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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#44976: Feb 5th 2017 at 9:42:41 AM

To be honest, Jaune's weapon reminds me of Charge Axe. But instead of a sword and shield what transforms into an axe, it is a sword and shield what turns into a bigger sword.

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#44977: Feb 5th 2017 at 9:46:38 AM

[up][up]Well let's see here. Aside from the color parts of their names, we have: Arthur, Rainart and Callows

  • Harold is a name with many potential origins, some include: Old English from here "army" and weald "rule", meaning "heroic leader", same as the title herald; the Celtic elements artos "bear" combined with viros "man" or rigos "king", meaning "bear man" or "bear king"; Alternatively it could be related to an obscure Roman family name Artorius. More examples are here.
  • Rainart is German name, meaning "Strong judgment".
  • Callows, specifically "Callow" is an English surname meaning "dweller at a bare hill" or "dweller near a bare hill".

edited 5th Feb '17 9:52:20 AM by BlackSunNocturne

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44978: Feb 5th 2017 at 9:47:12 AM

[up][up][up] I dunno. Though as far as Yang goes, there's some major mixed signals in that bit; on one hand the line fits Ruby more than Raven (but there's wiggle room), on the other hand the cinematography is definitely suggestive of a scene intended to be ambiguous; Yang skids to a stop facing towards Mistral, but we get a close up and slow pan away from the sign and a cut to a low angle of her driving off which makes it difficult to discern her orientation from that shot alone. Either they're deliberately trying to muddy the waters or they didn't think the camera angles through all that well for that scene.

edited 5th Feb '17 9:48:41 AM by CaptainCapsase

FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
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#44979: Feb 5th 2017 at 9:57:40 AM

[up] Thinking about this, if the credits song is anything to go by, Yang wants to get even with Adam who happens to be in Mistral at the moment.

But then again, it just feels strange to abandon Raven altogether, unless she ends up in Mistral for some reason.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44980: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:00:38 AM

[up] I don't think Yang even knows where Adam is. On another note, I'm noticing a very clear parallel between Yang's arc this season and that of Cinder; both of them start off crushed and dejected, and seemingly move past that into vengeful rage at the person who maimed them.

edited 5th Feb '17 10:01:55 AM by CaptainCapsase

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#44981: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:02:40 AM

Jaune is Cloud Strife after all! I've been making that comparison ever since I saw Jaune wearing a red sash to remember Pyrrha. I guess this means that Pyrrha can be Aerith and Cinder be Sephiroth.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44982: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:03:45 AM

[up] I got less of a buster sword vibe from Jaune's sword sword and more of a Ludwig's Holy Blade vibe. Because that's basically what his weapon is now. A lot of the hunter weapons in the show have some striking similarities to the trick weapons in Bloodborne in fact, from Qrow's scythe-sword to Cinder's sword-bow to Nora's boomhammer. One of the things that surprised me was that Ozpin's cane seemingly isn't threaded.

edited 5th Feb '17 10:06:06 AM by CaptainCapsase

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#44983: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:06:01 AM

[up] I'm saying Cloud because also both wore a dress and the whole wearing red sash/red band to remember a fallen friend. The BFS seals it for me. I've also never played Bloodborne.

edited 5th Feb '17 10:06:49 AM by powerpuffbats

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#44984: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:09:11 AM

You know, it is actually funny how everyone were making speculations who the Cowardly Lion is... and then we get a character named Leo Lionheart. It is almost so obvious you'd think it would be a Red Herring.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44985: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:09:59 AM

[up][up] Bloodborne has a remarkable number of convergences with RWBY. If you happen to have a PS 4 I'd say it's a must buy. Note that it's probably the most harrowing game in an (informal) series of games notorious for being difficult.

edited 5th Feb '17 10:11:50 AM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44986: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:10:04 AM

On which direction Yang went: there is no way she'd playful say what she said if she was going to find Raven. Even time she gets mentioned Yang is serious and/or sullen. And, frankly, there's no point in having her go to Raven when all the others are going to Mistral when they can just have Raven come to Mistral for what ever reason.

I could see someone might think ti was a bit ambiguous, but on the whole, it's clearly pointing in one direction: towards the rest of the main characters (and Oscar).

edited 5th Feb '17 10:15:09 AM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44987: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:18:20 AM

[up] Of the main characters, Yang is by far the likeliest to end up being tempted by "the dark side". It's been heavily telegraphed that it would happen, and right now is probably the best moment so far for her narrative to go down that avenue. Her meeting Raven is also something that was probably supposed to happen earlier going off of the post credits scene in volume 2 that got reconnected into being All Just a Dream, and it's definitely going to end up happening sooner or later, so why retread?

edited 5th Feb '17 10:21:18 AM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44988: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:24:26 AM

I have no idea what "telegraphing" you're talking about, I haven't seen anything that I would take that away. But even if she did go meet Raven, do you honestly think she'd join her group of roaming murderous bandits?

Honestly, I'd take them not showing which direction she went as a way to add in a little mystery to an otherwise obvious choice, while still having her make the obvious choice. It's a bit cheap, but it's hardly an uncommon tactic, and I have no problem seeing RWBY using it.

edited 5th Feb '17 10:25:31 AM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44989: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:32:11 AM

[up] Raven clearly is privy to some of the very uncomfortable truths being kept from our heroes by Ozpin and co, and while I don't think Yang would go off and join Raven's gang, someone the revelations there could send her down a darker path, while also giving us some much needed "filling in" on what's really going on. Note that when I say "tempted", I don't mean she'll necessarily have a Face–Heel Turn, though I wouldn't rule that out just yet, but becoming more anti-heroic (the end credits song is very aggressive sounding at times) and or coming dangerously close to the edge and pulling herself back with the support of her friends is definitely something she's been set up for, in the same way Pyrrha was very clearly set up as somebody who would end up dying heroically.

As far as what I think has been done in terms of foreshadowing, to start with there's Blake drawing parallels between the descent into villainy she witnessed in Adam and Yang, and Taiyang saying he sees a great deal of Raven in Yang, but is glad that he doesn't see all of her, which is Tempting Fate, especially given "Armed and Dangerous" suggests Yang has learned all of the wrong lessons from her brush with death. (doubling down on the anger issues and headstrong tendencies that got her into danger in contrast with Ruby coming to realize that her impulsiveness and naivete nearly got everyone killed.)

edited 5th Feb '17 10:41:30 AM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44990: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:41:02 AM

[up]I don't know why you'd assume Raven knows more about Ozpin than the others. She probably thinks he'll fail for being too soft and unwilling to sacrifice those too weak. Being a Social Darwanist has already been firmly established as part of her character.

Your point about Blake drawing parallels between Adam and Yang falls apart when you take into account Yang wasn't in the wrong and framed, and that Taiyang specifically notes he's glad that he doesn't see all of Raven in Yang.

edited 5th Feb '17 10:42:45 AM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44991: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:42:51 AM

[up] She seems to know at least as much as Qrow (enough to know about the relics and Salem and the Maidens), who based on the end credits knows more about Ozpin than he let on, and probably more about a great many other mysteries. As far as the signposting goes, that sort of talk is Tempting Fate regardless of the validity of Blake's fears and Taiyang's relief; those claims are kind of meaningless (and a violation of Show, Don't Tell) unless they end up being tested, and while they definitely suggest Yang will remain resolute in the face of such temptation, they also suggest it will at least happen at some point.

edited 5th Feb '17 10:46:30 AM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44992: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:46:16 AM

Qrow really didn't hide anything pertinent to the discussion from them about Ozpin. The only important part at the time was that he was missing. Now that Oscar has found them, I can't image he's not going to to fill them in about him and that situation.

So it's meaningless because it hurts your point then?

edited 5th Feb '17 10:48:21 AM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44993: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:47:44 AM

[up] "Oh yeah, and Ozpin is actually a body surfing (or reincarnating if you prefer) immortal demi-god, so we need to keep an eye out for his next incarnation."

That's a pretty big omission, considering all RNJR knows about Ozpin is that he's some old master huntsman guy.

edited 5th Feb '17 10:48:30 AM by CaptainCapsase

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#44994: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:48:05 AM

Think you're reading a bit way too much into the song honestly. It just sounds like the heroes are done licking their wounds and are ready to fight back. I don't get how you can interpret that as a sign of Yang falling into the dark side, especially her playful tone and line in her last appearance.

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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#44995: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:48:28 AM

I really don't want Yang to turn evil or something like that. Not really a fan of "close siblings suddenly turning hostile for eachother for some reason".

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44996: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:49:20 AM

[up][up][up]What good would telling them that have done at the time? He told them Ozpin was missing and he was, now that he's come back and everything else he's told them, not filling them in on this seems unlikely to me.

edited 5th Feb '17 10:51:23 AM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44997: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:49:44 AM

[up][up][up] She sounds playful, but the lines make it seem like she really hasn't learned anything good from her harrowing experience; she's doubling down on the hotheadedness and carefree tendencies that were partially responsible for getting her into so much trouble.

[up][up] I'm fairly neutral on whether it will actually result in a Face–Heel Turn (and even in that scenario Even Evil Has Loved Ones will probably be in effect such that Yang refuses to directly fight Ruby despite finding her sister on the opposing side), but I would argue she has been set up to be tempted. Not necessarily turned I must reiterate, but tempted, in the same way Luke Skywalker was repeatedly tempted by the dark side in Star Wars.

[up] It would have answered the unasked by extremely obvious question of "how the fuck does Ozpin know about all of this?"

edited 5th Feb '17 10:52:37 AM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44998: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:52:06 AM

[up]You mean a question they didn't ask or care about?

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#44999: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:53:25 AM

[up][up][up]And once again, you are reading way too much into it. There's nothing suggesting anything you're talking about aside from your own assumptions. It's especially jarring because she just had a discussion with her Dad about she needs some direction and to think about ways to get around certain situations than just blindly going through them.

So you're basically saying she's gonna ignore all of that...based on a few vague song lyrics?

edited 5th Feb '17 10:54:15 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#45000: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:54:07 AM

[up][up] That's not my point, my point was that he was holding back information from RNJR, certainly about Ozpin and probably also about Salem. "It just wasn't relevant" at the time doesn't cut it.

[up] We'll have to see, but the songwriters are in the loop of the overall plot along with the writers, and the OST has been used extensively for foreshadowing purposes. It would hardly be the first time character development got abruptly reversed in RWBY, *cough* Blake, or the first time the show sent mixed signals about characters.

edited 5th Feb '17 10:57:40 AM by CaptainCapsase


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