x2 For Shocking Swerve reasons. A twist for the sake of it.
Also, I'd like to say that debating Ruby's parentage is much more interesting and a huge improvement over other recent discussions we've had.
Unless so did you and it just turns out that Taiyang and Crow are both enormous trolls.
[Crow] Taiyang never told you about your father... [Ruby] Taiyang is my father, so I have no idea what you're talking about. [Crow] No, Ruby. I am your father! [Ruby] ...seriously? Why would you guys do that. [Crow] FOR THE LULZ.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.If the situation was different, I could buy it being because he had a target on his head. But the implication seems to be that Summer was also involved in the sort of things Qrow is involved in so that doesn't really work.
I've mentioned a lot of issues I have with this, but the main thing is that none of the characters have even hinted at this being possible. No comments about Qrow and Ruby looking alike, no sad looks from Qrow when calling Ruby his niece or something, no comments on Qrow having a thing for Summer, nothing.
Admittedly, I wouldn't be surprised if Qrow having a thing for Summer was a thing. Still, Monty Oum apparently indirectly jossed this theory before people even started talking about it. That says something.
edited 19th Jan '17 11:53:04 AM by LSBK
why hide it? maybe because Qrow cant be a good father with the bad luck? maybe after whatever happen to Summer? I mean is not hear the whole "lie oto your on good", Ozpin made art to it a this damn point.
And is hard to said the whole "not hinted" when the maiden come pretty much out of nowhere, also Monty said Dust wasnt magic...until later it show that magic is what maiden used, so who know.
Granted I not that invest in this theory, but for me is weird the way Qrow treat Ruby, is very diferent from the rest.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"He outright states that it's a problem hanging around people and that while it's a boon on the battlefield, it makes life off the battlefield hard. It's therefore easy to apply the logic to a home life because that's essentially what Qrow himself tells us. His Semblance doesn't joss anything, it actually makes his mentoring of her an even more fascinating nugget of information.
I'll reiterate something I said in a previous post on this front:
Ruby tells Ozpin that she was nothing until Qrow trained her. We know from Word of God that Tai trained Yang, so putting together the two pieces of information, we've got a situation where Tai had no problem training Yang but did not, for some reason, train Ruby, who remained untrained until Qrow took her on.
We don't know the timeline of the above, but there's a hint that Tai had a very different attitude towards each of his daughters when it comes to learning combat skills.
There's something else Word of God has told us. That hint of tension between Tai and Qrow in Volume 3's finale is deliberate. There is some history of bad blood between Tai and Qrow. We don't know what it is yet.
Pure speculation, of course, but I think Tai - like Qrow - knows the silver-eye legend. He knows that contributed (or caused) Summer's death. He did not train Ruby because he didn't want her following Summer's path, which he feared her silver eyes inevitably would lead her to do — and, worse, if she was told the truth about her eyes, she'd want to.
However, Ozpin and Qrow wanted Ruby trained. Qrow and Tai had that disagreement and in the end Qrow won. Qrow trained Ruby rather than Tai precisely because of his Semblance.
Think about it: it's one thing for a good warrior to train a talented kid to be an exceptional warrior. But Qrow cannot do that. His Semblance doesn't permit. His Semblance automatically makes life much harder for anyone who is around him solely by virtue of them being around him. So imagine how hard it must be for a trainee to become good when Qrow - with that Semblance - is their mentor.
Ruby didn't simply train with a good warrior. She trained with the one good warrior who would passively sabotage her training every single time she showed up to a lesson. That would either scupper her ability to train completely, or make her that much better than she would be had that Semblance not been a factor.
So, my theory. Tai didn't want Ruby to train but was eventually coerced into agreeing that it was for Ruby's own good, and that Qrow was designated her mentor precisely because of his Semblance.
Yes, but my point is that fans have to guess his motives are something they can agree with in order to paint as a Well-Intentioned Extremist. And when they discover their assumption was wrong, call foul. That's their error, not the show's.
What you said here as not refuted my point (but you are making my point for me). I said the scene shows no hierarchical relationship between Cinder and Adam. Of course it shows an alliance exists between them, but it doesn't show us who the superior and subordinate is, and it doesn't show us how they came to be in alliance in the first place. That's where speculation kicks in. For the record, it's also speculation to claim it's Cinder's plan (which is how a lot of fans interpreted the scene).
At this point we already knew from the Volume 1 finale that Ozpin and Qrow were dealing with someone called 'the Queen' and that the 'Queen has pawns'. It was an assumption for fans to decide the Queen was Cinder — an assumption I never supported, because I believed from the pilot episode itself that the villain was the Female Narrator, and the Female Narrator was clearly not Cinder (different voice actresses, for a start; for seconds, Ozpin didn't seem to know who Cinder was whereas he clearly knew who the Female Narrator was; my assumption was that Cinder was one of the pawns — the pawn being moved to the end of the board to transform into a different kind of piece; I didn't quite appreciate how apt the 'transformation' comparison would end up being, but I at least got The Heavy part right — it was still speculation on my part, however).
So, just as fans might guess that Adam's faunus are carrying out a plan that isn't Adam's (but, note, that's still fan interpretation at this point), it's also a fan guess to assume the plan is Cinder's, rather than guessing that both Adam and Cinder are carrying out someone else's plan — in this case, 'the Queen'.
You say it's not true but you've just made my point for me — you're speculating about Adam's motives and decision-making in that scene. That's my point — the scene doesn't tell us what his motives and decision-making process is. We have to guess. And we've all had fun doing so.
You're making assumptions about what to connect Adam's 'everything for you' comment to. At that point, his words are not those of someone who is working with Cinder or Salem, or someone who is in the middle of wrecking a school. He is a abusive person leveraging emotional power over a person who escaped his power. As plenty of fans who have at least a little experience with abuse have pointed out, Adam's words, the things he says to Blake, are deeply uncomfortable because they are what an abuser would say to their victim. It's the emotional power of claiming that they have only the victim's best interests in mind; what it means is that Adam is trying to make Blake take the blame for his actions - that she cannot be angry or opposed to him because it's her fault, it's her behaviour she has to correct, not his.
That line you're picking out should not be seen as a commentary on what he's doing with Cinder; it should be seen as a commentary on how he views his relationship with Blake.
In the flashback to the lieutenant reporting that he cannot locate Blake, Adam does not dismiss the situation or brush it aside. He's angry and he's behaving like a man who doesn't want to stop but has a pressing reason to be somewhere else for some kind of reason that he simply cannot drop or be late for. He was rushed, angry and impatient and his words made it clear he was on a clock.
This is how I interpret the scene anyway.
edited 19th Jan '17 4:13:03 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.A long, awkward conversation with a young/preteen girl that starts with "if you stick with your old man, either his line of work will kill you, or his innate passive ability will," and ending with, "Oh, and he's an alcoholic."
edited 19th Jan '17 5:50:09 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!I can think of one reason why the lie might happen.
Let's say Qrow is the father. He gives up custodial responsibility to Tai because he fears what his Semblance might do to a kid he's raising. He and Tai decide to lie to both Ruby and Yang about Ruby's parentage for two reasons. The first is that the cool uncle has a reason to come and go as he pleases (because he's not the father) and the second is that if the kids knew that the man raising them was not Ruby's father but that the man blowing in with the wind every so often and leaving just as quickly was, then both the family unit (Tai, Yang and Ruby) would be fraught with tension and Ruby might be too curious about Qrow and go out of her way to hang around him more than she would if he was just the cool uncle (thereby negating the reason for giving him giving her up in the first place).
Bear in mind that I don't subscribe to the theory that Qrow is secretly Ruby's father, but if he was her father, I can see reasons for him lying about it.
edited 19th Jan '17 4:28:06 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.I don't really get why you all are equating "misfortune" with "deadly mishap that could kill you at any moment". Admittedly we don't know the full scope of his Semblance yet, but from what we've seen from his fight with Tyrian (and maybe other things) it's generally more subtle than that.
It's one thing where in a heated battle one slip up could constantly mean death, that's rough, but things like that are much, much less likely to be deadly in every day situations. That explains why he wanted to keep his distance from RNJR when they're on a dangerous cross continental mission but is pretty casual just hanging around.
But even assuming you think his Semblance is a valid excuse to stay away, they could just explain this to Ruby (and Yang). She might not listen but would still tell her why he's away and greatly decrease any chance of her doing something stupid. Frankly, I think it's weird that Ruby didn't know about his Semblance before this.
And as for "Qrow's work could put her in danger", it apparently didn't stop Summer, who apparently went on missions regularly, and was almost certainly involved in the conspiracy because of her Silver Eyes. And Ruby thinks that Taiyang misses going on missions with Summer, imply that he at least occasionally went with her when the girls were around, so he didn't stay out of danger either.
edited 19th Jan '17 5:06:56 PM by LSBK

He would certainly try to spend more time with her.
Besides, Ruby looks the most like her mother. And it is not surprising she looks up to Qrow more: her father is distant after losing the mothers of his children. Raven because she's Raven, and Summer because.....she is dead right?
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