While it has a large kill count has it been confirmed to have killed anything above village soldier because if it does fall it here to teamwork or the timely arrival of Raven it would echo back to what Ren's father said about the village needing a huntsman to fight that creature.
Overall the grim are definitely a threat we just happen to see the people trained to fight these things. Only recently have we seen the grim that students can't handle alone without backup.
Wounded huntsman was able to survive a bandit attack and kill the grim that arrived afterwards so we have plenty of evidence that huntsman are a step above the average person in terms of combat ability.
"Shall I use you, or make you mine... I'm not so sure what I'll do." - DorthyThing is, there is nowhere for Nuck to hide in there. They're standing in the open, it can be heard getting closer and Ren's panicked expression (complete with a close-up of both its heads) indicates that he's looking straight at it.
It's not behind them, else he would turn around. He's looking past Lancaster and Qrow, straight ahead... but there isn't a thing there.
edited 29th Jan '17 4:13:09 PM by FergardStratoavis
It's obviously just for dramatic flair. Calling it a plot hole makes it sound more important than it actually is, but at the same time I doubt there's actually going to be any more to it.
What's more important and annoying is how people either get to places as quickly or slowly as the plot demands with no proper justification.
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Yeah, but he has a great huntsman's soul combined with his, and he's gradually discovering Ozpin's memories. I don't think it will happen right away. Probably sometime in the middle of next season. But I don't think it's strange to think the "greatness" Ozpin told him he had an opportunity for is probably going to involve fighting alongside huntsmen at some point.
edited 29th Jan '17 6:52:04 PM by xanderiskander
Not much to say about this episode that hasn't already been said.
Plot is finally moving, but the only thread that seemed like it was an entire season's worth of material was Blake's.
Tyrian's return to Cinder was confusing both in terms of travel timenote and his motivation for returning. He knew that Cinder was going to be pissed at him for not completing his assignment, so why return at all? He knew that he'd poisoned Crow, so all he had to do was stay in hiding for a few days and then attack RNJR and an incapacitated Crow and problem solved.
I think they're hitting Cinder a little too hard with Badass Decay. At the end of season 3, she orchestrated the Fall of Beacon, gained the Fall Maiden's full powers, and decisively defeated several of the series' most powerful characters one after the other. The beginning of season 4 revealed that she'd been maimed by Ruby's powers (which was a great twist, because it pulled her back from becoming a Villain Sue), and has done nothing but get yelled at by Salem since. The fact that she was shocked and apparently appalled by Tyrian being a psychotic freak was going too far, in my opinion. This is the woman who wants to burn down human civilization. One nutjob going a little crazy on a grimm really shouldn't phase her.
Blake don't get no respect. Sun eavesdrops on her with her father; her parents eavesdrop on her with Sun. Blake's existence is suffering confirmed. Sun's speech at Blake was good, but seemed to miss the fact that responsibility goes two ways. If Blake's friends are allowed to protect her without her permission, then she's allowed to protect them (by running away) without their permission. The taking over White Fang thing is interesting and I think it's a great idea in terms of plot development, but I'm not sure I trust them to do it properly. Sun and Blake taking White Fang back from the extremist wing and turning it into a force for good again is awesome, but it's also a full-time job. They can't just punch Adam, declare themselves leaders, and then go back to having adventures with Team RWBY. I wouldn't mind seeing Blake and Sun off on their own plot thread doing White Fang things from here on out, but I don't really trust the show to actually let them do that.
Boss grimm is underwhelming me. Maybe if they'd built it up earlier, had it stalking RNJR or shown that it had been razing villages recently or something. That it's apparently just been hanging around for ten years in order to provide Ren with some character development when he encountered it again seems meh.
Speaking of Ren, the whole "splitting the team up" thing seems to have gone nowhere, which is a pity. That actually could have led to some interesting things. Instead they just dropped it.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.I didn't like that either. It seemed like set-up for a softening of her villainy.
Everything we've seen of Cinder has served to soften her. Though, I do agree the thing with Tyrian isn't a good way to do it.
Also, Jovian, I think you might be giving Cinder a bit too much credit. Really, all she was doing was following Salem's plan. Gladly, mind you, but she's never been the mastermind, which is why something like her turning is even palatable in the first place.
Also, Sun did acknowledge that protection is a two way street: he said she's free to do what she wants and they're free to do what they want. If the two conflict then it just becomes a battle of wills.
edited 29th Jan '17 9:14:23 PM by LSBK
@ Xander:
Memories are one thing, but that doesn't substitute for actual training and building up muscle memory. It'd also be strange for the "greatness" Oz was talking about to be something as petty as fighting seeing as he was the biggest advocate for not rushing in and taking things out with force and only ever got involved physically when everything had hit the fan. He doesn't strike me as the "being a huntsman is the only way to be great" sort.
But mostly I can't see him joining JNR as Oscar means nothing to any of them and Jaune definitely has an issue with Ozpin over Phyrra's death, and most certainly not seeing them putting an untrained, untested, and complete stranger in charge of their family unit.
I'm assuming you mean Salem and not Cinder. I take his return and behaviour as him being traumatised by losing a limb. Without his stinger he might not feel confident enough to take on RNJR, plus it seemed like he was in constant pain with the way he was walking to Salem. No matter how badass a huntsman he the amount of pain that you'd be in after just suffering an amputation would take it's toll on you.
As for the travel times, I'm banking on them having fixed portals for easy transportation or that Salem's castle is on or near Anima. We've only ever speculated it's on the top of the dragon continent, but three of the four members of Team WTCH have been spotted or were going to Mistral at the start of the season, perhaps they are closer to the heroes then we think.
Given the state of her injuries (missing an eye, her voice all but gone and implied heavy injuries to her left arm and potentially entire left side) I wouldn't agree considering that she still won against five Grimm in a weakened condition. Plus all of her fights before she got the full maiden powers relied on guile, misdirection and retreating (she beat Amber with a three-on-one advantage, Emerald's mind tricks and shooting Amber while her back was turned, then ran away once Qrow popped up, her two fights against Ruby ended with her retreating - albeit in neither case did she have anything to gain from staying and fighting - and weren't particularly dominating) while her two fights afterwards were very hard fought affairs (all we saw of the Ozpin fight saw her failing to land a single blow and getting curb stomped by him, while her fight with Pyhrra was definitively in her favour but did require her full attention and she still needed the Grimm Dragon to bail her out).
We don't know what Cinder's (or Salem's) end goals are, how much of human civilization gets burned down is up in the air. I'll make the comparison to Lex Luthor and the Joker. Lex is fully prepared to do some pretty evil stuff, but the Joker is just pure insanity and violence wrapped in a clown-shaped package. No matter how evil Lex is he's still going to be unnerved by Joker's insanity.
I also don't agree (shocking I know). It wasn't a speech about responsibility, it was Sun saying that Blake could make her own choices, but she didn't have the right to make her friend's choices for them. She can run away, but she can't stop her friends from following, and she doesn't get to take away from their choices if they get hurt.
I would like to see a Grimm intelligent and malicious enough to hunt down a survivor from a village it had slaughtered, that'd be cool. I'm hoping that this Grimm at one point in the fight turns and stares right at Ren as if it recognises him, and singles him out of the group.
"It's come to my attention we have one episode left and despite being in the opening Adam hasn't actually appeared once. ...Perhaps that'll change next episode. "
he better cut something ifthat true, the edge should never go dull
"Adam is still working towards Salem's goal, but he plans on betraying Sienna Khan, but Salem sent Hazel to make sure things were good with Sienna Khan. Did we miss something here or is Adam just trying to do his own thing while also keeping in line with Salem's plans?"
She send Hazel who is one of the biggest chararter so far(really, that guy is huge) to compell her into their aliance, so probably Adam know that and is wating Hazel to finish her and take the WF.
"The beginning of season 4 revealed that she'd been maimed by Ruby's powers (which was a great twist, because it pulled her back from becoming a Villain Sue), and has done nothing but get yelled at by Salem since."
the yelling is to give her devolpment, cinder want power and to be fear and hear, now she got that and not in the way she wanted.
" No matter how evil Lex is he's still going to be unnerved by Joker's insanity."
Also, is clear Cinder dosent mantain much contact with the rest of the team, they are like Ozpin team(which is deliberate, they seen to mirror Ozpin team) Tyrian being so ball up insane could faze her for a moment
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"If Blake's friends are allowed to protect her without her permission, then she's allowed to protect them (by running away) without their permission.
Blake's plan for protecting them is pretty much pointless unless Adam is totally unwilling to hurt them without her seeing it happen and doesn't consider just recording to show her him hurting or killing them good enough. Or has no interest in taking them prisoner to try and blackmail Blake. She's not doing anything to keep him from finding out about them as there's no reason for him to not know who they are already since their team was broadcast across the world during the tournament so not being there isn't going to stop him from finding out about them. He's already seen Yang and knows he can hurt her through her, the White Fang already targets the Schness so he has no reason not to target Weiss to begin with.
And in Ruby's case her plan is actively making her ability to protect her worse since by running away since she doesn't know she's going after Cinder who Adam is working with so he has no reason not to target her the second she gets close to interfering with their plan unless ordered off.
Oh yeah, Blake's bit. I couldn't sympathize with her at all since I've heard that argument a hundred times in superhero stories and it always ends the exact same way. Especially since it's always rather stupid. I understand the logic behind the desire but the methodology always leaves little to be desired.
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well, he only need to hear about white fang member who saw her and her friend: a red scythe child, a schnee(that should piss him the most), that girl who he maimed and that other monkey faunus.
is stupid here because at least super have secret identity, Blake dont and Adam already know her so she is just running away....again.
No he's not. Lex regularly incorporates the Joker's madness into his schemes and subordinates the clown's agenda to his own. In his own words, he regards Joker as "sick in the head but fascinating company", and no matter how many times they fall out over ideology, they always end up working together again. Inasmuch as either one of them is capable of caring about anybody else, they are friends, and despite the obvious Lawful Evil/Chaotic Evil divide are one another's go-to partners for a Villain Team-Up.
I'm more or less with Jovian on the subject of Cinder. While I'm not opposed to the idea of her realizing she's in over her head and turning around, it's happening far too quickly. You'd expect one of her henchmen to turn first, and yet the story seems to have all but forgotten them.
Speaking of Ren, the whole "splitting the team up" thing seems to have gone nowhere, which is a pity. That actually could have led to some interesting things. Instead they just dropped it.
I'm going to echo this. If the nuckleave thing had been introduced back in Episode 1 and stalked them all season I'd be a lot more hyped for this confrontation. As it is, it feels pretty flat. The opening episodes built up Salem and her goon squad as the main threat of the season and now they too have been sidelined in the name of a non-character as the Final Boss.
And what was the point of splitting up the teams if they were going to reunite almost immediately?
edited 30th Jan '17 8:52:51 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Except Tyrian being crazy apparently freaks her out? It's weird, and doesn't follow very well with what we've seen of the character so far.

Now we wait for the last episode. Hopefully, it is a long one.
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