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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#44651: Jan 27th 2017 at 12:32:19 PM

The show does need "breather seasons" though to avoid the escalation trap many series fall into, where each season or instalment needs to have higher stakes than the one before it, inevitably reaching the point where they can't escalate any further and suffering for it.

Or to put it another way, this is season 11 of Red vs Blue. A less intense plot for the first 90% with the last 10% heating up and setting up the next two seasons.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44652: Jan 27th 2017 at 12:38:31 PM

None of that excuses what some of us see as bad pacing, but as long as people get that's were I'm coming from I could care less what a "breather season" is.

edited 27th Jan '17 12:39:43 PM by VeryMelon

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44653: Jan 27th 2017 at 12:45:21 PM

I understand that's your issue. The way other people have been talking, leads me to believe what they would consider "good pace" would be much worse than what's actually happened.

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#44654: Jan 27th 2017 at 12:46:02 PM

A "breather season" would be fine if the current plot gets wrapped up and you want to play around with the characters without some impending threat lurking around, kind of like what RvB did last year. But we're in the middle of Salem stuff right now.

edited 27th Jan '17 12:46:45 PM by Karxrida

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44655: Jan 27th 2017 at 12:47:23 PM

[up] It's only really a breather relative to season 3's second half, and you can't maintain that sort of breakneck pace forever.

edited 27th Jan '17 12:47:35 PM by CaptainCapsase

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#44656: Jan 27th 2017 at 12:54:43 PM

To be fair, I feel like we're learning more stuff or getting more things done in V4 than we did in V1 or 2.Those were sloooooow. Remember the Jaundice arc?

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#44657: Jan 27th 2017 at 12:56:42 PM

"Breather Season"

Well "Breather Half-Season" and "Breather Two-Thirds Of A Season" didn't roll of the tongue. I suppose "breather arc" might have worked.

I probably shouldn't have called it a "breather season" in the first place. A Breather Season would basically be RWBY Chibi.

edited 27th Jan '17 1:01:40 PM by Soble

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#44658: Jan 27th 2017 at 1:00:47 PM

But we're in the middle of Salem stuff right now.

I mean, would you rather Salem and her posse do nothing for an entire season? Because that would be bad writing.

We're going to be in the middle of Salem stuff until things come to a climax or Salem ends up becoming a non-issue (which I don't see without the former).

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#44659: Jan 27th 2017 at 2:01:59 PM

" we did in V1 or 2.Those were sloooooow. Remember the Jaundice arc?"

or volume 3 that is pretty much "some bad shit is going to happen...but first, let see this pointless tournament", that WAS bad.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44660: Jan 27th 2017 at 2:13:26 PM

I mean, the tournament was a part of making the bad shit happen. Though, admittedly, not all the matches we saw were apart of that.

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#44661: Jan 27th 2017 at 2:14:09 PM

The Vytal Festival was cool and something that had been built up to. Also, how was it pointless? The events of the tournament are the cause for the chaos that Volume 3 closed on.

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#44662: Jan 27th 2017 at 2:37:55 PM

The thumbnail for the next episode came out.

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#44663: Jan 27th 2017 at 2:45:28 PM

I - and everybody here, I think - would appreciate if you had linked it rather than just said it's out.

edited 27th Jan '17 2:46:06 PM by FergardStratoavis

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#44665: Jan 27th 2017 at 2:50:35 PM

Well the good news is, more Cinder and, presumably, M&M's.

The bad news is, despite that serene expression, that title makes me think we might see some Seer shenanigans.

edited 27th Jan '17 2:52:00 PM by FergardStratoavis

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#44666: Jan 27th 2017 at 2:51:51 PM

I have trouble with links.

And I think Cinder wants power because she is really insecure.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#44667: Jan 27th 2017 at 2:52:37 PM

Alright, speculation time!

THEORY 1: The episode is about Cinder trying to escape from Salem because she believes she's in too deep now after all that's happened. Likeliness of this being the case? 25%

THEORY 2: The episode is about Weiss finally making her escape from Atlas with the POWER OF HER STAND [GLORY KN-(shot)] ...Likeliness? 40%

THEORY 3: OZPIN ASSUMES DIRECT CONTROL OF OSCAR. LIKELINESS 110%

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#44668: Jan 27th 2017 at 2:52:56 PM

Or at least he was told to make sure to take Ozpin's cane with him if he ever were to go missing or die;

That's what I said. :)

Something else that occurs to me about Ozpin; a lot of people think he was the king of vale, but I'm not sure that was the case; the King apparently put his most trusted associates in charge of the academy...

While I don't dismiss the Merlin theory by any means, I'm just going to point this out:

The Great War episode tells us that the king founded the Academies. Ozpin tells Oscar that he helped build Haven and once gave the Haven headmaster a gift of a tea set. Qrow tells Team RNJR that Ozpin's predecessor founded the Academies. Both Ozpin and Qrow want Oscar and Team RNJR to go to Haven.

So, taking all of those statements together, The King of Vale became the headmaster of Beacon Academy, and put three very trusted confidantes in charge of the other three Academies. Ozpin replaced the King of Vale as headmaster of Beacon Academy but the Haven headmaster might — might — actually be one of the King of Vale's confidantes (it depends how old the guy is).

If Ozpin's predecessor is not the King of Vale, then I think the Body Surf went from the king to Beacon's first headmaster, to Ozpin, to Oscar.

Otherwise, the Body Surf has gone from the King of Vale to Ozpin to Oscar.

Either way, while I don't dismiss the Merlin theory, I do think it's more likely that the King of Vale and Ozpin share a Body Surf experience. The Great War episode went out of its way to say the King of Vale tried to avoid sending in the troupes even though people kept telling him to do it. That's Ozpin and Ironwood repeating history.

It would have been interesting to see what Ozpin would have done had the Grimm Dragon not appeared because he clearly made a decision to intervene in the invasion until he saw the dragon. At that point, he seemed to change his mind about what to do next. The Great War episode makes it sound like the King held off a personal intervention for as long as possible until he had no choice.

And, yes, I am still expecting the Haven headmaster to be Salem's informant. Then again, I'm expecting Hazel to turn out to be an evil version of the protagonist leader from Watership Down....

Honestly, you could probably condense the first two Volumes into one and have this be Volume 3.

Well, this originally would have been Volume 3, but Volume 2 got split into two volumes (Volume 2 and Volume 3). That was before the addition of the Maidens (although I get the impression that they didn't have to rejig much and, reading between the lines, the Maiden solved some kind of plot hole they all had which is why the story didn't need much rejigging to accommodate the new addition).

Yeah. A show needs to keep moving and have stuff happen. Just having everything come to a complete halt for an entire season and basically telling the audience to chill for a literal year is ridiculous.

I really don't understand the complaint that the story has come to halt and there's been nothing 'chill' about it. I've found it to be a very plot heavy volume, and the storytelling format the writers are using is quite traditional. Nothing about it surprises me or seems strange. And I personally think the pacing is fine.

I also don't really understand why this is regarded as a 'breather season'. It's not a breather point by any story definition I've personally ever dealt with. Breathers are sideways to the plot, not 'less fighting' and, to be honest, most of the pacing complaints I've been seeing in my Internet travels end up distilling down to 'less villain fights = less plot development'. By the time I get to the end of post-chains, I'm left wondering if people are talking about RWBY or a level-grinding video game.

edited 27th Jan '17 3:09:54 PM by Wyldchyld

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44669: Jan 27th 2017 at 2:58:56 PM

Regarding the new episode, my own guess would be that the title is a dual meaning, in that it'll be both about Ozpin's personality beginning to impose on Oscar to a greater extent, and perhaps also about Cinder trying to maintain control over whatever it was Salem said needed to dread her; the spirits of the previous incarnations of the Fall Maiden perhaps?

edited 27th Jan '17 2:59:16 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44670: Jan 27th 2017 at 3:06:08 PM

Personally, I'd prefer stuff like that wasn't linked. And isn't there a rule against doing that anyway?

Edit: Just a thumbnail this time, but still. As for the episode, probably Mostly Weiss and Cinder stuff. Ozpin "taking control" over Oscar, at least this soon, would be really off to me.

edited 27th Jan '17 3:13:54 PM by LSBK

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#44672: Jan 27th 2017 at 3:12:52 PM

It's a good job I switch off spoilers before I come on to this thread. Since it seems some kind of information is out about the new episode, I'm out of here until Sunday. Hope it's a good episode!

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#44673: Jan 27th 2017 at 3:23:28 PM

Salem: THIS HURTS YOU, CINDER.

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#44674: Jan 27th 2017 at 6:01:21 PM

I don't know about anyone else, but I find the idea of someone else's soul infiltrating your body, and making you turn into them (or at least forcing you to be more like them) to be a really scary concept when you think a little more about it.

Thebrawlbro Since: Aug, 2013
#44675: Jan 27th 2017 at 6:15:38 PM

[up] It's not a good deal for Ozpin either. He's stuck in Oscar's head, unable to communicate with anyone else, unable to do anything but try and guide Oscar.


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