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DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#43927: Jan 8th 2017 at 1:33:06 PM

Would be nice if they have team FNKY help Wesis out.Probably won't happen though

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#43928: Jan 8th 2017 at 1:34:26 PM

But I thought people like Sokka. As Sokka didn't ignore the perfectly nice, friendly, and supportive teenage girl right in front of him. I mean he kind of did, but that was due to active hostility between them.

In all seriousness he's totally Sokka, and the resemblance is scary now that I think about it. He's even destined to become a good swordsman. I hope his Semblance makes his sword and shield fighting style So Last Season.

[up] (2) Fair point.

edited 8th Jan '17 2:26:38 PM by Soble

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43929: Jan 8th 2017 at 1:38:19 PM

You know, instead of going with the "he somehow doesn't see she's interested" route I sort of wish they went with "he gets it, he just doesn't see her that way", which can be a thing.

You can think a person is pretty, and talented, and great, without seeing them that way.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43930: Jan 8th 2017 at 1:39:19 PM

[up][up] He also has a bit of Aang in him insofar as a certain subset of the fandom despises him for no apparent reason other than standing in the way of people's ships.

edited 8th Jan '17 1:39:30 PM by CaptainCapsase

DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#43931: Jan 8th 2017 at 1:40:35 PM

[up][up] I don't think that will fix the problem.Pyyrha is a attractive,supporting Amazon lady. People just aren't going to buy Jaune not being attracted to someone like that.Unless he's gay.

edited 8th Jan '17 1:46:41 PM by DeanCole

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leader of Inherit
#43932: Jan 8th 2017 at 2:07:24 PM

It would be rather difficult to believe with how he was early in the series.

"Shall I use you, or make you mine... I'm not so sure what I'll do." - Dorthy
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43933: Jan 8th 2017 at 2:11:33 PM

That, like many thing, comes down to writing problems and also problematic expectations people have.

And it wouldn't have to be from early in the series, most of his bravado from then was just a front anyway.

edited 8th Jan '17 2:12:28 PM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43934: Jan 8th 2017 at 2:13:04 PM

[up] It's also rather difficult to believe he'd actually notice that early in the series given his self-image.

On a random tangent, it just occurred to me that the color scheme of team RWBY matches that of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse (or at least one version). Probably just a coincidence but who knows.

edited 8th Jan '17 2:13:45 PM by CaptainCapsase

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#43935: Jan 8th 2017 at 2:14:46 PM

Soble: You just made me think of How It Should Have Ended.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43936: Jan 8th 2017 at 2:16:13 PM

[up][up]Mm. But he doesn't have to realize right away, just sooner than literally the moment after she kisses him.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#43937: Jan 8th 2017 at 2:34:57 PM

I do like the theory that Jaune simply saw her as more of an older sister than a potential suitor.

But yea, it's kind of the thing about shipping fandom in general though; if one part of a potential couple show interest in the other, then naturally people's expectations will lean to "NOTICE THEM ALREADY DAMMIT".

And they're considered "gay" or constantly bashed if they continuously show ignorance. It would be nice though if writers just had one side of the party just outright and say they're not interested in a relationship, but I guess that wouldn't go over too well.

I've seen a similar thing happen in Re Zero recently and man, was that shitstorm hilarious.

edited 8th Jan '17 2:35:51 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#43938: Jan 8th 2017 at 2:55:12 PM

ps. reminder that Sun and Blake are like 17 so being shitty teenagers is right up their alley

I’ve also come to the conclusion that Ruby is relatively shallow compared to the other characters because this is her coming of age story rather than her journey of a hero.

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#43939: Jan 8th 2017 at 3:36:59 PM

I liked this episode more than I expected to. Spoilers inside the folders.

    Patch 
  • That's some really good tech Ironwood's had made for Yang. Wonder what the secret price Ironwood is paying for it.
  • Love Taiyang and his 'never drop your guard training'.
  • Fandom called it on why Cinder's group found Yang useful — she's predictable and temperamental.
  • I called it on the problem with Yang's Semblance and how she uses it.
  • Cute - Taiyang loves Yang's smile.
  • Taiyang clearly learned about Yang and her hair the hard way.
  • Taiyang summarises how Adam one-shot Yang.
  • "Oh, so now we can talk about her?" So much said with so few words.
  • Summarise Raven's good traits. This is good because the show has been careful not to show us Raven using her strengths in a positive way. So, here's the show telling us that there is a positive side to her... there's just a reason we're not allowed to see it.
  • Team STRQ didn't simply split up. Taiyang says Raven's faults tore the team apart... which is 'split up' taken Up To Eleven. Big story there, clearly.
  • We've speculated whether or not Tai knew why Raven left. It's starting to look like he does know.
  • Taiyang sounds like he might have been Team STRQ's strategist. He seems more like a mature Sun than a mature Jaune, however.
  • Yang's all proud, and Dad's all proud. Nice way to end the scene - but I'm still keeping my eye out for PTSD.
  • Nice touch with how Yang is holding Tai. It gives us a nice hint of the cybernetic arm's strength without any words.

    Atlas 
  • Whitley interrupts Weiss right in the middle of summoning practice. Try to cause another loss of control perhaps?
  • Whitley gloating about both his inheritance and his freedom.
  • Winter said the Semblance is inherited through the Schnee family. Weiss is saying Whitley didn't inherit it. It can't be female-only, otherwise it wouldn't be a Schnee Semblance, because Nicholas was a man (unless he married a relative).
  • Whitley pulling the 'huntsmen are barbarians' card. I'm still convinced Jacques has a Semblance, but I'm guessing that Weiss has no idea he has one. I fully expect Whitley to have abilities. He's keeping them secret, however.
  • I keep saying this: Frank Baum created a version of Father Christmas, the Frost King, and Jack Frost (the Frost King's son). His version of Jack Frost had very interesting powers - the ability to control shadows; he could freeze a person's shadow and make it independent of the person who cast the shadow. Bit of an implication the Frost family passed it around, so does the Gelee family have a Semblance secret, too?
  • I'm still expecting that statue of the King Taijitu in the hall to be a real one that's been frozen (or the shadow of one). It even had saliva around the open jaws (frozen, of course).
  • Whitley shares Jacques' dislike for Ironwood. So, Whitley is continuing his path of appearing to be mini-Jacques. Bet there's a plot cooking to discredit Ironwood.
  • Gotta love the way Weiss closes the door but... this Schnee Semblance is insane.
  • There's a picture of the Knight on the wall. Looks like she's keeping it there for summoning inspiration.
  • Wonder if the book that falls to the floor is significant?
  • Summoning earthquake!!
  • Klein does not look thrilled by this turn of events.
  • Jacques warned Weiss that the staff were answering to him on the matter of dealing with her imprisonment. I won't be surprised if Klein turns out to be feeding all this info, including her favour, back to Jacques.

    Menagerie 
  • Called it on the faunus being Ilia (mentioned by the fox brothers a couple of episodes ago).
  • Blake doesn't seem surprised. Probably figured it out just before Sun first jumped into view over the trees.
  • Looks like four clones is Sun's limit right now. It obviously took a lot for him to do it for as long as he did.
  • Ilia's pretty strong to need four clones. I think Sun only used three on the sea dragon.
  • Patterned mask = high ranking. Horns are fake. All part of the need to 'blend in'.
  • Chameleon faunus for the win. Her weapon is even like a chameleon's tongue. Awesome!
  • Looks like her colour changes reveal what power she's using: Red skin for Fire, Green skin for Wind.
  • Ilia holding back from attacking her. Can't bring herself to hurt Blake? Under orders from Adam not to engage Blake? Both? There is a bit of a hint in her voice and face that she's not enjoying this.
  • Sun's down for the count. At least we know that he won't be fighting Adam (unless he tries the climb-out-of-bed-to-help-but-collapses option). This could be a set up for getting Sun shipped off to Haven.
  • Blake's gone into self-blame mode. She needs to learn that she's not responsible for what happened to either Yang or Sun. Shoulders that carry too much weight - especially weight they shouldn't be carrying - break very nastily.
  • Wonder what will be on the phone.
  • Wonder if the phone is actually a plant — make it look like she didn't want them to have the phone, so that it sets up a trap.
  • Ilia's name is Ilia Amitola. Amitola means 'rainbow' and Ilia... well, it's a name in its own right ('God is Yhw'), but it might also be a play on 'chameleon'.
  • Really, really, really cannot stand how Blake's ears are animated. It's getting more and more annoying with every episode. Hope it's improved in Volume 5.

    Anima 
  • Ruby and Blake in the same bad place right now.
  • Wonder what Qrow is muttering about. Sounds like he's reliving telling Tai about Summer's death. Some fever-dream Summer reveals coming our way?
  • Shout out to them discarding the map when they first saw Oniyuri. Guess they didn't have a chance to recover it.
  • Ren's spidey-sense is tingling. We know Aura heightens someone's sense of awareness, but Ren's senses seem leaps ahead of anyone else's. Good training or Semblance-related?
  • Looks like they're on some kind of main road, given the sign posts.
  • Kuchinashi was mentioned on the maps in the WoR segments.
  • Looks like Kuroyuri is Ren's home village, judging by his anger and determination to avoid the place.
  • A team splitting up is never good.
  • Such a tiny smile of gratitude from Ren to Nora: Renora shippers go wild!
  • Manly hug! Jaune/Ren shippers go wild!
  • Same symbol on the ground that appeared in Episode 2. Still looks like a giant hoofprint (horse) to me but was first seen at the village Raven (and then the Grimm) showed up to.
  • I don't think the symbol is Raven's tribe so much as the mysterious backer that Qrow mentioned. Given that Ren and Nora recognised it, I'm thinking it might be the 'not just any one' Grimm Ren mentioned at Oniyuri.
  • Possible set up for one of the pairs to come across Oscar, or for Jaune's Semblance to finally kick in. Or both.
  • Kuroyuri — the 'Black Lily' (aka Kamchatka Lily, rice lily and skunk lily). It's a fritillary, a flower so dark a purple it looks almost black. It's bulb is edible, it has a foul smell, and it symbolises being cursed — in legend, a man had a concubine so beautiful, all the other wives and concubines got jealous so framed her; thinking she was having an affair, the man tortured her to death and slaughtered her entire extended family. The flower turned from white to black. She became a vengeful spirit as a result (a different flower, the Orange Lily, is also named after her and symbolises hatred and vengeance).
  • So, Ruby and Jaune alone in a destroyed village named after a cursed flower, with a symbol connected to Raven's bandits and her mysterious backer, with a dying man whose Semblance causes misfortune to everyone around him. What could possibly go wrong?

edited 8th Jan '17 4:44:40 PM by Wyldchyld

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#43940: Jan 8th 2017 at 4:33:20 PM

Weiss's revolver-rapier has a slot with purple dust. What on earth does purple dust do? Does it poison? Does it make its victim extremely relaxed? Does it intoxicate?

We have seen purple Dust - in crystal form where Salem is living. It's not just dotted all around the landscape, it's what her hall, tables chairs and candle holders are all made out of (some of her hair jewellery seems to be made out of it, too).

Also there seems to be a pattern of all the guys in this show having low stamina - there's Jaune, Ozpin not lasting 10 rounds with Cinder, Ironwood needing cybernetic enhancement, Qrow bottoming out while fighting Tyrian, and now Sun getting tased after a single attack.

I can't agree that any of those examples are evidence of 'low stamina'.

Jaune had a complete lack of combat training and didn't know how to use his Aura properly and tactically in battle. His stamina wasn't commented on - his training and knowledge were.

Ironwood is based on the Tin Man, of course he's going to have cybernetic body parts. 'Enhancement' implies he got it because he wanted to be stronger than natural, but the implication is that he's had a terrible battlefield experience, and he needed half his body replaced (a more extreme version of what happened to Yang).

Ironwood is a man who has clearly been through a terrible ordeal. That's why I'm hoping that Yang's PTSD is still a thing because Ironwood's the obvious choice to help her with that.

Qrow and Tyrian broke each other's Auras at the same time in the fight. Their fight was harder and faster than Tyrian versus the kids, and Tyrian broke Ruby's Aura much faster than he broke Qrow's.

The last time we saw Ozpin, he was winning against Cinder, and quite easily, too, given how fast he was mowing down her fire attack (and the whole fight looked like he was holding back anyway). Publicly to her subordinates, Salem was willing to act like Ozpin died, but privately to Cinder, she clearly didn't believe a word of it. When Cinder insisted she was telling the truth, Salem's concluded that Ozpin's planning something. Salem's behaviour indicates she doesn't believe Cinder is capable of defeating Ozpin, even with the Fall Maiden's power, unless Ozpin lets her.

Sun being hit by a sniper shot when his Aura is exhausted is no different to Yang being one-shot by Adam.

I hope Weiss leaves next episode. Regardless of what I think about Papa and Jr., having their drama remain completely separated from the main plot is extremely boring.

I don't believe for a moment that Jacques and Whitley are separate from the main plot.

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FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#43941: Jan 8th 2017 at 4:35:44 PM

I mean, unlike Yang, Sun had his Aura depleted. Put anyone in his position and they would have reacted accordingly.

In Adam's case, Yang's Aura was a non-factor entirely. He just totalled it in one sweep.

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#43942: Jan 8th 2017 at 4:45:48 PM

I didn't see it as "Whitey" doesn't have the family semblence". I saw it as "Whitley has no huntsman training and may not have even unlocked his aura, never mind his semblence".

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#43943: Jan 8th 2017 at 4:49:29 PM

[up][up] Exactly, on both counts. Neither are examples of stamina.

Yes, the four clones is an indication that Sun's Aura was at its limit, but that's more about the development of his Semblance and doesn't tell us anything about his actual stamina. It's the same for Emerald struggling to fool two minds at once, or Ruby's Semblance struggling when she picked up Penny. Yeah, Aura can be trained and developed like stamina can be, but that doesn't mean the two things are the same.

@Sereg: I saw it as both that he doesn't have the Schnee Semblance (at least, not in any form Winter and Weiss recognise), and that he has no formal huntsman training. I don't believe his Aura is untrained, however, I do believe he has a Semblance.

It could be that the Schnee Semblance manifests differently in men than women rather than Whitley having a different power entirely, but it doesn't change the fact that I think Weiss is underestimating him and that he's keeping his abilities secret. And if he is keeping his abilities secret, I expect him to have learned that off Jacques as well.

For Nicholas to have fallen for Jacques, I do expect Jacques to have some kind of warrior background for a 'kindred souls' comparison to be made — one that Jacuqes used to his advantage. I therefore do expect Jacques (and Whitley) to have trained Auras and Semblances; it's just that if they don't go to the Academies, they can keep their abilities secret for use as a trump card.

edited 8th Jan '17 4:54:55 PM by Wyldchyld

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43944: Jan 8th 2017 at 4:51:05 PM

[up][up]That's fair. You have to train to unlock your Semblance. Theoretically the only difference between a Schnee and anyone else in that regard is that the Schnee will already know what their power is going to be.

edited 8th Jan '17 4:52:02 PM by LSBK

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#43945: Jan 8th 2017 at 6:25:18 PM

On a random tangent, it just occurred to me that the color scheme of team RWBY matches that of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse (or at least one version). Probably just a coincidence but who knows.
Err... Which?

Conquest is White, War is Red, Famine is Black, and Death is Palenote 

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#43946: Jan 8th 2017 at 8:45:26 PM

Technically Death is the only one actually named in the Bible. The others have been given various names afterwards based solely on their descriptions. The first one in particular has people arguing over what it should be (though Conquest is a good guess). War is the most universally agreed upon, after Death, due to the explicitness of its description, but if Conquest is separate, that implies that it might be only a subdivision of war (eg. Civil War). People usually refer to one as Pestilence, but none of them really match that. Also, while Famine is not a terrible name for the third, based on its description, a better name might be Inflation. Or maybe Economic Inequality.

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#43947: Jan 8th 2017 at 9:12:57 PM

[up]Well:

And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder: "Come!" And I saw, and look! a white horse, and the one seated on it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went out conquering and to complete his conquest.
When he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say: "Come!" Another came out, a fiery-colored horse, and it was granted to the one seated on it to take peace away from the earth so that they should slaughter one another, and he was given a great sword.
When he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say: "Come!" And I saw, and look! a black horse, and the one seated on it had a pair of scales in his hand. I heard what sounded like a voice in the midst of the four living creatures say: "A quart of wheat for a denarius and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the olive oil and the wine."
When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say: "Come!" And I saw, and look! a pale horse, and the one seated on it had the name Death. And the Grave was closely following him. And authority was given them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with a long sword and with food shortage and with deadly plague and by the wild beasts of the earth.

The first one specifically mentions conquering and conquest.
The second is pretty clearly talking about War.
The description in the third one sounds like rationing in a famine.

That being said, I'm not arguing the names, I'm questioning where CaptainCapsase got RWBY's colors syncing up to the Fab Four. I mean, I don't see Yellow anywhere in that [lol]

edited 8th Jan '17 9:13:37 PM by BlackSunNocturne

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#43948: Jan 8th 2017 at 10:33:49 PM

You know, having a Never Live It Down mentality with a character is a bad idea. Just get over it.

No. When the show acknowledges something happened and stops trying to act as though the character can simply carry on as usual after that, I will "get over it".

I genuinely wonder if this same conversation would take place if Yang was in Sun's situation, or if Sun and Blake's positions were switched.

You know, in every conversation I've ever been in where the subject of inappropriate behaviour on the part of a man (or a male character) has been raised, somebody has tried to play this card. "You wouldn't care if it was a girl" they suggest, as if it were some kind of killing point. It's not. It's a deflection and a dodge, an appeal to hypothetical hypocrisy in place of addressing or accepting the actual issue under discussion.

People say "oh Sun should have asked her" or "He should respect her space" when that's literally the last thing Blake needs. Blake doesn't talk about her problems and they will only persist unless somebody else gets through to her. Now yea, Sun was pretty wrong for following her without her permission, but it's not like Blake would have asked him to come along and she basically left without a trace. It's pretty in-character for him to look out for his friends, so what was he supposed to do, just let go about her business and ignore the blatant problems that she's facing? He'd be a shitty friend if he didn't follow her because that's what friends do, they butt into your problems because they care about you.

No. That's not what friends do. If one of my friends stalked me for six months, I'd call the police. End the relationship too. You do not get to make yourself a part of someone's life without their permission.

Could it have been handled better? Yea, definitely. Does that justify the amount of times we've had to go back and forth on Sun being some creepy stalker who Blake should have thrown over board on the ship? Hell no and it annoys me to no end that people are willing to hold Episode 3 over his head entirely and the fact that it's getting to a point where we have to actually avoid talking about as to not go on for another 10 pages on "was Sun a creepy stalker or not"

It annoys me to no end that some people will go out of their way to justify or excuse stalking and other socially inappropriate behaviours, while telling those of us offended by it "get over it" and similar nonsense. Your point?

As for holding Episode 3 over his head, I can't speak for anyone else here, but I'm not holding it over his head. I'm just not going to pretend it didn't happen. When someone, be it a real person, or a character in a story, does what Sun did, it proceeds to colour everything that follows (and everything that came before). Case in point—one of the running jokes with Sun is "Sun winds up in a place he isn't supposed to be." That was funny, right up until they had him follow a girl for six months without his permission. Now those jokes are tainted by what he did. For them to go back to being funny, they would need to deal with the elephant in the room. Once they actually do that (in a competent manner) it will stop being an issue.

I'll finish by noting a rather ugly trend I'm seeing here, in which people are insisting that, in order to prevent arguments, those of us who dislike Sun have to never ever express that dislike. Which is a crock. As I've said before, I don't like the "Blake is lame" jokes, but I don't demand that you all stop making them. I just ignore them when someone else brings them up. And yet for some reason, nobody here seems capable of granting me, or Tobias, or Jovian, or any of the others who dislike Sun the same courtesy.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43949: Jan 8th 2017 at 10:46:23 PM

@Nocture: Some portrayals, particularly in art make "pale" into a bile yellow, or just straight up yellow. Which is where the likely coincidence comes from: the R W B Y color set looks better than R W B G. Like look up "horsemen of the apocalypse" on google images and Pestilence tends to be yellowish-green if not flat out yellow in a bunch of them.

edited 8th Jan '17 10:48:39 PM by CaptainCapsase

AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#43950: Jan 8th 2017 at 11:02:26 PM

In Sun's defense he didn't stalk her for 6 months because he had a crush on her, or because he didn't want her to leave him, but because he assumed she was taking the fight to the White Fang but was going to insist on going it alone because she felt guilty about Yang, even though that would likely end up killing her.

In that case it's understandable. Someones life is more important then their personal space especially when they're emotionally compromised. If someone was suicidal would you leave them be knowing they'd likely off themselves or stick to them because them being alive and pissed at you is better than dead, but at least you respected their space.

Granted he was wrong on that assumption, but by then they were already at Menagerie.

Even most recently when he bugged her about the Fang he did so because he spotted a clearly suspicious masked Fang person and was concerned she was being targeted, which she was. Just because Blake doesn't want to hear doesn't mean it's not a legitimate danger.

Sun's with her because he's concerned for her life. He really shouldn't be wronged for feeling like that, especially when the last friend of theirs that ran off on her own ended up getting herself killed.


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