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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#44227: Jan 15th 2017 at 3:32:22 PM

Ruby is not a sue but clearly she dosent have much more than being the protagonist, she is special for some plot divice she dosent know it and sher personality is pretty much "goodler", she is not a sue...but she isnt much ether, is just...there.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#44228: Jan 15th 2017 at 3:43:01 PM

The amount of repressing Ruby appears to do probably says a lot about her. I think they're building up to a moment where her optimism shatters like lightbulb and she either breaks down, or loses her cool and flies into a rage.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#44229: Jan 15th 2017 at 3:45:56 PM

I don't necessarily mind the fact that Ruby's gotten less development than other characters — she also had fewer problems to overcome in the first place. The problem with Ruby is that she's been almost entirely passive. Not in the Villains Act, Heroes React sense (which is also true), but in the sense that she's basically never acting on her own initiative, she's always doing what someone else tells her. She ends up at Beacon early not because she trained super hard to graduate Signal early, but because Ozpin offered her a place after her fight with Roman. She ends up as team leader not by proving herself, but because Ozpin assigns her the position. She has Team RWBY investigate the White Fang at Blake's insistence. For the entirety of season three, she's basically along for the ride. And in season four, she leaves RWBY behind and forms RNJR because Crow tells her to go to Haven.

Ruby would make a fine supporting character. But as a protagonist, she falls flat. There's nothing that makes the story about her except silver-eyed powers that are a complete plot device and we haven't even seen except for one brief Deus ex Machina.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#44230: Jan 15th 2017 at 3:46:34 PM

To be fair, wasn't the board falling more due to the bad luck aura Qrow emits that affects everyone around him?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44231: Jan 15th 2017 at 3:48:56 PM

I think Ozpin made her Team Leader because if what he saw in her, like Jaune. It wasn't intentionally for that purpose but it was still necause of her own actions.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#44232: Jan 15th 2017 at 3:51:07 PM

And in season four, she leaves RWBY behind and forms RNJR because Crow tells her to go to Haven.

...wait, he did?

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44233: Jan 15th 2017 at 3:51:49 PM

@Jovian: Becoming less of a Pinball Protagonist (and becoming conscious of her status as a human pinball) in the same way Jaune became determined to cast off his Butt-Monkey status is another very obvious route for character progression.

edited 15th Jan '17 3:52:34 PM by CaptainCapsase

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44234: Jan 15th 2017 at 3:52:21 PM

Cool, but until it happens...

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44235: Jan 15th 2017 at 3:54:31 PM

Qrow didn't tell Ruby to go to Haven, but he knew that's how she would react with how everything had been going on.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44236: Jan 15th 2017 at 3:57:21 PM

@Soble: I don't expect Ruby to experience a Break the Cutie moment in the same way Jaune has (he's pretty much become a Knight in Sour Armor after Pyrrha's death), because idealism and optimism seems to be a core part of her character; having her world view shaken and becoming more worldly with time though, that's a completely plausible path.

Edit: oh hey, regarding the world of remnant, apparently the King of Vale put "his most trusted companions" in charge of the academies. Which means Ozpin's past incarnation wasn't the King himself, but perhaps Merlin to the King's Arthur Pendragon.

I feel like Jaune's ancestor definitely was the King, and Croceas Mors was his sword. Perhaps it has some insane hidden power. Possibly on par with silver eyes, and probably having originated from the wizard/Ozpin's past incarnation.

edited 15th Jan '17 4:17:55 PM by CaptainCapsase

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#44237: Jan 15th 2017 at 4:22:36 PM

Holy crap, I hadn't run across Pinball Protagonist before. That's Ruby in a nutshell, yes.

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DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#44238: Jan 15th 2017 at 4:34:52 PM

On the theory the the sword in the WOR is the Crocea Mors,someone made it graph pointing out the differences.

68.media.tumblr.com/f1136728b308acb08451c808e55c9f2d/tumblr_ojt95qxV191s9ox65o1_1280.png

Edit:Your going to have to add the https:// part yourselves :P

edited 15th Jan '17 4:40:48 PM by DeanCole

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#44239: Jan 15th 2017 at 4:39:27 PM

the best way to move ruby is the cast around it, The russo brother did that with Cap(a fairly boring chararter on is own) so they used the seconday cast(Natasha, Falcon,Fury,etc) to bring diferent part of himself and bring is personality to full.

So far Ruby dosent have that, she is just the hero and that it.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#44240: Jan 15th 2017 at 5:18:52 PM

So, counterparts and foils to emphasize/contrast some of Ruby's traits then?

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#44241: Jan 15th 2017 at 5:29:06 PM

[up]Pretty much yes, Blake have one in Adam(one is pacifist and the other is not) and Sun(he is outgoing and somewhat of a fool while she is shy and bookish), Weiss have in Winter and is family and Yang on Raven or her father.

Rubu have...what? a times it look Qrow is a cinical version of Ruby but apart of it that it, hell Ambar was right saying Roman look like Ruby rival and the closet thing to a main oponent.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#44242: Jan 15th 2017 at 6:34:07 PM

[up] To some extent Jaune becoming increasingly jaded and cynical is a decent contrast, though they need to develop that dynamic for it to be a plus to the characters.

edited 15th Jan '17 6:34:27 PM by CaptainCapsase

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#44243: Jan 15th 2017 at 7:02:59 PM

So, the Mitral emperor create problem?

So warhammer 40.000 was right after after all: the emperor only create problem, try chaos, is the only true answertongue

  • laught in heresy*

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#44244: Jan 16th 2017 at 9:09:05 AM

If Sun dies, we riot. Please?

Also, show of hands: Which of you cheered when Sun was hit by the whip? C'mon, don't be shy, you Bumblebees......

More serious, I really want to see Sun and Adam fight each other.

Or for Blake's dad to kick that red haired bastards ass.

Or both at the same time.

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#44245: Jan 16th 2017 at 9:30:50 AM

I don't think this place is quite tumblr enough to have cheered for Sun's misfortune unless your name is Ambar.

Plus, Sun v. Adam, especially with the former having just been injured would be a slaughter. We might see Ghira do some stuff though (perhaps Kali joins in?)

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#44246: Jan 16th 2017 at 9:34:43 AM

Consider the amount of discussion about Sun here, it was a really poor choice of wordsevil grin

And...I want to see Ghira vs Adam, if only to see Blake father fall down against the power of edginessevil grin

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#44247: Jan 16th 2017 at 10:36:58 AM

Nah, I think Ghira would stomp Adam until Adam plays dirty and threatens the village or something.

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#44248: Jan 16th 2017 at 11:19:12 AM

I want to see Ghira and Sun double teaming Adam, and knocking his sorry ass around.

Though, in the end, it might be Blake and Sun. It is Blake's fight, and if she doesn't run away and finally stops being afraid of Adam, well, it will be great to see.

Hold on....Ghira, Sun and Blake fighting Adam. And beating him.

I want that to happen! So bad!

I just really hate Adam.

edited 16th Jan '17 11:19:58 AM by Vampireandthen

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#44249: Jan 16th 2017 at 12:37:57 PM

Unfortunately it doesn't look like Blake is ready to fight Adam yet. He's an entirely different league.

Vampireandthen In love with an Uptown Girl from Northern Ireland Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: A teenager in love
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#44250: Jan 16th 2017 at 12:45:42 PM

That is why I suggested Ghira, Sun and Blake. Three on one.

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