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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#43951: Jan 8th 2017 at 11:05:29 PM

It seems like everybody already agreed the way monkey-boy was following Black was wrong...

That's the only reason this was ever a thing, nothing can be done about it...defense of the character and/or scene is pointless and only tends to re-ignite a circling discussion.

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#43952: Jan 8th 2017 at 11:14:06 PM

Mercury should start stalking Weiss just so there can be something new to argue about. tongue

Edit: Meant to say Neptune, but somehow Mercury is even better. [lol]

edited 8th Jan '17 11:15:25 PM by Eagal

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#43953: Jan 8th 2017 at 11:22:51 PM

Fine. If you're determined to do this, let's do this.

You know, in every conversation I've ever been in where the subject of inappropriate behaviour on the part of a man (or a male character) has been raised, somebody has tried to play this card. "You wouldn't care if it was a girl" they suggest, as if it were some kind of killing point. It's not. It's a deflection and a dodge, an appeal to hypothetical hypocrisy in place of addressing or accepting the actual issue under discussion.

What it is is pointing out sexual discrimination. It's either okay for both men and women to do it, or its okay for neither to do it. If someone complains that someone does something but would be okay with someone of the opposite sex doing the same thing, it means that the issue isn't what the person did. The issue is actually that the complainer is a sexist. They're pointing out that the complainer is doing the equivalent of saying, "Oh no! How horrible! These women want to vote!" That said, I'm going further than that. I would complain if a girl did not do what Sun did. I she did not do what Sun did, she would have committed an evil act.

No. That's not what friends do. If one of my friends stalked me for six months, I'd call the police. End the relationship too. You do not get to make yourself a part of someone's life without their permission.
Friends absolutely do do that. Someone who refuses to do that has no right to be called "friend". "Enemy", yes, but not "friend". Someone who fails to do that isn't merely not a friend, they're morally deficient. Doing that is morally obligatory and anyone who refuses to do that is a lazy, selfish coward. You do not have the right to allow others to endanger themselves that way and them telling you to leave does not give you that right.

It annoys me to no end that some people will go out of their way to justify or excuse stalking and other socially inappropriate behaviours, while telling those of us offended by it "get over it" and similar nonsense. Your point?
It infuriates me that people will go out of their way to condone abandonment, neglect and negligent homicide (which are very socially inappropriate behaviours), like sociopaths, while deciding that avoiding those flaws makes you a creepy stalker.

As for holding Episode 3 over his head, I can't speak for anyone else here, but I'm not holding it over his head. I'm just not going to pretend it didn't happen. When someone, be it a real person, or a character in a story, does what Sun did, it proceeds to colour everything that follows (and everything that came before). Case in point—one of the running jokes with Sun is "Sun winds up in a place he isn't supposed to be." That was funny, right up until they had him follow a girl for six months without his permission. Now those jokes are tainted by what he did. For them to go back to being funny, they would need to deal with the elephant in the room. Once they actually do that (in a competent manner) it will stop being an issue. I'll finish by noting a rather ugly trend I'm seeing here, in which people are insisting that, in order to prevent arguments, those of us who dislike Sun have to never ever express that dislike. Which is a crock. As I've said before, I don't like the "Blake is lame" jokes, but I don't demand that you all stop making them. I just ignore them when someone else brings them up. And yet for some reason, nobody here seems capable of granting me, or Tobias, or Jovian, or any of the others who dislike Sun the same courtesy.
And I've noticed the ugly trend of people condoning sociopathy and seeing attempts to call people out on that get thumped while those promoting the sociopathy continue to do so at every point.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#43954: Jan 8th 2017 at 11:23:16 PM

Holy fucking shit, can we go even a single page without this fucking conversation coming up? We've been having this exact same conversation with absolutely no change in any part of it for nine weeks. Can we please, for the love of all that is good in the universe, drop it and talk about literally anything else?

edited 8th Jan '17 11:26:12 PM by Zelenal

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#43955: Jan 8th 2017 at 11:26:20 PM

Well, Ambar's complaining that we don't let them talk about it enough. Ive stopped complaining about it, but if Ambar really wants to talk about it fine.

(Incidentally, AJ ninja'd me with well-presented points I agree with[nja])

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43956: Jan 8th 2017 at 11:29:13 PM

People used to joke that being a redhead meant you were doomed here but evidently being a blond is also suffering in the RWBY universe.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#43957: Jan 8th 2017 at 11:29:34 PM

Cut it the fuck out right now or maybe we should have this thread shut until this matter gets sorted out.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#43958: Jan 8th 2017 at 11:32:43 PM

I'm tired of having this talk over and over again.

Anyways, some part of me wants to hear Yang yell "BIONIC ARM!"

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
tryrar Since: Sep, 2010
#43959: Jan 8th 2017 at 11:33:07 PM

[up][up].....ok, that was rather uncalled for

edited 8th Jan '17 11:33:21 PM by tryrar

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#43960: Jan 8th 2017 at 11:33:41 PM

Is it? Is it REALLY?

...Yeah ok it kinda was, sorry about that.

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#43961: Jan 9th 2017 at 2:20:38 AM

Just a reminder to people; if you think somebody here is crossing lines they shouldn't you should hit the button to holler the mods and leave it be.

I think the reason this talk keeps coming up over and over again is because it's never gotten any kind of proper conclusion. The first one got heated because somebody (if you know the troper please don't mention it, we don't need another repeat) called Sun a sex offender over episode 3, and since then things have always gotten heated very quickly. There's never been any kind of agreement over anything, but because it got so bad to start with (the only time I saw mods start thumping people in my time in this thread on top of the mod voice warnings) nobody wants to really get into the discussion because it seems destined to always devolve into people getting into each other. Like I've never actually contributed to the discussion despite having opinions and thoughts I wanted to share because I just see all the toxicity that comes with that conversation and don't want to contribute to the thread getting toxic anymore.

So the only way I think we can stop seeing this topic come up over and over again on a weekly or bi-weekly basis is if everybody agrees to make the topic off-limits and avoid rising to any bait to restart it, or if we all have the discussion now and not make it personal. Otherwise I just think we're going to be the same place next week or the week after.

AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#43962: Jan 9th 2017 at 5:10:41 AM

Nobody's lost their mind yet and started tossing insults around, so there's no need for mods or anything like that yet.

I've seen when topics go bad, and this isn't it.

Alfric Sailing the Skies! from Crescent Isle Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#43963: Jan 9th 2017 at 5:16:53 AM

I agree with Shaoken here; this isn't some discussion that can't be had, but it requires that people stop taking it personally and sniping back and forth with insults. I have consistently caught up with the thread and missed every one of these debates as they were ongoing only for things to break down and people to devolve into insults on both sides. While I get not wanting to see it continue when it's so heated, people demanding we drop the conversation are unfortunately not helping since all it does is at best pause the conversation for a week, and at worst make one or both sides angry because it seems like they're being silenced.

So before things get too heated, just to address some stuff I saw. I get that this topic has had hostility on both sides, and no one side is blameless for it at this point, but whichever side you support, please don't append accusations or insults to your posts; all it does it weaken what might be otherwise good points that could generate healthy discussion and turn the whole conversation back into the shitshow it's been. I feel like I shouldn't have to say this, but I've seen all sorts of accusations and insults from both sides thrown around when there was absolutely no reason for them, entirely because someone decided to take a criticism or defense of a character in a fictional show too personally. Don't let your investment in something prevent you from properly discussing it. This conversation has been doing better in the more recent pages, and hasn't devolved anywhere near as much as it did the first time, so if we can keep things at least mostly like it has been, hopefully this post will have been essentially pointless, and we can keep things going like usual.

edited 9th Jan '17 5:19:49 AM by Alfric

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#43964: Jan 9th 2017 at 5:53:26 AM

I'll admit that there have not been any insults. I don't think Sun is being bad, just having poor timing.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#43965: Jan 9th 2017 at 5:54:40 AM

To take this in a more positive direction, what Semblance is you guys' favorite?

Mine is Pyrra's polarity, with Weiss' glyphs as a second.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#43966: Jan 9th 2017 at 6:04:32 AM

Currently they're too poorly defined for me to decide. Weiss' was originally a favourite when she just seemed to be doing weird shit with motion, but the more abilities it gets the more put off I am by it.

Maybe Sun's, for the visual coolness and the limitations it has.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#43967: Jan 9th 2017 at 6:05:41 AM

Yang's.

Nothing beats a Super Mode for me.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
SaintDeltora The Mistress from The Land Of Corruption and Debauchery Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#43968: Jan 9th 2017 at 6:16:56 AM

Aj: Eh, I think it's more that Miles and Kerry just wanted to make him enter in a cool scene, it's not the first time they bended the rules of the medium in such a way that made a scene that looked cool but wouldn't make much sense in reality. (Ruby apparently waiting up until the middle of the airship travel to tell Yang she was coming with her for example, or how Blake and Weiss's argument trasitions from the street to their room.)

Semblance: Weiss and Pyrrha's are my favorite so far due to variety, versatility and slight brokennes.

Although, I do like Blake's as well, Ruby's is also simple and efficient.

I don't like Sun's as much as Blake strangely, maybe it's because Blake has a ninja motif going on?

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#43970: Jan 9th 2017 at 7:07:26 AM

I marathoned Red Vs Blue season 12 and 13 over the weekend and it was very confusing with Lindsey playing a srs angry character, Arryn being happy, and Miles being scary competent. Jen Brown’s stability was comforting in these trying times

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#43971: Jan 9th 2017 at 7:17:47 AM

It's weird from the other side - hearing Carolina be a shy teenage girl (Pyrrha), hearing Church be a doting dad. Weirder still is hearing Jaune as Felix.

I actually forgot Washington voices Ozpin.

The parallels are rather striking.

Jen Brown played the Broken Ace in both shows, but Pyrrha died and Carolina got better (in a sense). Pyrrha was a supporting character, Carolina was but became a more recurring one and effectively team leader (Pyrrha led JNPR into battle in Vol 2). We never learn anything about Pyrrha's parents, while Carolina's parentage is actually the crux of her character arc. Both characters display agility above the rest of the cast. Pyrrha used her power for locomotion (the elevator) and Carolina sports both a grappling hook gun and super speed.

Shannon Mc Cormick played Washington, the Only Sane Man in RVB at the time, but then he played Ozpin who Ruby quickly describes as not being "all there." Washington was also the most capable fighter in his show (at the time of his introduction), and Ozpin is the first and only person we've seen take a Maiden head-on without any help or trickery.

Samantha Ireland plays Nora - our Genki Girl Cloudcuckoolander, but she also played CT, who was a double agent with mysterious, and whose main ability focused on stealth and deception, as opposed to Nora's which was broadcast over a loudspeaker. We still don't know Nora's backstory in full, and we didn't learn about CT's until a few seasons later.

Kerry Shawcross played Palomo who, IIRC, was constantly getting verbal abuse from Tucker and also constantly seeking his approval. He also plays Neptune who, as we know, immediately has Weiss's approval, but does take some flak from Sun during the fight against Team NDGO.

[lol] Kathleen Zulch plays Tex and Goodwitch whose abilities in their respective shows make them out to have Story-Breaker Power - at least until Tex gets nerfed, and Goodwitch is shown struggling to use her telekinesis in Vol 3. They're both no-nonsense Action Girl's with short tempers. Goodwitch hasn't appeared in Volume 4, and Tex disappeared for a bit in either Season 3 or 4 of RVB. If Goodwitch turns out to have a Tomato in the Mirror subplot of some kind then this has to be a conspiracy

edited 9th Jan '17 12:00:07 PM by Soble

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#43972: Jan 9th 2017 at 7:19:21 AM

I think I'd go Polarity as well. It's not the most powerful, but it's one of he most fun to see in action while still being one of the more well-defined ones.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43973: Jan 9th 2017 at 8:45:46 AM

[up] Pyrrha's polarity was when she went all out with it definitely one of the more powerful semblances on the show, especially when fighting against other humans using metal weapons.

As far as my favorite, I'm gonna say Qrow, because causing bad things to happen to people around you as a passive ability is a genuinely clever justification for the rather played out I Work Alone shtick.

edited 9th Jan '17 8:48:25 AM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43974: Jan 9th 2017 at 8:59:19 AM

Via Sun is probably my favorite. Glyphs would be, if not for the fact that its abilities and scope are so poorly defined.

edited 9th Jan '17 9:02:52 AM by LSBK

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#43975: Jan 9th 2017 at 9:05:10 AM

It seems like everybody already agreed the way monkey-boy was following Black was wrong.

It's weird to see how heated things got when yeah, on some level everyone agrees with this.

As I've said before my main issue with Sun is how uninteresting I've found him this season. Being forced comic relief isn't interesting, especially when it only gets in the way of an actually interesting character arc. If Sun and Blake were given more drama over Sun''s decision to stick with Blake because he felt Blake running away from her friends wasn't going to help her, that would make his presence and interactions with Blake compelling and interesting to watch. At it stands, you have to tolerate his brand of forced comic relief in order to be okay with him this season. and its okay if you aren't.


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