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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#45101: Feb 6th 2017 at 8:09:58 PM

Errr... what line in Armed and Ready?

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#45102: Feb 6th 2017 at 8:26:54 PM

[up] Something something "I'd do anything for her" in the context of a verse about Yang having flashbacks to her "fight" with Adam. The context suggests it isn't talking about Ruby.

edited 6th Feb '17 8:27:21 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45103: Feb 6th 2017 at 8:35:40 PM

Oh yeah, Haven's headmaster being a traitor explains how Cinder and her crew were able to claim to be from there without raising any suspicion. He probably just changed the records to make it seem like they were registered there.

Also, Mistral looks great.

edited 6th Feb '17 8:42:09 PM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#45104: Feb 6th 2017 at 8:39:35 PM

[up] My personal suspicion is that Cinder at least DID attend Haven academy in the past; it's not clear what her background is, but if "Sacrifice" is from her perspective, it definitely implies a Fallen Hero background of sorts, probably a former Haven Huntress. Though yeah, going into the system and changing her status from "graduated" to "current student" would definitely help.

Her "totally not Bane" speech also had her claiming to have been from Mistral, and do recall Monty once described her as "Asian", which matches Mistral due to it pretty much being fantasy China.

edited 6th Feb '17 8:42:56 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45105: Feb 6th 2017 at 8:46:08 PM

I mean, Ren's apparently from there too. Come to think of it, aren't Nora and Pyrrha as well?

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#45106: Feb 6th 2017 at 8:55:53 PM

[up]Yup.

Which throws a wrench into "Mistral is Asia" because Nora is Scandinavian and Pyrrha would be Greek

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#45107: Feb 6th 2017 at 8:59:29 PM

[up]on the other hand you have sun, based on chinise myth, come from vacuo who look like cross of Australia and the míddle east

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#45109: Feb 6th 2017 at 9:14:00 PM

Eurasia?

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#45110: Feb 7th 2017 at 5:46:24 AM

I'm ninety nine percent sure that I am the one who made the "Bumblebee is canon" joke.

The bike, mind you. Not the ship, which, even though I do ship it, if they did write it in, I would probably be disappointed, due to how the writing has been as of late.

Besides, that's what fanfiction is for.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#45111: Feb 7th 2017 at 6:00:59 AM

@LSBK: As far as Nora goes; we don't know; the kids bullying her thought she was dressed weird, suggesting she wasn't from the area.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45112: Feb 7th 2017 at 6:29:10 AM

Not from the area can mean a lot of things. This being anime(esque), her somehow traveling cross-continentally or something by herself is certainly possible, but I'm not going to assume it's that extreme yet.

edited 7th Feb '17 6:32:19 AM by LSBK

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#45113: Feb 7th 2017 at 6:43:03 AM

Because, while there are a lot of complaints about this season I can understand "nothing happening" isn't one of them.
The complaint isn't that literally nothing happened, the complaint is that the stuff that happened wasn't a season's worth of material. You could seriously fit everything of worth that happened in this season into three or four episodes. Most of Yang's plot was a waste of time that didn't actually add anything. Ditto Weiss. Oscar's introduction would have been far more effective if they'd had his meeting with Crow be his first appearance. Blake's arc was pretty good but there was still some fat that could have been trimmed (the sea dragon was cool but not exactly plot relevant, you know?). RNJR spent a lot of time wandering around instead of doing plot things.

Honestly, I get the impression that they realized that they realized that "traveling to Mistral" plus "Haven shenanigans" was too much material for one season, so they decided to split it into two and stretch the "traveling to Mistral" thing into its own season by adding some time-wasting scenes and throwing in Ren and Nora's backstory since they hadn't gotten to that yet. That may have been their least bad option, but it still makes for a really weak season four.

the literal and figurative train wreck that was Volume 2's finale
I've seen this sentiment a few times and I don't really get it. What was the problem people had with season two's finale? I thought it was great, personally. The Raven deus ex machina was a bit annoying, but given that it set up its own little mystery, I didn't mind it too much. Other than that, it was a lot of fun — some good fights, some good plot, both heroes and villains area allowed to be competent and proactive. Villains make some progress and heroes aren't able to stop them completely but do successfully mitigate the damage they cause.

Volume 2's finale is actually my favorite in the series so far. Volume 1's was serviceable but nothing earth-shattering, volume 3's was the plot bending over backwards in favor of the villains, and volume 4 was a giant meh.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45114: Feb 7th 2017 at 6:54:27 AM

[up]! don't really get why you're saying this all again, we've been over it before: a lot of the things you consider a "waste of time" or "nothing" I and others consider very important, or at least something that would have had to/was going to happen eventually. It's why I said either said you're the kind of person who's okay with this or not. Where you stand has been clear for awhile now.

edited 7th Feb '17 6:57:49 AM by LSBK

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#45115: Feb 7th 2017 at 7:25:52 AM

Because if someone says "I don't get why people think this way" and I'm one of the people who feels that way, trying to explain why I feel that way is kind of relevant to the discussion? I mean, we could all just sit here and not talk about RWBY instead, if you prefer.

And for the record, you said it depended on whether you were okay with "an entire season of character focused bits" or not. I'm completely okay with an entire season of character-focused bits. Blake's arc — the only one I actually liked — was nothing but character-focused bits. The problem I have with season four isn't that it was character-focused rather than plot-focused, it's that even the character bits were few and far between.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45116: Feb 7th 2017 at 7:32:22 AM

I feel like it was fairly clear in the context "I can't understand" means "is not something I can agree with". I feel like that's a pretty standard thing. I'd prefer it if you didn't try and unfairly force implications on me like that. It wasn't an attempt to argue, just musing about what I think the general situation is.

I don't really think this is an issue of right or wrong, like how I just think your plainly wrong about a lot stuff with season 3. Well, there's still some of that, but that's not my main point. It also seems like we have pretty big differences on what we consider character focus.

edited 7th Feb '17 7:45:54 AM by LSBK

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#45117: Feb 7th 2017 at 8:25:31 AM

splitting up traveling and mistral shenanigans seems like a pretty good explanation for the pacing. i agree that volume 4 doesn't feel quite complete, but i also wonder how much of that is because the last half of volume 3 was packed af

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45118: Feb 7th 2017 at 8:31:41 AM

[up]Mmmmmmmm...

And for clarifications sake, just because I disagree with the premise of nothing going on, doesn't mean I think everything that that did go on or all the character moments were good. That seems like a more interesting and honest discussion than just going "nothing happened!" in a huff, while other people go "wrong!" back and forth.

edited 7th Feb '17 8:32:38 AM by LSBK

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#45119: Feb 7th 2017 at 8:49:21 AM

Honestly, I feel like a competent writer could condense everything that happened in Volume 4 into about half as many episodes as we got without really losing anything.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#45120: Feb 7th 2017 at 9:12:13 AM

[up] Honestly I don't think it needed to be compressed as much as the volume needed to have a more coherent arc; the Nucklavee shouldn't have just shown up at the end, there should have been at least one or two encounters with the beast before our heroes finally figure out how to defeat it, and it should have been established as following them from the get go. Ren's flashback episode should have come earlier to establish this volume's central arc as focused on Ren and Nora. Give each of WBY an episode to get their plots where they need to be for the next season, and put the bit where Salem sends Tyrian after RNJR at the beginning of the episode when he attacks them. Oscars bits should either be longer and more densely packed to establish him as a character since he's clearly important, or alternatively he should show up in the stinger as people suggested, and have a flashback episode establishing him in volume 5. The former is preferable IMHO since him coming out of nowhere would raise way to many questions.

edited 7th Feb '17 9:23:41 AM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45121: Feb 7th 2017 at 9:39:20 AM

I wish they had dropped the Spring Maiden tread, at least not as suddenly, because the way they did it and what happens blurs the situation a bit.

Like Nuckelavee was definitely at Shion, but Qrow apparently wasn't talking about Grimm destruction, so how did he know Raven had someone abnormally powerful with her?

edited 7th Feb '17 9:39:45 AM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#45122: Feb 7th 2017 at 9:41:37 AM

[up] Who knows. Maybe it'll never be addressed like Jaune's transcripts, or maybe it'll end up retroactively making sense 2 seasons down the line with an off the cuff revelation just like Cinder and co pretending to be Haven students makes a lot more sense with the revelation that Leo is a traitor.

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#45123: Feb 7th 2017 at 9:54:48 AM

In regards to Jaune's transcripts I mostly assumed Ozpin was well aware it was fake and just let him in anyway. Considering what their first trial entails if you manage to survive that you probably earned a place at the school no matter how you got yourself in the door.

Qrow seemed to imply Raven has the spring maiden or possibly knows where she is.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45124: Feb 7th 2017 at 9:55:55 AM

That's the implication, yes, but I'm wondering how he came to that conclusion.

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#45125: Feb 7th 2017 at 10:44:33 AM

've seen this sentiment a few times and I don't really get it. What was the problem people had with season two's finale? I thought it was great, personally. The Raven deus ex machina was a bit annoying, but given that it set up its own little mystery, I didn't mind it too much. Other than that, it was a lot of fun — some good fights, some good plot, both heroes and villains area allowed to be competent and proactive. Villains make some progress and heroes aren't able to stop them completely but do successfully mitigate the damage they cause.
The penultimate episode was great, but the actual finale completely dropped the ball. Using The Cavalry three times in quick succession without a noticeable rise in threat level killed any notion of tension during the last fight.

edited 7th Feb '17 10:45:00 AM by Karxrida


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