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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44951: Feb 4th 2017 at 1:06:47 PM

[up] He's going to be very, very important in volume 5, probably taking Cinder's place as The Heavy for the volume. he shows up at the end of episode 12, if you haven't seen it yet.

So yeah, as far as the division of lines and screentime goes, Apparently this is the first season where someone had more lines than Ruby; that someone being Blake. Second place is Weiss despite her being Out of Focus this volume, and third is Jaune, cementing him as the series's Deuteragonist.

edited 4th Feb '17 1:08:53 PM by CaptainCapsase

Prime_of_Perfection Where force fails, cunning prevails Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#44952: Feb 4th 2017 at 1:21:30 PM

That's part of why I feel almost every villain scene with them alone can be cut. Focusing on the evil council, not Salem, only 1 is relevant to the volume. 1 shows up in passing in a scene I now feel could be cut since everything but the stinger can with Oscar. They do nothing and from the info we learn from Salem, it's mostly the same info we learn from Qrow or can find out with the protagonists. Now, I'm all for dramatic irony, it's one of my favorites for suspense writing, but I feel the suspense doesn't work as well here since they're so shrouded in mystery and mystery appears to be what they're going for. So better for us to keep the lens on RWBY and RNJR as a whole, with Qrow and little touches there leading to discoveries. Have us learn with them. I'd still keep Qrow and Raven's meeting and feel Qrow works for a spotlight role given how close he was to them and the information following him reveals. Regardless, he can introduce the relics and so on. I stick to my belief that you keep Cinder's fate shrouded for a bit since I do know people, myself included, would be antsy and Tyrian showing up to avenge her raises so many questions. Plus I think that's a place speculation is okay. I'd save Cinder reveal for near end with her training with Salem and the burning the image of Ruby and so on. It's irrelevant to this volume otherwise, but serves as a good show of what's to come. So yeah, my top thoughts so far is more selectiveness on scenes and greater pressure for Ruby, Weiss, Yang, and Blake. They missed a great opportunity to use The White Fang, especially with Weiss. I know how I'd do Whitley's betrayal too. I'd have him support Weiss in trying to change his mind on Faunus treatment then when she tries to Call The Old Man Out, he voices something else entirely that supports their dad and abandons her.

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#44953: Feb 4th 2017 at 1:48:36 PM

Apparently the finale won't air until next week for non-sponsors.

doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#44954: Feb 4th 2017 at 2:14:47 PM

[up][up] I'd prefer his betrayal being entirely in Weiss's head and he's just completely passive to avoid conflict with their father than rebelling or him realizing he can just let her hang herself with Jacques because its obvious how things are going to go to anyone who knows the two of them.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44955: Feb 4th 2017 at 2:29:33 PM

@Prime: Now, as far as that exchange about Where Yang is going, I didn't mean that it's DEFINITELY an animation error or a deliberate attempt to mess with the viewers, I'm just saying that, given the huge number of animation errors that RWBY has, Yang seemingly heading towards Mistral when the shot is designed in a way that obscures the signpost isn't a clear sign that she's going after Ruby, more a case of mixed signals that muddy the waters.

Prime_of_Perfection Where force fails, cunning prevails Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#44956: Feb 4th 2017 at 2:34:24 PM

I wouldn't go that route because of Weiss' arc. I'd have her stuck between the previous situation she was in, afraid to speak up to her father, and trying to appease her father. But at the same time, we've seen her identity evolved from there. So, up until this point, there is small hints of it, but she's not there yet to commit to that change. She needs a push. Who better to provide that push than family? Besides, it also makes Whitley a good shadow and not too sympathetic because the idea is to get sympathy on Weiss, the protagonist's, side. Also, what's the point of having him there otherwise? Unless the idea is to make him an ally who can play the inside man to Weiss' outside man.

[up] That's fair. The actual animation side isn't my error of expertise, so I just can't say for certain. I will say though that if she winds up going to the bandits, I'd feel they screwed up animation wise. That said, honestly, I don't think they've the guts to portray Yang going down anything beyond the less "ideal" route. I see them playing it safe. I would have her flirt with the path far more closely before ultimately rejecting it for the same reason Qrow did.

edited 4th Feb '17 2:42:04 PM by Prime_of_Perfection

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44957: Feb 4th 2017 at 2:47:39 PM

[up] If Red Versus Blue is any indication, the writers definitely have the stomach for that sort of thing, the question is whether or not they actually will have Yang come close to or actually pull a Face–Heel Turn, even if only temporarily. Of all the main characters, she's definitely the most at risk for taking a darker path.

edited 4th Feb '17 2:54:09 PM by CaptainCapsase

Prime_of_Perfection Where force fails, cunning prevails Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#44958: Feb 4th 2017 at 2:58:29 PM

I sadly don't trust Red vs. Blue as a show of them alone, especially since they aren't the sole writers of it. Judging based on RWBY alone, I just don't have the highest feelings for them as writers. I don't think they're bad either - I know bad writers, from personal interactions and works I've explored over the years - just not the greats. I'd put them around average right now.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44959: Feb 4th 2017 at 3:09:37 PM

[up] I feel like I have gotten a fairly good sense of the mindset of the writers based on my good record at "I Knew It!" moments with this show compared to pretty much everything else I've watched, and my intuitive feeling is that Yang would be heading towards Raven because that's more in line with the "flags" I've picked up on in regards to what direction they're taking her character. Yang is almost definitely going to be "tempted" by the dark side, and might even fall, at least for a time.

As far as the caliber of the writers, I'd say above average, but very inconsistent in terms of quality.

edited 4th Feb '17 3:10:58 PM by CaptainCapsase

Prime_of_Perfection Where force fails, cunning prevails Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#44960: Feb 4th 2017 at 3:25:00 PM

The inconsistent aspect is part of why I rank around average, though I can agree they're above most averages. I value consistency big time when it comes to creating stuff and I feel a solid understanding of story craft is key to that. They can tell a good story, hence why I watch. A good story is just a story that's worth hearing that the world wants to hear. I feel things get rocky with them with a good story well told. Their handling of story craft feels wonky at times when executing ideas and handling the more serial side of things. I find them better in a bubble more often than not.

With Yang, we shall see, but I'm fairly certain on this one. If I am wrong, I'll be pleased as I don't want to be right. I might criticize they could have done more to get to that point, especially with this season when she was vulnerable and instead just let her chill and take her time to recover, but that's another matter entirely.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44961: Feb 4th 2017 at 3:33:54 PM

[up] I should note that the lyrics of "Armed and Ready" don't paint her current mindset as all that healthy, despite the apparent recovery. The outlet of her trauma has seemingly just shifted from depression to anger, which is fairly realistic and definitely believable, and it also sounds like she learned the wrong lessons from her experience; "don't take shit from anyone" rather than "look before you leep." Incidentally, that's the exact opposite of what Ruby took away from her own experience in volume 4, and while they could have shown it better, there's definitely a character arc there.

edited 4th Feb '17 3:36:57 PM by CaptainCapsase

ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#44962: Feb 4th 2017 at 6:00:01 PM

alright, season done, final thoughts:

i am SO excited for the soundtrack to come out and for it to mess up my spotify recommendations by injecting a bunch of jpop into my playlists.

animation quality was great, though execution started weak. they hit their stride halfway through, so i'm pretty pumped about the future.

boss fight was underwhelming as a whole, though i appreciate how good crwby is at working death flags now. like i mentioned before, i had no doubts about the outcome of a fight that monty choreographed, but the execution kept me coming back for more

jaune's sword is also a sword!

regarding the council of evil, i think they were introduced this season to be recurring villains for several more seasons, if not for the entirety of the series. tbqh, i'm not entirely sure how you raise the stakes further after defeating the mother of grimm, so i suspect they'll be milking salem as a looming force for a couple years at the least, but each season will try to keep focus with what's essentially a Monster of the Week (like the nuckalavee)

with the whole epilogue spiel, i guess the theme for this volume was "why do you keep fighting?"

edited 4th Feb '17 6:05:48 PM by ch00beh

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44963: Feb 4th 2017 at 6:21:30 PM

[up] As far as Jaune's sword, I see Ruby still has her thing for cool weapons. In more bloodborne parallels, his weapon is very similar to Ludwig's Holy Blade, with a shield mode alongside the longsword/arming sword modes.

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#44964: Feb 4th 2017 at 6:58:00 PM

Oh yeah, I forgot to comment on that! The sword was cool.

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ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#44965: Feb 4th 2017 at 8:46:28 PM

watched the episode again and i'm much happier with it now that i'm not filled with the constant dread of ren/nora/qrow kicking it. ruby's moves in the fight were dopenasty.

edited 4th Feb '17 8:46:54 PM by ch00beh

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#44966: Feb 4th 2017 at 8:53:14 PM

So, is the knife Ren had new or something?

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ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#44967: Feb 4th 2017 at 8:56:04 PM

his dad gave it to him in the flashback and presumably he's kept it in his boot ever since.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#44968: Feb 4th 2017 at 9:09:26 PM

Well that knife is fucking sharp then, seeing how easily it was able to dismember the damn Grimm, when none of the other blades were even leaving visible cuts.

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#44969: Feb 5th 2017 at 3:52:13 AM

Can I ask what kind of name is Leo Lionheart? Like if he had one or another in his name, that wouldn't be a problem, but having both just seems like too much.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#44970: Feb 5th 2017 at 4:00:35 AM

[up]To further hammer in the the Final Fantasy 8 reference, they even cut to Qrow's weapon sitting in the corner, and it kind of looks like Squall's gunblade.

...

Ren's "For my father, mother, and for myself" would have been cool if they'd just had him do a monologue - it was cheesy but it was funny - then they ruined it by having him say the last part. Plus, his dramatic execution of the Grimm was kind of awkward. He's lucky the Nukalevee couldn't stretch it's neck.

...

Why did they obscure Lionheart? I can't tell if it's dude or a lady from that shot. And the moment we meet them next Volume we're going to know who it is, so obscuring them seemed pointless. For the last two volumes we had a "big character reveal" - Cinder, Adam, Jacques. Now they want to be all mysterious?

edited 5th Feb '17 4:03:16 AM by Soble

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shinigamiPeter Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#44971: Feb 5th 2017 at 6:49:46 AM

The credits song, Armed and Ready, is here!

    Lyrics 
It happens every night

I watch my world ignite

But there’s no waking from this nightmare

The stage is always set

The place I can’t forget

The hidden eyes that I can feel there

My eyes are opened wide

I’m racing to her side

There’s nothing that I won’t do for her

But this is not a dream

My mind repeats the scene

I can’t forget it and it’s torture

That was before

But not anymore

I’ve left it behind

As much as I’ve lost

Once I’m across

I’ll fight

I’ve found the strength to grow so much more

A whisper to a roar

No more crying

It’s time for me to soar

I feel like I’m finally unbroken

I feel like I’m back from the dead

My strength back,

Recovered it’s glowing

Out of my way cause I’m armed and ready!

(Armed and Ready)

Ready!

(Armed and Ready!)

I’m Ready!

(Armed and Ready!)

Ready! Ready!

(Armed and Ready!)

Did not belong too well

My time a living hell

The night my enemy would conquer

But now I’ve been set free

Lived through the tragedy

You’ll wish you killed me now I’m stronger

I am the Golden One

Who burns just like the Sun

Next time we meet is your disaster

I’ll bring the punishment

This time won’t be lament

Revenge my happily ever after

My misery

My agony

Has taught me to fight

The pain I went through

Left me with a new born grasp

I live my life like every day’s the last

No living in the past

Best Day’s ever!

I’m never looking back!

I feel like I’m finally unbroken

I feel like I’m back from the dead

My strength back,

Recovered it’s glowing

Out of my way cause I’m armed and ready!

(Armed and Ready)

Ready!

(Armed and Ready!)

I’m Ready!

(Armed and Ready!)

Ready! Ready!

(Armed and Ready!)

Call me sweetheart and I’ll tear you apart

Just call me sir

Try to resist

Once you meet my new fist

Bye, Bye

Just look at the fire in my eyes

And bring my Strawberry Sunrise

It was you who began it

Now you’re saying goddammit

Next time there’s no compromise

I feel like I’m finally unbroken

And now I’m back from the dead

My strength back,

Recovered it’s glowing

Out of my way cause I’m armed and ready!

(Armed and Ready)

Ready!

(Armed and Ready!)

I’m Ready!

(Armed and Ready!)

Ready! Ready! Ready!!!

(Armed and Ready!)

edited 5th Feb '17 7:11:17 AM by shinigamiPeter

ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#44972: Feb 5th 2017 at 7:57:08 AM

SO pumped for the soundtrack

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#44973: Feb 5th 2017 at 9:00:50 AM

The finale is up for non-sponsors btw.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44974: Feb 5th 2017 at 9:21:57 AM

Apparently a lot of people are expecting our heroes time in Mistral to resemble the Ba Sing Sae arc in Avatar the Last Airbender. I could see it maybe.

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#44975: Feb 5th 2017 at 9:34:03 AM

So, the finale.

  • So the only thing Nuck has for himself was stretchy arms (admittedly, superstrong arms). IMO the fight was reasonable, and the damn thing was unnerving despite the windmill arms (or maybe because of it). It got rather tense, too, so props for that.
  • Nora no, that's a bad time for pantyshots. Also, Jaune's sword is also a sword. Of course he'd use Ludwig's, the fucking scrub.
  • I can't decipher the little scene between Qrow and Jaune, for that matter. Did he mistake him with Taiyang, perhaps?
  • Huh. Well, having an actual airship does help in getting to Mistral in one volume. Speaking of the smoke Nucky left behind, I'm surprised nothing happened during his extended execution. I was fully expecting it to try and bite Ren's face off or something.
  • That execution was brutal, though.
  • Frankly I'm surprised that the pilot guy saw the kid of SDC president on the run and just went "aight, sure, gimme the lien".
    • My first complaint would be that the whole Atlas subplot didn't amount to much, particularily Wheatley. Like, I suppose we have an insight into what's going on, Ironwood kinda losing it, Jacques being a dick and all that, but... eh.
  • I presume that's an old White Fang flag? Definitely looks much better than the edgy one they're using now.
  • Illia answers directly to Fox Bros. Sad to say nothing came out of "shall we tell Brother Adam" thing, unless Illia was meant for that.
  • Man. Taiyang must be heavily depressed. I presume he didn't go with Yang due to some serious injury from years past. Yang's new do looks great. Oh hey, Captain cameo!
  • Cinder seems to be getting over the whole "holding back" thing. She'll return, but not smug; she'll be angry. Extra insight on Emerald's semblance; can everyone in the room see Ruby's Illusion or is it just Cinder and herself?
    • Merc continues to be silent. ;-;
  • JNR threesome, yesssss
  • I refuse to believe Yang's going after Ruby. Yes, all signs point to that, but that just... feels eh. Plus, it just sorta ignores Raven and the mystery around her.
  • I'm displeased to see Leo Lionheart (really?) be a traitor. In hindsight, I guess it makes sense, but it's also proving Ironwood - who's been kinda unhinged lately - right. Plus, this doesn't seem to mesh with Salem's plan of dropping Haven next.
  • Qrow's back to being operable (and drunk). Also, he knows about Ozpin's bodysurfing. Rather casual about it, too. Now, is this "override consciousness" a thing as well?
  • Oh right, Oscar's full name is Oscar Pines, apparently. Of course. Salem's clique's names have also been revealed; Arthur Watts, Hazel Rainart and Tyrian Callows. You tell me what these might mean.
  • Neo once again confirmed to return.

So... now we wait for Chibi 2, I presume?

[up] What would that entail?

edited 5th Feb '17 9:34:29 AM by FergardStratoavis


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