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ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#44376: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:49:56 PM

this is the volume in which everyone gets parents

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#44377: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:58:37 PM

[up]Except Rubyevil grin

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#44379: Jan 20th 2017 at 2:06:21 PM

You get a parent! You get a parent! Everybody gets parents!

Now we just need to see Cinder's parents (assuming it's not Salem), Nora's parents and grandmother (who according to Chibi punches super strong), and Penny's parents.

ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#44380: Jan 20th 2017 at 3:00:14 PM

Ghira buys shapeless pants for Blake next episode

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#44381: Jan 20th 2017 at 4:12:16 PM

Jaune is the harem protagonist of a non-harem work, if that makes sense.
It... really doesn't.

The defining trait of a harem protagonist is indecision. In order for a harem to form around them, they must refrain from choosing any given member of the harem as their sole romantic partner. Sometimes this is because they're not interested in any of them and so are trying to avoid all of them equally, sometimes it's because they like all of them and thus can't choose between them because they don't want to hurt any of them, and sometimes it's because they're just too milquetoast to actually tell any of them 'no'.

Jaune is definitely not indecisive. He sets goals for himself — ambitious ones — and he pursues them. He had no combat training, but he got himself into Beacon. Weiss was completely out of his league, but that didn't stop him from asking her out. When that didn't pan out, instead he ends up with the girl who's arguably the School Idol. Now he's deeply involved in the whole save-the-world plot, and he's no longer The Load but a contributing member of the team.

Honestly, I find the original quoted post kind of incoherent. It comes off as "I dislike Jaune due to personal preference, but I'm trying to justify that dislike by declaring him an objectively bad character". Yeah, he hits some Unlucky Everydude tropes. Yeah, he's a bit of an Audience Surrogate, especially early on when he's not up to speed on how RWBY-verse combat works and people can explain things to him. Yeah, he ends up with The Ace anyway. All of that is a perfectly legitimate reason to dislike him, but that's just because you dislike those tropes, it doesn't make him a bad character.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44382: Jan 20th 2017 at 4:17:55 PM

I never disliked Juane, but I didn't like him either at the start. The only time he got interesting was when I learned he cheated his way into Beacon Academy. Now, he had a plot hook that I found interesting in itself AND a piece of his character that became interesting due to the context of the twist. Unfortunately Season 3 never followed up on it, and there's little reason for it to come up now.

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#44383: Jan 20th 2017 at 5:05:42 PM

[up][up]I don't dislike Jaune either. I'm just trying to pinpoint where the dislike comes from.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#44384: Jan 20th 2017 at 5:57:34 PM

I don't really get why you all are equating "misfortune" with "deadly mishap that could kill you at any moment".

I certainly don't equate it to being 'automatically lethal'. However, there's only so much successive bad luck a person can put up with before they want their lives to change. And if the change means distancing themselves from the person causing the bad luck, that's a problem for Qrow.

However, we've seen enough to know there's definitely a lethal potential to Qrow's Semblance.

Frankly, I think it's weird that Ruby didn't know about his Semblance before this.

I don't. I don't see why she's automatically entitled to know either Qrow or Tai's Semblances solely on the grounds that she's family to them. I don't even see why she's automatically entitled to know on the grounds of Qrow being her mentor.

It's clear that some people like to avoid advertising their Semblances and prefer to control who knows what about them. Pyrrha was one such person and she didn't have a Semblance that causes the kind of social stigma Qrow's clearly used to receiving from his Semblance.

Given the nature of Qrow's Semblance, I'd find it odd if he was open to discussing it. It's not like he freely mentioned his Semblance to Team RNJR. It was one of those weird 'truth comes out' chats that people sometimes have, and those are rarely comfortable chats, just like this one.

to my knowledge, we haven't seen anything like that happening when Crow was just hanging out with people, and IIRC this is the first time we've really seen him going all out.

I can think of several examples that might be his Semblance at work:

  • He leaves the bar, bar tender drops the glass he's cleaning.
  • He fights Winter, who gets caught red-handed by Ironwood.
  • The nieces can't beat him at video games.
  • Him hanging around Beacon gets it destroyed (sorry, couldn't resist).

He call her crazy after she explain her version of the fact in the arena, something I really doubt will happen if ruby was the one frame.

Yeah, he calls her 'crazy' in that 'I love you' way families do. It's a bait to get more information out of her. It's pretty common for friends and family to do that to each other when they need to get someone to open up.

I dont think is something they have to guess as is fairly smpler set up: the white fang want faunus right but they are more than willing to use violence to achive their means because they dont see anything else as posible, is pretty damn typical

You're talking about the White Fang's collective, public goal. That's not what we're discussing. We're talking about Adam specifically - a single individual, someone we haven't learned enough about to fully understand what makes them tick.

No really: Between black trailer and end of volume 2 we dont know the arrengement between the two so is easy to speculate, come volume 3 at show Cinder pretty much force him to go along which create this disconexion because ether he decide to go with the ride or he is just biding is time or well...something else, we dont really know, it dosent matter if no Cinder plan, is now that he didnt want to carry on and was force by gunppoint into it, only to him carry to point of throwing WF live in it which come as little odd.

You're talking about a different scene to the quote of mine you're responding to. I was talking about the Volume 2 finale scene, you're talking about the Volume 3 scene that came much later on down the road. My comment was merely about the speculation at the time the Volume 2 finale aired, where people were speculating that Cinder was the Queen and therefore it was her plan. A piece of speculation I never agreed with because I thought the Female Narrator was the Queen and therefore I thought the plan was the Female Narrator's, not Cinder's.

In other words, that scene didn't have to be interpreted as partners in charge or as one being subordinate to the other (the two most common theories I saw at the time that episode aired), it could also be interpreted as them both being subordinate to a hidden villain who was the one in charge.

What you're talking about is a Volume 3 scene that happened later on, and therefore isn't related to the sentence you decided to quote and respond to.

However, on the subject of the scene you want to discuss, I will simply point out, again, that every time I mention that we don't know Adam's motives and decisions from that scene, we can only guess, you respond with an objection.... by listing a range of possible motives he might have (as you've just done now). That again supports my point - that Adam's motive isn't known and requires us to speculate on what motive it might be. That's exactly what you're doing. I'm therefore not sure what about my point you're arguing with.

Adam: we are going to fire the light of revolution...consider this the spark

I didn't forget he said that. I watched the scene again before I made my post, so it was fresh in my mind. I stand by what I said in my post.

edited 20th Jan '17 6:02:14 PM by Wyldchyld

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44385: Jan 20th 2017 at 5:58:32 PM

Jaune hit a fair number of the harem protagonist tropes early, but stands out in the sense that he's self aware and dedicated enough to try to develop past being The Load.

edited 20th Jan '17 5:58:40 PM by CaptainCapsase

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44386: Jan 20th 2017 at 6:00:56 PM

When did being a spaz meant you were a harem anime/manga protagonist?

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#44387: Jan 20th 2017 at 6:02:44 PM

[up] Is that Oliver Queen?

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44388: Jan 20th 2017 at 6:03:57 PM

Yes, from the Arrow Season 4 finale.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44389: Jan 20th 2017 at 6:04:07 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]Maybe she's not entitled but she's never asked? Because if she did I don't think he'd lie about it, at most he tried to brush it off only making her more curious/suspicious.

You are not going to convince me that "what's your superpower" is something that would have never come up before between them. And telling someone he's close to is not the same thing as broadcasting it.

edited 20th Jan '17 6:05:06 PM by LSBK

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#44390: Jan 20th 2017 at 6:29:46 PM

" at most he tried to brush it off only making her more curious/suspicious."

Really? Ruby is not the kind of person who is set as curious, if something she is very naive or have set things about people, if he brush out the answer to her, she may just said "meh" and that it

"he calls her 'crazy' in that 'I love you' way families do. It's a bait to get more information out of her. "

I have to see the scene again but he said that ether she is lying or that she is crazy, yang swear everything she said was truth in which he said "Yeah, you are crazy" them move to leave until they touch the theme of Raven, clearly Qrow didnt really belive her that much, dosent sound much like uncle would said.

"You're talking about the White Fang's collective, public goal. That's not what we're discussing"

Adam goals is white fang goals since he is the leader and he said as much, he dosent belive equility can exist and therefore human should face "Justice" for what they did to faunus, we dont know what tick this way(maybe he saw to much suffering, maybe he grow bitter, maybe he was always like that) but is goal is clearly know and why.

"it could also be interpreted as them both being subordinate to a hidden villain who was the one in charge."

Sure but them volume 3 come and change things which is why I talk about a disconection here: in one Adam is going with Cinder plan(or at least the plan she is carrying out) while later we know he was force into the whole thing which create a question: if he still bullied into it? did fuly comit in? did he see Cinder as necesary evil? we dont really know because it move from "Adam is force into the deal" to "he is throwing faunus to full cinder plan" and something is missing there, sense my coment that they are jumping with Adam.

"When did being a spaz meant you were a harem anime/manga protagonist? "

no harem, but Jaune remind me of the "otaku bait" kind of protagonist skinny, losers who are nice to people and take a while to be a badass, kinda like Yuki from mirai mikki or shinji, the fact is love interest was the ace only drive that further.

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God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#44391: Jan 20th 2017 at 6:39:22 PM

When did being a spaz meant you were a harem anime/manga protagonist?

He certainly wasn't in the right genre/scenario, but his demeanor was reminiscent./devilsadvocate

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44392: Jan 20th 2017 at 6:40:14 PM

You know what? I don't even care about it.

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#44393: Jan 20th 2017 at 6:43:06 PM

Aw, that's too bad. I find these discussion absolutely fascinating, because trying to peel apart where everyone is coming from is my idea of fun.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#44394: Jan 20th 2017 at 6:59:57 PM

I'm pretty sure the dislike of Jaune comes from the fact that he started as the Unlucky Everydude. I'm definitely sure that that's also where the like for him comes from. (That's certainly why I like him.)

The dislike is basically "we've got a cast full of characters that are cool and stylish and awesome — why are we wasting time with this pathetic loser?" while the like is "hey, this guy isn't as effortlessly cool/stylish/awesome as everyone else, he actually has to put effort into it — that's actually pretty interesting!".

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#44395: Jan 20th 2017 at 7:09:18 PM

wow that is an incredibly lopsided portrayal about how both sides view him

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#44396: Jan 20th 2017 at 7:12:25 PM

[up][up][up]You can argue with me, I certein consider this a excelent topic too.

[up][up]Pretty much, again is the shinji syndrome: when you call cool chararter, people feel annoyed by the weakes member of the group when you give him protagonism, in fact most hate come from volume 1 and 2, he got better in part because they make him suporting chararter

[up]but is very on the point, Jaune is one of the few chararter with consistent grow over the series and it also one with few badass moments, which help the perception of him.

edited 20th Jan '17 7:14:00 PM by unknowing

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#44397: Jan 20th 2017 at 7:17:14 PM

[up][up]It was one sentence for each side, not an in-depth analysis. It was meant to be the gist of it, not encompass the entirety of every thought that every person has ever had on the subject.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44398: Jan 20th 2017 at 7:29:14 PM

Honestly, Jovian's description doesn't seem that different from the reality of things to me. Being here leaves me with the impression that people have weird expectations of the characters.

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#44399: Jan 20th 2017 at 7:30:43 PM

[up][up]One might argue that it what stereotypes are, boiling down a group to their surface attributes with none of the nuance or past that really makes such people.

edited 20th Jan '17 7:31:06 PM by God_of_Awesome

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#44400: Jan 20th 2017 at 7:31:55 PM

[up][up]Well, RWBY is not a nuance show or story so is easy to see were things are going, and by using a lot of anime tropes he fall into a lot of anime fandom and the "no badass protagonist" is one of them.

edited 20th Jan '17 7:32:16 PM by unknowing

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