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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#44401: Jan 20th 2017 at 8:04:01 PM

[up][up][up][up] That's not the issue. Those sentences are clearly portraying those who like him as far more thoughtful [lol]

God is right, they're stereotypes. One of which is very unflattering.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#44402: Jan 20th 2017 at 8:07:05 PM

Oh we're talking about Jaune? Sure I'll bite.

Eh, he does kind of hit a lot of the marks for those "unremarkable" protagonists you see a lot in Anime. It's clear he's meant to come off as the Unlucky Everydude you wanna root for. And there's a reason a lot of fanfic and fanart depict him as a Chick Magnet despite only one girl ever expressing an interest in him.

Except...he's not the main character in this case. He's the Deuteragonist yes, but I think it's a number of factors; He gets tons of screentime despite not being apart of the main ensemble of characters. So imagine this character that you don't care for continuously getting more and more screentime compared to the main cast. It's really grating. Truthfully, I think Jaune was supposed to be the main character at first but they changed their mind at the last second, but had his entire character planned out so they just made him the "second" main character.

So basically, he's the main character in all but actuality. Meanwhile, the other members of the main team are woefully underdeveloped compared to him if you look across the whole series. It doesn't help that his character are usually divisive in general.

So yea, I hope that makes sense.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#44403: Jan 20th 2017 at 8:19:07 PM

[up]I think he was add by Miles and Kerry since is more story focus than other, Ruby feel A LOT a monty creation: stylish and uber-badass just like the rest of the team but pretty basic in behivor or devolpment.

at times that happen: a writer can from confortable writen one chararter above others, Jaune just feel more natural, in part because he dosent need to be in front line all the times.

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#44404: Jan 20th 2017 at 8:48:09 PM

[up][up]Apparently that whole 'underdeveloped' thing will change in the new episode.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44405: Jan 20th 2017 at 8:51:10 PM

[up]That's not even a spoiler.

You know, if Qrow wasn't sure what he should have been doing it might have been a better idea to wait before subtly nudging Ruby to go off on a dangerous mission to Haven.

edited 20th Jan '17 9:05:56 PM by LSBK

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#44406: Jan 20th 2017 at 8:58:24 PM

[up]the more you wait, the more you let bad guy to plan something, sure Tyrian wouldl clash with Taiyang instead of him but Hazel and Watt have more time do what Salem order and move.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44407: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:03:57 PM

[up][up] Qrow seems to share a bit of Ruby's tendency to leap before looking.

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#44408: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:09:51 PM

[up]x6 It makes sense, however from what I know of the production process I think Ruby would have always been Monty's choice for main character. The "main character-ness" that comes from Jaune might be from Miles and Kerry, I have heard that Jaune was based off Miles, who voices him.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#44409: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:12:40 PM

[up]Considering Monty lack of storytelling skill may have influence the chararter, I think Miles and Kerry have trouble with Monty creation so far because he desing them to be more badass than deep...and it show.

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#44410: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:34:54 PM

I really like Jaune. I see a lot of myself in him (right down to looking eerily similar) and I always think the clips that focus on Jaune are some of the best in the whole show (especially the little bits in Volume 4).

Though I can definitely see why some of his antics can be grating, especially in the beginning, but I think his dedication to improve (and the fact that he has improved) goes a long way for his character.

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#44411: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:43:55 PM

[up]Yeah, for me he was annoying in volume 2, I think he sarc with Phyrra was pretty much the otaku pandering bullshit, funny thing is I enjoy him a lot in volume 3 after he become more a suporting protagonist.

In fact if this continue, I will feel him and Ren are the real star of the show.

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#44412: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:48:47 PM

[up][up][up][up] Yea, that makes sense. Monty always had a thing for Action Girls who kick ass, which is very evident if you look at his previous works. But like you said, it's hard to ignore how Jaune is pretty blatantly written as a main character.

Monty, Miles, and Kerry probably came to the decision that Ruby and her team would be the faces of the series, since it's still primarily Monty's creation and whatnot but JNPR would get comparable focus.

In fact, wasn't there any interview saying how JNPR were originally supposed to be mostly supporting characters, but ended up becoming the "second main team" along the way?

edited 20th Jan '17 9:49:06 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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#44413: Jan 20th 2017 at 11:08:52 PM

[up]That doesn't sound very likely, given that it seems like this was always the intended path for RWBY to take. Especially since Pyrrha's cremation death has been planned since volume 1.

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#44414: Jan 21st 2017 at 12:24:37 AM

I am pretty sure phyrra didn't like Jaune based on him being nice to her since he was rather dismissive of her initially while he was courting Weiss. Her interest seemed to stem from the fact up until the mention of cereal he knew nothing about her. Plenty of people are nice to her the problem is they put her on a pedestal and think she is to good for them and as a result she probably made few friends before beacon academy. Just needed to point that out after reading the Jaune conversation.

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#44415: Jan 21st 2017 at 7:15:05 AM

You are not going to convince me that "what's your superpower" is something that would have never come up before between them.

I'm not saying they have or haven't. I'm just saying voluntarily sharing Semblance knowledge isn't something we should assume, especially when we've seen a range of options in the show - being able to guess someone's Semblance, volunteering the information, discussing it only when caught using it, actively hiding or downplaying it, etc.

And telling someone he's close to is not the same thing as broadcasting it.

With his kind of Semblance, I'd personally think that telling people he's close to is going to be much harder than complete strangers finding out.

I have to see the scene again but he said that ether she is lying or that she is crazy, yang swear everything she said was truth in which he said "Yeah, you are crazy" them move to leave until they touch the theme of Raven, clearly Qrow didnt really belive her that much, dosent sound much like uncle would said.

I have no problem with the scene, and nothing about the scene makes me think Qrow cares less about her than he does about Ruby. I feel there's a lot of affection and worry for Yang coming through that scene, and that includes the 'you're crazy' bit.

Adam goals is white fang goals since he is the leader and he said as much, he dosent belive equility can exist and therefore human should face "Justice" for what they did to faunus, we dont know what tick this way(maybe he saw to much suffering, maybe he grow bitter, maybe he was always like that) but is goal is clearly know and why.

Bear in mind that Adam's desires came before the White Fang set its current goals because he's one of the three leaders who took over the White Fang in order to change it to its current path.

That doesn't tell us anything about why Adam started thinking that way in the first place. It's certainly not because the White Fang gave him that goal, because it's the other way around.

Sure but them volume 3 come and change things which is why I talk about a disconection here:

Yes, people can use hindsight to revisit an initial interpretation of an earlier scene, but that's not what I was talking about; as I said, you took a sentence of my post out of context and ran along a tangent with it.

we dont really know because it move from "Adam is force into the deal" to "he is throwing faunus to full cinder plan" and something is missing there,

Yes, but I've been saying this from the beginning, which is why I asked what you're arguing with me about, because you keep telling me I'm wrong, or something I'm saying is not true, and then promptly making a very similar argument to the one I previously made. The only difference is that you are assuming it was a forced scene and I'm saying that, while the scene may encourage fans to jump to that conclusion, it - very interestingly - does not come out and actually say that's what happened.

Given the way Salem seems to think Adam is wholeheartedly supporting her cause, I can't help thinking the White Fang is up to something even Salem doesn't yet know anything about.

In fact, wasn't there any interview saying how JNPR were originally supposed to be mostly supporting characters, but ended up becoming the "second main team" along the way?

Yeah, but that decision was made before the show ever began to air, which is why JNPR gets so much screen time in the Volume 1 opening credits. I suspect that, with Jaune being used as the audience's 'in' to the world and Pyrrha's death being planned from the very beginning, they needed to boost the position of the team to 'second main character' to make sure they could actually play the part.

edited 21st Jan '17 7:23:12 AM by Wyldchyld

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#44416: Jan 21st 2017 at 7:58:14 AM

Yakuzu: No offense but "Jaune was originally supposed to be the main character" hás to be one of the weirdest theories I ever read.

Also, Jaune isn't written as a main character, he just hás some tropes which are associated with main characters but that isn't the same thing.

And I'd question the complaint about him getting more screentime than the rest of his team, since that's actually a thing for a lot of teams, Velvet and her team, Sun, Neptune and team SSNS it's just more noticeable with JNPR because they are closer to the spotlight, even then Pyrrha arguably receives just as much as Jaune. (And more on Volume 3, but by then people had already set their minds on the two of them)

edited 21st Jan '17 7:59:32 AM by SaintDeltora

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#44417: Jan 21st 2017 at 8:09:32 AM

Oh my god, Young Ren and Nora are adorable.

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#44418: Jan 21st 2017 at 8:42:14 AM

Solid episode. Ruby actually shows a bit more character and seems to be finally realizing the sheer enormity of the task she's embarked on, Oscar leaves home and sees Hazel at the train station, and Ozpin recognizes him, and we get a flashback to Ren and Nora's past, and see the Grimm that destroyed Kuroyuri, which seems to be on its way to the village right where Ruby and Jaune are.

Seems very likely that Ren and Nora will end up being The Cavalry as expected, Qrow continues to be poisoned, and there's no sign of Raven.

Oh, also, we got a look at what I presume is Ren's semblance, which seems to allow him to hide his aura (and that of people near him) from Grimm, which is how he and Nora survived the destruction of Kuroyuri.

[up][up] Jaune has very clearly been set up as the Deuteragonist of the story, and in volume 4 that's very apparent, but he's not the main character.

Edit: The Grimm that destroyed Kuroyuri looks a lot like a dark souls boss

edited 21st Jan '17 8:58:56 AM by CaptainCapsase

doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#44419: Jan 21st 2017 at 9:15:17 AM

[up] More a Bloodborne boss.

So, that was pretty dark. The Grimm looks like a Nukelavee, and likes to collect trophies from its victims. Kid Ren and Nora were absolutely adorable. Ren's Semblance appears to be some kind of stealth ability, maybe calming negative emotions so Grimm can't notice him?

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#44420: Jan 21st 2017 at 9:17:48 AM

This makes me wonder how this relates to the conversation between Qrow and Raven in episode 4, who exactly Qrow was talking about when he said "I saw the damage."

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#44421: Jan 21st 2017 at 9:35:59 AM

So did the Grimm has anything what would leave the marking we saw on episode 2? Like hooves or something?

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44422: Jan 21st 2017 at 9:39:21 AM

[up] Well yes, that's the obvious implication. It's a horseman Grimm. My big question is whether the horse and the rider are one being like some sort of demonic centaur, or if the humanoid Grimm droy repeatedly theorized would show up is finally here.

doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#44423: Jan 21st 2017 at 9:52:12 AM

[up] It definitely looks attached not riding. If you pause on it when you get the full view you can see it has no legs, instead it has arms reaching down past the horse part.

edited 21st Jan '17 9:54:15 AM by doineedaname

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#44424: Jan 21st 2017 at 9:53:27 AM

I say a centaur Grimm.

Also, we can add Ren to the list of characters that are more protagonist-like that the actual protagonist.

edited 21st Jan '17 9:54:38 AM by Karxrida

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#44425: Jan 21st 2017 at 9:55:43 AM

I am sorry if this has been posted before. To be frank, I have stopped trying to follow this thread at this point.

Happens.

Also, that picture of Drone Penny is making me repeat the lyrics of that "AMERICA, F'CK YEAH" song for some reason.

I... I posted that here too. :( It was real subtle how they disguised Qrow's Semblance through his badassery.

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jaune's the best character and anyone who disagrees fite me

I'll activate the Konami Code and make something fall on your head when you least expect it.

Mercury is the best character among those who haven't been developed as characters. Blake or Yang are actually the best characters in terms of actual development. But since we're comparing characters purely on an awesomeness/vague descriptive level, Mercury is still the best because SHOTGUN BOOTS ARE AWESOME.

IT'S A REN FLASHBACK

And Chibi Ren looks adorable. More adorable than the actual Chibi!Ren. How is that possible?

Wait a damned minute are we... are we actually learning about Ren and Nora's mysterious past instead of seeing what's about to happen to Jaune and Ruby? Or seeing what comes of Blake and Illia? And I kind of want to know what Weiss is about to do.

Damn it show, spread the character development to everyone, you've had 4 seasons!

this is the volume in which everyone gets parents

I'm still betting Blake won't have any after this volume.

edited 21st Jan '17 9:56:50 AM by Soble

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