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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#45326: Feb 15th 2017 at 10:17:05 AM

Another factor I would argue contributes to the extremely long in-depth posts you sometimes see cropping up in this thread is the narrative structure; despite the setting being fairly standard JRPG Science Fantasy fare, the world building is presented in a way that manages to make it surprisingly intriguing. There's mountains and mountains of unanswered questions that the show poses to the viewer, and answers to those questions are drip fed rather than given freely, and while at times that makes the story feel cryptic for the sake of being cryptic, when it works it works.

edited 15th Feb '17 10:18:08 AM by CaptainCapsase

Thebrawlbro Since: Aug, 2013
#45327: Feb 15th 2017 at 11:06:03 AM

[up] Yeah, RWBY is the type of series to not tell people something until it is relevent, keeping things hidden as long as they can. For example, we still don't know a lot of the casts Semblance's, including some main characters.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#45328: Feb 15th 2017 at 12:45:28 PM

And we still know barely anything about the bad guys objective (they want the divine relics, but for what purpose?). Or the Benevolent(?) Conspiracy Ozpin is running.

edited 15th Feb '17 12:45:45 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45329: Feb 15th 2017 at 1:02:52 PM

I just want to know if the relics and Maidens are even connected, or if the Maiddens are an unrelated thing that Salem decided to incorporate into her plans because they're powerful.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#45330: Feb 15th 2017 at 2:34:52 PM

Until we discover otherwise, I'm going to guess that literally everything is connected in some fashion.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45331: Feb 15th 2017 at 2:46:12 PM

Something else that's also "fun" is people still trying to connect Qrow's turning into a bird to his Semblance. Like going "His power is bad luck, and crows are said to be bad luck, ergo he can turn into a crow". It genuinely angers me that some people actually think that that's a good idea.

edited 15th Feb '17 3:10:59 PM by LSBK

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#45333: Feb 15th 2017 at 2:47:43 PM

[up][up] On one hand, too many random superpowers that don't tie together via a common mechanism would feel rather contrived. On the other hand, there may very well be a common mechanism tying together the various special powers we've seen that doesn't directly relate to semblances, but shoehorning it to fit the mechanics of the setting that we know about rather than waiting to see if there's something that's been held back also seems a bit dumb.

edited 15th Feb '17 2:48:37 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45334: Feb 15th 2017 at 2:51:06 PM

[up][up]Honestly? It's the kind of stupid "logic" I'd expect from One Piece. Say what you want about the writing, but I've seen nothing to indicate that they'd go that off the deep end with things like this.

But mostly I just find it kind of irritating that people are calling it bad writing, when the way it was presented made it clear (to me anyway) that it was supposed to be something more mysterious than his Semblance. It's your own fault if you didn't pick up on that, and I see no reason to assume they aren't going to delve into it later.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#45335: Feb 15th 2017 at 4:01:52 PM

I wouldn't call that secondary to maybe finding Ozpin. They're about equal in footing. Honestly, that just sounds like a weird thing to hide, especially since he just got finished explaining the whole Maiden deal and in the even that he does find Ozpin in a new body there, he's just going to end up explaining it to them anyway.

Like I said, that post is what The Stinger means to me - and to me, it does look like Leo is secondary to the cane.

We don't know what's going on with Ozpin. Clearly Qrow does not think the information about Ozpin is something he should be sharing with the kids at this point, even after they're allowed to know about the Maidens.

For now, we don't even know if the other adult conspirators know. Glynda's comment to Ironwood about Ozpin having experience the rest of them don't have can suggest that it's not just Qrow who knows. On the other hand, the adults seemed very uncertain about whether the artificial Aura transfer would work or what the consequences of it would be whereas Ozpin (when alone with Pyrrha and Jaune) seemed far more certain - so that suggests the others may not know. If they do know, then it was probably the artificial nature of the transfer that made it uncertain (but again, Ozpin seemed pretty certain when alone with Pyrrha and Jaune, unlike the other adults, so I do think there's something about Aura transfer that the others don't know even if they do know about Ozpin).

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#45336: Feb 15th 2017 at 4:24:54 PM

Something else that's also "fun" is people still trying to connect Qrow's turning into a bird to his Semblance

I mean, it's in his name. I was fully accepting that his Semblance was turning into a giant bird, but bad luck is a cool power too.

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#45337: Feb 15th 2017 at 5:38:59 PM

[up][up] I'm not sure if Ironwood knows about Ozpin; he certainly isn't acting like he knows about a contingency in case of Ozpin's death.

edited 15th Feb '17 5:39:29 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45338: Feb 15th 2017 at 5:46:10 PM

[up][up]I maintain the way the presented it always implied it was more than just his Semblance, but that's no the main point. The main issue is that people, after hearing what his Semblance actually is, trying to shoehorn turning into a bird as a part of it. Either that or just saying he's wrong. Either way, it assumes Qrow (and by extension the writers) don't actually understand his own ability and feel the need to give information that will become meaningless later on.

[up]I mean, it seemed like Ironwood was relatively new to the fold; Qrow says as much when chastising him for his obvious dickwaving display with his ships. Still, if he knows about the relics, which he should, that's more than enough reason to be extra on edge with Beacon. Especially since he apparently has an inkling of what's going on with Mistral.

edited 15th Feb '17 5:47:50 PM by LSBK

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#45339: Feb 15th 2017 at 10:04:00 PM

Cinder's Volume 4 outfit

I love these scans that show off the details of the characters.

Just Makima.
Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#45340: Feb 15th 2017 at 10:23:25 PM

Those art pieces really highlight all the little details that go into the characters.

Also it looks like she was supposed to have scaring just under where her mask ends and that her whole outfit hides her left side except her neck. Makes me wonder if we'll ever see her scars or if that's supposed to be too graphic.

ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#45341: Feb 16th 2017 at 7:49:07 AM

I’m still firmly holding to the theory that Qrow’s real semblance is turning into a crow and the bad luck is a Raven long troll

Even word of god can’t change my mind now

edited 16th Feb '17 7:49:32 AM by ch00beh

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#45342: Feb 16th 2017 at 11:40:50 AM

Need I remind you of the "Is Sun sexist" argument that got banned from two threads?

The topic is not banned. People were asked to stop because the discussion was going nowhere, but it was not banned, as evidenced by it coming up several times since and nobody having to go to the ban thread to ask for their privileges back.

It always amazes me that this thread has arguments that often produce truly massive walls of text that I rarely, if ever, see in other threads

Go to the ASOIAF thread sometime. Or the Gundam thread. Different threads have different cultures. In the case of this particular one, I think there was some culture shock when Jovian, Tobias, and I, all of whom tend to hang around in highly analytical threads showed up in one that wasn't typically operating that way.

edited 16th Feb '17 11:45:45 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45343: Feb 16th 2017 at 11:58:00 AM

Eh, when while archiving bingeing I notice a fair bit of analysis toward the end of season 3 and after. But, yeah, for the most part this has not been a show that spurs on deep thought for the most part. Not until fairly recently, that is.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#45344: Feb 16th 2017 at 12:42:16 PM

In my case I just don't get invested enough in the show for that kind of analysis.

Or just get put off by the gushyness

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45345: Feb 16th 2017 at 12:54:34 PM

The last part applies to me and most things.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#45346: Feb 16th 2017 at 2:02:08 PM

I mean, it's in his name. I was fully accepting that his Semblance was turning into a giant bird, but bad luck is a cool power too.

I never believed his Semblance was turning into a bird. Didn't expect his Semblance to be misfortune, but I had been wondering if anyone had negative Semblances - or Semblances that have detrimental effects even on the user until they'd learned self-control.

Imagine having an untrained Time distortion Semblance and accidentally prematurely ageing yourself because you haven't learned control. Some Semblances could potentially be very dangerous.

Anyway, regarding Qrow's ability to turn into a bird (and Raven's). What has interested me the most is the sense of secrecy about the transformation. It's always occurred in ways that don't allow other characters around to witness the transformation. I think this ability to turn into crows is something the twins keep very secret. I also believe this ability is connected in part to why the twins share a gears motif with Ozpin.

It's what I think Salem's odd comment to Tyrian is about: Ozpin is the Odin of Remnant, and his Huginn and Muninn are Qrow and Raven. Huginn and Muninn covered the world to inform Odin, and were very much his eyes across the world.

Qrow and Raven play the same role for Ozpin and Salem knows it. With Raven allegedly having turned her back on everyone, Salem regards her as Ozpin's first blind eye. With Qrow poisoned by Tyrian, that's Ozpin's second eye blinded.

I'm not sure if Ironwood knows about Ozpin; he certainly isn't acting like he knows about a contingency in case of Ozpin's death.

I'm not sure either, just like I'm not sure how much any of the others know. However, Glynda's comment about Ozpin's experience was said to Ironwood and she clearly seemed to think he would understand what she's referring to. That's why I said the experience comment might or might not be a sign the others know - because there are hints both for and against this stance.

Whether or not Ironwood (or anyone else) knows about Ozpin's Body Surf potential, they (including Ironwood) do appear to know something about Ozpin that the audience doesn't yet know.

I love these scans that show off the details of the characters.

I'm glad they still do the turnabouts, at least in some fashion.

Her mask is huge, The scarring we can see across the nose hints at it (and we've certainly been speculating that her entire left side is scarred because of her dress design), but it looks like the entire left side of her face, including the ear, was badly damaged for the mask to cover so much.

When I first saw her, my guess was that the reason her hair is now short is because even her hair was burned off, so she had to style it short because she lost so much of it. Her hair was carried over her left shoulder, and that's the side that was exposed to Ruby.

I wonder if there's a symbolic significance to that feathery thing she wears at her hip. It's there no matter what her costume.

edited 16th Feb '17 2:18:21 PM by Wyldchyld

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#45347: Feb 16th 2017 at 2:43:10 PM

I accepted that their turning into crows was magic, magic being a different power system then aura.

EndlessSea LEGENDARY GALE from oh no you don't Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
LEGENDARY GALE
#45348: Feb 17th 2017 at 3:52:25 PM

I understand it's quite rude of me to interrupt a civil argument between fans with a random Youtube video containing something like twenty-four minutes of criticism of the start of Volume 4, especially since I stopped paying attention to RWBY a while ago... but, well, this is a guy whose opinion and writing I have generally found pretty solid, and it's the first RWBY-related anything I've brought myself to watch in something like half a year, so I figured I might as well post it.

but HOW?
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45350: Feb 17th 2017 at 4:43:43 PM

Not like this thread hasn't mostly been about criticism anyway. Not to say that the criticism is entirely wrong or unjustified.

edited 17th Feb '17 4:46:39 PM by LSBK


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