you're looking for. Without the passive aggression:

The animation quality definitely improves. Season one was genuinely pretty terrible (those running animations, urgh). It steadily improves throughout the series (so far, at least). Most of the more Animesque bits are phased out over time, so by season three you never see anyone Face Fault or Sweat Drop or that sort of thing. The basic "cute girls with impractically cool weapons being badasses" premise, which is pretty damn anime, never changes, though.

The plot gets better, or at least starts moving. Season one is basically an extended introduction to the setting and the characters — very little actually happens. Season two has an actual story arc, and season three takes a sharp turn into a darker tone. Whether this is an improvement or not largely depends on whether you're looking for a lighthearted action show where cool animesque special snowflake badasses fight legions of cookie-cutter monsters, or you're looking for a serious action-drama about a group of would-be heroes trying to stave off the forces of darkness. Given that you mention enjoying the music, which captures the tone of the later seasons fairly well, I think you'd prefer the later stuff.

The characters are pretty much what you see is what you get. The only one who's gotten any significant development at all is Blake, and most of that came in season four. Ruby in particular is pretty much a cardboard cutout labelled "Protagonist". She's actually gotten more generic over time, as when she was first introduced, she was the nerd-girl with zero people skills who geeked out over weaponry and couldn't navigate social situations to save her life. Both of those aspects have been quietly dropped over time, so she went from a high-energy spaz with trouble relating to people to a generic earnest friendly girl.

Ultimately, I preferred the earlier seasons (and very nearly didn't come back to the series after season three), but that's mostly because I didn't care for the darker tone. If you're okay with that, then you'll probably like the newer stuff better.

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Mely OMGWTFBBQ from under your bed Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#45813: Mar 13th 2017 at 7:41:44 PM

I think I'm gonna stick with RWBY then, I feel like it might be worthwhile even if I don't enjoy the story much atm. The art style is really cool; I'm not used to cel shading so it's really nice to watch even if the animation is amateurish at times. Thanks, I hoped the show will Grow the Beard and become more professional later on! I'm glad to hear that I'm most likely right. :)

@Soble: I didn't come here to shit on your favorite show, really. I heard a lot of stuff about RWBY, good and bad; I didn't know what to believe so I wanted to hear your opinion. I realize you guys are biased because you enjoy this anime/show/whatever you wanna call it, but I trust your opinion more than some random person on Tumblr. I'm sorry if I somehow offended you.

@Prime: I know it's a controversial show, but I really like the art style and soundtrack. As long as later volumes are better than the first one, I'm willing to give it a try. Volume One's a one big Cliché Storm so far, but it's not like, utterly horrible and omg the worst thing ever.

I hope Jaune will become a more badass character later on. He's really cute, heh.

[up] Oh yeah, I prefer darker stories. They don't have to be like, grimdark and edgy, but it's more interesting when our heroes have to struggle and their enemies are actually dangerous. What's a good story without conflict, twists and obstacles? Thank you for your detailed response, you convinced me to stick with the show :3

edited 13th Mar '17 7:46:50 PM by Mely

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ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#45814: Mar 13th 2017 at 7:59:27 PM

my suggestion is to get to episode 8. If you don’t get into it by the end of 8, then you probably won’t be into it into the future

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#45815: Mar 13th 2017 at 8:14:57 PM

If your still in Volume I would just suggest powering through it. Because like other people mentioned it is pretty much a character introduction. Especially the last two episodes of Volume 1. I would say around the end of volume 2 would be a way to gauge your interest level.

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#45816: Mar 13th 2017 at 8:25:55 PM

I think you'll like the way Jaune's character develops. While I was a fan of the show for the entire run, I will admit it can be a chore to sit through the first season. The second season feels much better, but I think the show definitely has a shift in the third season (and earlier than when it would seem obvious... you'll get it when you get there).

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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#45817: Mar 13th 2017 at 8:57:48 PM

Even Miles and Kerry admit that RWBY is a show where you kind of have say "it gets better." It's not that different from how Red vs blue started out.

Prime_of_Perfection Where force fails, cunning prevails Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Where force fails, cunning prevails
#45818: Mar 13th 2017 at 9:04:25 PM

@Mely I do hope you enjoy it!

[up] It bothers me they subscribe to that. It doesn't surprise me, but ah well. Different creative philosophies.

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#45819: Mar 13th 2017 at 9:10:39 PM

I cna see the logic in it, but it runs ont eh assumption that it was their very first story. The first work an author creates is the most prone to Sturgeon's Law (and exaggerations there of), but is often necessary for practice. This is why Growing the Beard is a concept in the first place. It is a result of improvement from the inevitably rocky start.

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#45820: Mar 13th 2017 at 9:17:02 PM

tbh while I know it gets better, I can’t recommend it if one can’t get past episode 8 where, at least personally, I really started to feel the potential of the show as something super fun but rough around all the edges.

It is hard to ask someone to wait 2 hours before enjoying themselves

edited 13th Mar '17 9:17:27 PM by ch00beh

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#45821: Mar 13th 2017 at 9:17:49 PM

[up][up] I'm aware of the logic behind it. It's one reason I prefer literature. I'm just way more used to hearing that as an excuse to keep going, things not improving, and so on.

As said, different creative philosophies. It's one I can get, but it bothers me given how many times I've heard it as an excuse and just my own beliefs of adhering to The Rule of 10.

edited 13th Mar '17 9:21:28 PM by Prime_of_Perfection

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#45822: Mar 13th 2017 at 9:24:42 PM

[up] Can you explain the Rule of 10? All I'm getting about it implies diminishing returns.

Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#45823: Mar 13th 2017 at 10:23:11 PM

Yeah the context of it was them admiting the faults of the earlier volumes how how it made introducing new people to it difficult. But this is very much a case of Growing the Beard, this was their first animation project and it shows, but they also show that they learn from their mistakes and improve. Compare Volume 1 of RWBY to season 1 of X-Ray and Vav or Camp Camp and you can see how much the animation department has developed.

Prime_of_Perfection Where force fails, cunning prevails Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#45824: Mar 13th 2017 at 10:24:21 PM

In the first 10 pages (or 10 minutes of watching something), you should portray a genre pertinent event which hooks audience interest and inspires confidence. It's all about start on the right foot then carrying that same energy onward into the rest of act 1. The most important part to me is that it inspires faith in the writer. The story ideally shouldn't need outsiders to come in and say it gets better. It should speak for itself.

Diminishing returns approach isn't what's meant since, yes, everything ideally builds upwards.

After all, how many people use the "It gets better" card when it comes to works that just start strong? As said, it's something thrown out to say "I know that this opening stuff doesn't inspire any faith, but trust me, I'll win that respect if you keep giving me the chance."

Just start strong and keep building on what you've done without needing to say it gets better. Like, I'm reading The Reckoners Trilogy right now and I wouldn't say it gets better to anyone. I feel the prologue alone starts stuff on a great foot in a way that inspires confidence in the writer and then continues upward from there. I wouldn't say it gets better. I'd just say it's a good story. Or at least it is to where I am as of now, which is at the start of Part 4, the final part in the novel.

Also, just to note again, I say ideally. I realize things aren't always ideal and mistakes happen. I just can't not call a mistake a mistake and I've been burned by it gets better so many times and it's more a personal standard.

edited 13th Mar '17 10:37:00 PM by Prime_of_Perfection

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#45825: Mar 13th 2017 at 10:28:22 PM

[up] I see. I think I'll ask in trope finder about that later.

edited 13th Mar '17 10:28:39 PM by MorningStar1337


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