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Vampireandthen In love with an Uptown Girl from Northern Ireland Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: A teenager in love
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#44326: Jan 19th 2017 at 10:32:46 AM

He would certainly try to spend more time with her.

Besides, Ruby looks the most like her mother. And it is not surprising she looks up to Qrow more: her father is distant after losing the mothers of his children. Raven because she's Raven, and Summer because.....she is dead right?

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#44327: Jan 19th 2017 at 10:46:46 AM

[up][up]that she wants a constant for long so is hard to said, also Summer can stay for more time because she dosent bring bad luck around, so Qrow presence is not a constant, not more that any familiar that come for a few days.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#44328: Jan 19th 2017 at 11:10:35 AM

Since the question seems to have been passed over from when I asked earlier: if Crow is really Ruby's father, then why would anyone lie about it?

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Vampireandthen In love with an Uptown Girl from Northern Ireland Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: A teenager in love
In love with an Uptown Girl
#44329: Jan 19th 2017 at 11:32:14 AM

[up]That.....is a very good question.....

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#44330: Jan 19th 2017 at 11:35:47 AM

[up]x2 For Shocking Swerve reasons. A twist for the sake of it.

Also, I'd like to say that debating Ruby's parentage is much more interesting and a huge improvement over other recent discussions we've had.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44331: Jan 19th 2017 at 11:38:16 AM

Maybe to some people, but there's nothing to go on.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#44332: Jan 19th 2017 at 11:43:35 AM

For Shocking Swerve reasons. A twist for the sake of it.
I meant from a Watsonian perspective.

Unless so did you and it just turns out that Taiyang and Crow are both enormous trolls.

[Crow] Taiyang never told you about your father... [Ruby] Taiyang is my father, so I have no idea what you're talking about. [Crow] No, Ruby. I am your father! [Ruby] ...seriously? Why would you guys do that. [Crow] FOR THE LULZ.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44333: Jan 19th 2017 at 11:50:32 AM

If the situation was different, I could buy it being because he had a target on his head. But the implication seems to be that Summer was also involved in the sort of things Qrow is involved in so that doesn't really work.

I've mentioned a lot of issues I have with this, but the main thing is that none of the characters have even hinted at this being possible. No comments about Qrow and Ruby looking alike, no sad looks from Qrow when calling Ruby his niece or something, no comments on Qrow having a thing for Summer, nothing.

Admittedly, I wouldn't be surprised if Qrow having a thing for Summer was a thing. Still, Monty Oum apparently indirectly jossed this theory before people even started talking about it. That says something.

edited 19th Jan '17 11:53:04 AM by LSBK

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#44334: Jan 19th 2017 at 12:48:04 PM

why hide it? maybe because Qrow cant be a good father with the bad luck? maybe after whatever happen to Summer? I mean is not hear the whole "lie oto your on good", Ozpin made art to it a this damn point.

And is hard to said the whole "not hinted" when the maiden come pretty much out of nowhere, also Monty said Dust wasnt magic...until later it show that magic is what maiden used, so who know.

Granted I not that invest in this theory, but for me is weird the way Qrow treat Ruby, is very diferent from the rest.

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#44335: Jan 19th 2017 at 12:52:34 PM

[up]Monty said Dust wasn't magic BECAUSE he was likely already planning for real magic (Maidens) to show up.

edited 19th Jan '17 12:52:39 PM by BlackSunNocturne

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#44336: Jan 19th 2017 at 12:58:27 PM

why hide it? maybe because Qrow cant be a good father with the bad luck?
That's a legit reason not to be a custodial parent, but not to lie about who her father is. The Xiao Long family is far from traditional already — having Ruby live with Taiyang as her stepfather and Yang as her stepsister wouldn't be all that different from having Ruby live with Taiyang as her father and Yang as her half-sister by another mother.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#44337: Jan 19th 2017 at 1:14:33 PM

Again, because Qrow is not act to be father and is better to ruby to just dont know, is not the first time some lie to other for their best.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Vampireandthen In love with an Uptown Girl from Northern Ireland Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: A teenager in love
In love with an Uptown Girl
#44338: Jan 19th 2017 at 1:19:30 PM

So, I just saw an image of Penny flying away to Robot Heaven in the manga.

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#44339: Jan 19th 2017 at 1:42:45 PM

Does it related to what happened in Volume 3 or was the context different?

Vampireandthen In love with an Uptown Girl from Northern Ireland Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: A teenager in love
In love with an Uptown Girl
#44340: Jan 19th 2017 at 1:46:36 PM

Look it up. My interpretation is she is going to Robot Heaven.

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#44341: Jan 19th 2017 at 2:03:55 PM

You might have to help me out here, because the most I can find is a flight-enabled Penny.

Vampireandthen In love with an Uptown Girl from Northern Ireland Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: A teenager in love
In love with an Uptown Girl
#44342: Jan 19th 2017 at 2:09:01 PM

Exactly.

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#44343: Jan 19th 2017 at 2:27:58 PM

You're not being very helpful here.

From a quick Web search this would be before volume 2's finale as Roman is a free man, so no robot heaven. Just flight mode Penny.

edited 19th Jan '17 3:26:02 PM by Shaoken

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#44344: Jan 19th 2017 at 3:26:34 PM

is better to ruby to just dont know
This is the exact idea I'm disagreeing with. In what way is it better for Ruby to think Taiyang is her father if it's actually Crow? I mean, I guess theoretically she'd feel less bad about his not being around? Compared to the strong possibility of her finding out that she was lied to her whole life and being understandably pissed at everyone involved, that seems like a dumb reason.

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#44345: Jan 19th 2017 at 3:31:04 PM

Qrow has shown to problem just casually being around people, so his Semblance doesn't work to explain him not raising her if he was her father. He was keeping his distance from JNPR here because he didn't want to risk inadvertently making dangerous situations worse but you can't apply that say logic to a home life. We know for a fact that Qrow was a significant presence when she was growing up so that already josses that justification.

He outright states that it's a problem hanging around people and that while it's a boon on the battlefield, it makes life off the battlefield hard. It's therefore easy to apply the logic to a home life because that's essentially what Qrow himself tells us. His Semblance doesn't joss anything, it actually makes his mentoring of her an even more fascinating nugget of information.

I'll reiterate something I said in a previous post on this front:

Ruby tells Ozpin that she was nothing until Qrow trained her. We know from Word of God that Tai trained Yang, so putting together the two pieces of information, we've got a situation where Tai had no problem training Yang but did not, for some reason, train Ruby, who remained untrained until Qrow took her on.

We don't know the timeline of the above, but there's a hint that Tai had a very different attitude towards each of his daughters when it comes to learning combat skills.

There's something else Word of God has told us. That hint of tension between Tai and Qrow in Volume 3's finale is deliberate. There is some history of bad blood between Tai and Qrow. We don't know what it is yet.

Pure speculation, of course, but I think Tai - like Qrow - knows the silver-eye legend. He knows that contributed (or caused) Summer's death. He did not train Ruby because he didn't want her following Summer's path, which he feared her silver eyes inevitably would lead her to do — and, worse, if she was told the truth about her eyes, she'd want to.

However, Ozpin and Qrow wanted Ruby trained. Qrow and Tai had that disagreement and in the end Qrow won. Qrow trained Ruby rather than Tai precisely because of his Semblance.

Think about it: it's one thing for a good warrior to train a talented kid to be an exceptional warrior. But Qrow cannot do that. His Semblance doesn't permit. His Semblance automatically makes life much harder for anyone who is around him solely by virtue of them being around him. So imagine how hard it must be for a trainee to become good when Qrow - with that Semblance - is their mentor.

Ruby didn't simply train with a good warrior. She trained with the one good warrior who would passively sabotage her training every single time she showed up to a lesson. That would either scupper her ability to train completely, or make her that much better than she would be had that Semblance not been a factor.

So, my theory. Tai didn't want Ruby to train but was eventually coerced into agreeing that it was for Ruby's own good, and that Qrow was designated her mentor precisely because of his Semblance.

the extremist part actually, from most part a WIE dosent even need to be good or grey, just someone who have view you can agree but method you opose which it fit.

Yes, but my point is that fans have to guess his motives are something they can agree with in order to paint as a Well-Intentioned Extremist. And when they discover their assumption was wrong, call foul. That's their error, not the show's.

actually it implies the two have aliance since we didnt know anything about Adam until that very moment, I didnt said anything about one being superior but clearly the White fang is following somebody else plan, them in volume 3 show he was bullied into the whole thing which it scribe

What you said here as not refuted my point (but you are making my point for me). I said the scene shows no hierarchical relationship between Cinder and Adam. Of course it shows an alliance exists between them, but it doesn't show us who the superior and subordinate is, and it doesn't show us how they came to be in alliance in the first place. That's where speculation kicks in. For the record, it's also speculation to claim it's Cinder's plan (which is how a lot of fans interpreted the scene).

At this point we already knew from the Volume 1 finale that Ozpin and Qrow were dealing with someone called 'the Queen' and that the 'Queen has pawns'. It was an assumption for fans to decide the Queen was Cinder — an assumption I never supported, because I believed from the pilot episode itself that the villain was the Female Narrator, and the Female Narrator was clearly not Cinder (different voice actresses, for a start; for seconds, Ozpin didn't seem to know who Cinder was whereas he clearly knew who the Female Narrator was; my assumption was that Cinder was one of the pawns — the pawn being moved to the end of the board to transform into a different kind of piece; I didn't quite appreciate how apt the 'transformation' comparison would end up being, but I at least got The Heavy part right — it was still speculation on my part, however).

So, just as fans might guess that Adam's faunus are carrying out a plan that isn't Adam's (but, note, that's still fan interpretation at this point), it's also a fan guess to assume the plan is Cinder's, rather than guessing that both Adam and Cinder are carrying out someone else's plan — in this case, 'the Queen'.

Again no true, the scene show that at the very least he have ether some sort of code or that he dosent see reason to enter himself into human buissness and was forced into this, but it clash with him resuring Cinder that White fang is going on with her plan, clearly something is missing there.

You say it's not true but you've just made my point for me — you're speculating about Adam's motives and decision-making in that scene. That's my point — the scene doesn't tell us what his motives and decision-making process is. We have to guess. And we've all had fun doing so.

in both cases he deal in the ambit of the white fang: Cinder made a deal and them she enforce into him, in the second he said "everything I did was for you blake" which was quite out of nowhere, hell in one moment he just brush Blake living him and the other he pretty much make is on Bane speech to her in festival atack, is clear they didnt wrap the whole thing nicely.

You're making assumptions about what to connect Adam's 'everything for you' comment to. At that point, his words are not those of someone who is working with Cinder or Salem, or someone who is in the middle of wrecking a school. He is a abusive person leveraging emotional power over a person who escaped his power. As plenty of fans who have at least a little experience with abuse have pointed out, Adam's words, the things he says to Blake, are deeply uncomfortable because they are what an abuser would say to their victim. It's the emotional power of claiming that they have only the victim's best interests in mind; what it means is that Adam is trying to make Blake take the blame for his actions - that she cannot be angry or opposed to him because it's her fault, it's her behaviour she has to correct, not his.

That line you're picking out should not be seen as a commentary on what he's doing with Cinder; it should be seen as a commentary on how he views his relationship with Blake.

In the flashback to the lieutenant reporting that he cannot locate Blake, Adam does not dismiss the situation or brush it aside. He's angry and he's behaving like a man who doesn't want to stop but has a pressing reason to be somewhere else for some kind of reason that he simply cannot drop or be late for. He was rushed, angry and impatient and his words made it clear he was on a clock.

This is how I interpret the scene anyway.

edited 19th Jan '17 4:13:03 PM by Wyldchyld

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#44346: Jan 19th 2017 at 4:16:01 PM

if Crow is really Ruby's father, then why would anyone lie about it?

A long, awkward conversation with a young/preteen girl that starts with "if you stick with your old man, either his line of work will kill you, or his innate passive ability will," and ending with, "Oh, and he's an alcoholic."

edited 19th Jan '17 5:50:09 PM by Soble

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#44347: Jan 19th 2017 at 4:23:08 PM

I just hope we someday get an episode with a flashback to Team STRQ's younger years.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#44348: Jan 19th 2017 at 4:26:11 PM

I can think of one reason why the lie might happen.

Let's say Qrow is the father. He gives up custodial responsibility to Tai because he fears what his Semblance might do to a kid he's raising. He and Tai decide to lie to both Ruby and Yang about Ruby's parentage for two reasons. The first is that the cool uncle has a reason to come and go as he pleases (because he's not the father) and the second is that if the kids knew that the man raising them was not Ruby's father but that the man blowing in with the wind every so often and leaving just as quickly was, then both the family unit (Tai, Yang and Ruby) would be fraught with tension and Ruby might be too curious about Qrow and go out of her way to hang around him more than she would if he was just the cool uncle (thereby negating the reason for giving him giving her up in the first place).

Bear in mind that I don't subscribe to the theory that Qrow is secretly Ruby's father, but if he was her father, I can see reasons for him lying about it.

edited 19th Jan '17 4:28:06 PM by Wyldchyld

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44349: Jan 19th 2017 at 5:04:46 PM

I don't really get why you all are equating "misfortune" with "deadly mishap that could kill you at any moment". Admittedly we don't know the full scope of his Semblance yet, but from what we've seen from his fight with Tyrian (and maybe other things) it's generally more subtle than that.

It's one thing where in a heated battle one slip up could constantly mean death, that's rough, but things like that are much, much less likely to be deadly in every day situations. That explains why he wanted to keep his distance from RNJR when they're on a dangerous cross continental mission but is pretty casual just hanging around.

But even assuming you think his Semblance is a valid excuse to stay away, they could just explain this to Ruby (and Yang). She might not listen but would still tell her why he's away and greatly decrease any chance of her doing something stupid. Frankly, I think it's weird that Ruby didn't know about his Semblance before this.

And as for "Qrow's work could put her in danger", it apparently didn't stop Summer, who apparently went on missions regularly, and was almost certainly involved in the conspiracy because of her Silver Eyes. And Ruby thinks that Taiyang misses going on missions with Summer, imply that he at least occasionally went with her when the girls were around, so he didn't stay out of danger either.

edited 19th Jan '17 5:06:56 PM by LSBK

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#44350: Jan 19th 2017 at 5:12:45 PM

Didn't a steel girder or something nearly fall on Ruby though?

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