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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#45751: Mar 11th 2017 at 9:24:35 AM

It's worth it if you just read Michael and Miles response at the top.
Wow, that's actually a ridiculously shitty response. (It's "Anybody play the new Zelda yet? It's really good." and "Super good.", respectively, for those not clicking the link.) When your company is accused of discriminating against its employees, being dismissive of the accusation by pointedly starting a lighthearted conversation about an unrelated topic is not an acceptable reaction.

"We deny everything and have nothing else to say" is fine. "We're sorry she feels that way but we have no idea what she's talking about" is fine. "We don't think we did anything wrong, but we're committed to providing a welcoming and professional atmosphere for all our employees, so we're looking into it anyway" is good. "Mistakes were made, we're going to fix this" is good (if mistakes were, in fact, made).

But not taking it seriously — or even appearing to not take it seriously — is not okay.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#45752: Mar 11th 2017 at 9:27:21 AM

^100% this

Also I feel like some people need to read up on survivorship bias before dismissing claims based on exceptional cases

edited 11th Mar '17 9:31:53 AM by ch00beh

"Never let the truth get in the way of a good story." Twitter
BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#45753: Mar 11th 2017 at 11:41:50 AM

Yes, what Miles and Micheal did was not the best way to do it.... But this is Rooster Teeth, so that's really par for the course. While professionals, they tend to not act it. Ever.

But then again, we don't know what goes on behind the doors at RT, and the only complaints we've seen are from former employees.

Also regarding the Barbara thing: Basically confirmed that the tumblr post was about Kathleen. And here's the twitter meltdown.

So... basically all we've got regarding this is bitter ex-employees deciding to make it look like their former employers are a worse company than EA, and the second one implies that a woman who already had a successful career before-hand only got to where she is because she's sleeping with Burnie. Classy.

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#45754: Mar 11th 2017 at 12:00:12 PM

Seriously, we need to drop this before the mods come knocking.

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#45755: Mar 11th 2017 at 12:01:28 PM

[up]Yeah. I threw my two cents in and now I'm done with it.

Then again, that's the issue with this thread. When the latest Volume is done, there's not much to talk about until the next one releases [lol]

edited 11th Mar '17 12:01:46 PM by BlackSunNocturne

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#45756: Mar 11th 2017 at 12:10:18 PM

Yes, what Miles and Micheal did was not the best way to do it.... But this is Rooster Teeth, so that's really par for the course. While professionals, they tend to not act it. Ever.
Which is kind of a problem, yeah? "They're always dumb" isn't really a good defense for "they were dumb in this particular instance".

But then again, we don't know what goes on behind the doors at RT, and the only complaints we've seen are from former employees.
It's true that we don't know what goes on behind the scenes there, but the "disgruntled former employee" claim doesn't really mean anything. If the claims of discrimination are true, then employees who left over it are 1) the ones who felt it enough to leave over it, and 2) the ones who have nothing to lose by discussing their grievances in public. Any current employees have, by definition, not been treated badly enough to leave over it, and may not want to discuss the issue publicly for fear of damaging their relationship with their employer.

Of course, it's also possible that it's just employees who left for unrelated reasons and are bitter about the experience and are trying to cast shade on Rooster Teeth out of bitterness. We don't know, and we shouldn't make judgments without having something a bit more concrete than competing claims from different people. That said, we should absolutely take the claims seriously, because they're serious claims.

the second one implies that a woman who already had a successful career before-hand only got to where she is because she's sleeping with Burnie
It really doesn't. The initial tweet was "It's International Women's Day, yay Rooster Teeth for being a company where I, as a woman, never felt ignored!" and the response was "You're married to the owner, it's not surprising you were never ignored. Not everyone has had the same experience with Rooster Teeth."

That's not saying "you only got where you are by sleeping with the boss", that's saying "your personal relationships within the company have shaped your experience with it", which is a fair point. The owner's wife is certainly going to be treated differently than other women working at the company.

Seriously, we need to drop this before the mods come knocking.
What are the mods going to be mad over? This is relevant to RWBY because it's about the company that makes the show and involves several of the show's VAs. The conversation is civil and reasonable. As long as we keep it that way, there's no problem.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#45757: Mar 11th 2017 at 12:20:07 PM

There won't be much to talk about until Season 2 of Chibi drops.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#45758: Mar 11th 2017 at 12:23:57 PM

[up][up]The bit about Ashley would be valid if Ashley hadn't put a ton of effort into The Know before she and Burnie started dating. As it stands there it comes off as dismissing all of the hard work Ashley put in and chalks it up to nepotism.

edited 11th Mar '17 12:24:20 PM by Shaoken

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#45759: Mar 11th 2017 at 12:24:01 PM

What are the mods going to be mad over?
It is unnecessary drama importation that's only tangentially related to the show, which is against the rules. This thread has already had issues with controversial topics and I'd rather not have it locked.

ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#45760: Mar 11th 2017 at 12:35:19 PM

One of the problems that perpetuates sexual discrimination is how people dismiss the conversation essentially as women being dramatic, but they’re happy to speculate about things like Shane having a fit and leaving over creative differences.

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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#45761: Mar 11th 2017 at 12:46:37 PM

I dismiss these allegations because of contrary evidence (Rooster Teeth has a lot of women as the heads of departments, they heavily promote women as the face of their company, the existence of a show like Always Open) and that in the same Twitter rant accused another woman of only getting to where she was by sleeping with someone else (a common sexual discrimination thrown exclusively at women).

It is possible that Kathleen experienced all this while working full time at RT and since she left things have improved, but considering her actions towards Barbara when she started I'm hesitant to take Kathleen's word alone for it.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#45762: Mar 11th 2017 at 12:52:56 PM

The bit about Ashley would be valid if Ashley hadn't put a ton of effort into The Know before she and Burnie started dating. As it stands there it comes off as dismissing all of the hard work Ashley put in and chalks it up to nepotism.
That's not what she was doing, though. The tweet was "Yay for Rooster Teeth, good on them for taking women like me seriously" and the response was basically "I'm a woman and they didn't take me seriously — you're married to the owner of the company, so your experience is different than mine"

It wasn't an attack on Ashley. It was saying that she, as the owner's wife, had a different experience than women who were not the owner's wife. That's all.

It is unnecessary drama importation that's only tangentially related to the show, which is against the rules.
The importing drama rule is against taking a feud you're having with another user in a different venue and continuing it on TV Tropes. It's not saying that people can't use TV Tropes to discuss news from outside the site that involves drama between third parties. We're good as long as we keep things calm and civil, which we are.

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Darthwyn leader of Inherit from The void Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
leader of Inherit
#45763: Mar 11th 2017 at 1:24:24 PM

I agree as long as everyone keeps a cool head there should not be a problem. What happened in the past problematic debate was that it got to heated and personal for some people.

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#45764: Mar 11th 2017 at 3:46:43 PM

I don't know anything about what's happened behind closed doors between company and ex-employee. I'm going to say the same thing I said when Shane's letter appeared. All it does is give us an insight into the author's state of mind at the time they post the content.

Bringing the subject of someone blowing up about their employment history with the company here is, I do think, importing drama even if it's between third parties, especially if it leads to posters here passing judgement on motives or behaviours when we cannot genuinely know the actual reasons and thinking processes of others or the truth about any situations that have caused stress to others. All we'd be doing is gossiping. I said the same thing about Shane's letter, too.

We can easily have a discussion about the company without involving any public rants or the inevitable opining that stems from including or focussing on such moments. I frankly think that would be a far better way to discuss the pros and cons of a company.

edited 11th Mar '17 3:57:41 PM by Wyldchyld

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#45765: Mar 11th 2017 at 6:15:52 PM

[up]You make a lot of good points, like you always do.

All this is making me wonder though: Will Glynda be killed off because of this, or will she get Darrin'd? 'cause I really doubt they're going to bring back Kathleen after this, and I hope her fate isn't the former, because I like Glynda as a character.

Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#45766: Mar 11th 2017 at 6:42:54 PM

They'll probably recast like they did with Mercury, assuming they don't mend fences.

EndlessSea LEGENDARY GALE from oh no you don't Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
LEGENDARY GALE
#45767: Mar 11th 2017 at 9:14:29 PM

Hm. I was going to post part two of that Volume 4 review I linked a while back, but it spends a solid third of its runtime talking about Shane's letter (not the Twitter breakdown, since this video was only apparently filmed a couple episodes into the volume) and behind-the-scenes stuff at RT still seems like a touchy subject.

It also marks the point where my lack of wanting to actually touch the series proper again starts to seriously interfere with my ability to contextualize the video's criticisms, so... :/

but HOW?
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#45768: Mar 11th 2017 at 9:16:39 PM

I am still interesting in seeing the guy's videos, but I forgot who it was. Care to share the name?

EndlessSea LEGENDARY GALE from oh no you don't Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
EndlessSea LEGENDARY GALE from oh no you don't Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
LEGENDARY GALE
#45771: Mar 11th 2017 at 9:32:06 PM

I think he's the guy that wrote Seeking Truth. Could be wrong, though.

but HOW?
FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#45772: Mar 12th 2017 at 3:30:44 AM

Currently, Glynda's presence in the plot is tertiary at best; everybody important is either in Mistral or headed to Mistral. No doubt we will return to Vale once all this is over, but that's many seasons ahead, assuming that Vacuo and Atlas are visited first.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#45773: Mar 12th 2017 at 3:41:39 AM

did she even appear this volume?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#45774: Mar 12th 2017 at 4:47:12 AM

She did...

Not.

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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#45775: Mar 12th 2017 at 5:19:52 AM

She appeared in archive footage during the news report, and was stated to be hard at work fixing Vale.


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