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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#43651: Jan 2nd 2017 at 6:59:44 PM

That's the problem with having so much money. Eventually it overwhelms and blinds you.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43652: Jan 2nd 2017 at 7:01:01 PM

"but instead both Weiss and the narrative brush it off as no big deal and pretty much pretend it never happened once the immediate danger is passed"

in part because Jacques push her into the party in the first place and because the worst to him is the lose of face

"Either she swallows her pride and tries to make nice with her dad while still steering things in the direction she wants (rather than just throwing a tantrum when things aren't how she wants)"

Yeah is not going to happen because this is not some misunderstanding, Jaque want to control her daughter, she won allow it and he is using the whole hair thing against it.

"that Jacques has actually put work in to the Schnee family and the Schnee Dust Company, while Weiss has not."

it does change because all is claim about the schnee name mean very little if he just got marry with a trick.

"Jacques wants Weiss to do what's best for the company. Weiss wants to do what's best for Weiss"

a this point the company and Jacques are the same thing, so her going against him is going against the interest of the company, so far whitley qualification boils down to "he does what daddy said" which is not much.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#43653: Jan 2nd 2017 at 7:06:25 PM

Jacques wants Weiss to do what's best for the company. Weiss wants to do what's best for Weiss. Jacques and Whitley are willing to do what's best for the company, while Weiss and presumably Winter are not. It's not exactly a hard decision to see who would be the better person to run the company.
Uhhh... no?

Jacques wants what's best for Jacques. The term "Corrupt Corporate Executive" describes him very well. The man's amoral and self-serving. He doesn't care about the SDC, he cares about what the SDC can do for him.

What I'm afraid of is that Weiss will end up in control of the company through a plot device like her dad and brother being killed or something.
In all honesty, that'd be for the best. It'd (possibly) give Weiss some emotional turmoil, and give her a chance to grow. Plus, it gets rid of two amoral assholes.

edited 2nd Jan '17 7:08:33 PM by BlackSunNocturne

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#43654: Jan 2nd 2017 at 7:11:16 PM

it does change because all is claim about the schnee name mean very little if he just got marry with a trick.
Jacques' claim to the Schnee name isn't just "he tricked Nick Schnee into letting him marry his daughter". It's "he's successfully run the Schnee Dust Company for years". Jacques has actually done things to advance the Schnee name. Weiss has not; she was simply born into it.

Jacques wants what's best for Jacques. The term "Corrupt Corporate Executive" describes him very well. The man's amoral and self-serving. He doesn't care about the SDC, he cares about what the SDC can do for him.
He cares about the SDC because he runs the SDC. He's not going to run the company he controls into the ground because all his wealth, power, and influence comes from being the CEO of a powerful company. If the SDC goes under, so does Jacques.

I never said that he was a nice guy, or that his reasons for caring about the SDC were anything but self-interested, but I would certainly say that he cares more about the fate of the SDC than Weiss does. If the SDC goes bankrupt tomorrow, Weiss goes off to become a Huntress and moves on with her life, while Jacques has lost everything he's worked his entire life to build.

In all honesty, that'd be for the best.
It'd also be a thoroughly boring and hackneyed plot device.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#43655: Jan 2nd 2017 at 7:11:30 PM

@ Native

To be fair.Being a Huntress would give her that influence .There are few things that could get better PR than saying your CEO is one of the defenders of mankind.

Pretty sure she doesn't know about Salem even now and even if she did she wouldn't inherit the company in time to do anything

edited 2nd Jan '17 7:16:44 PM by DeanCole

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#43656: Jan 2nd 2017 at 7:13:09 PM

Though I could see a situation were Whitley decides to think for himself and helps his sister by running the company and she just keeps her position of head of the family when their father is eliminated.

"Shall I use you, or make you mine... I'm not so sure what I'll do." - Dorthy
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#43657: Jan 2nd 2017 at 7:17:38 PM

Weiss' motivation for becoming a Huntress seems to be bringing the Schnee family back to what she sees as its roots — not high-society corporate fatcats, but stalwart defenders of the people against the ravages of the grimm. Which is great and all, and it's a noble goal, but she certainly seems to have been under the impression that she was going to do that and run the SDC at the same time, which is... well, silly, basically. Those are both more-than full time jobs, and there's absolutely no overlap in the skill sets.

She really needs to decide which thing is important to her and do that, rather than running off to become a Huntress and just assuming that she's going to inherit the SDC because she's the heiress, of course she is, why wouldn't she?

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43658: Jan 2nd 2017 at 7:18:10 PM

"but I would certainly say that he cares more about the fate of the SDC than Weiss does."

think is, this cut both way, he said she is a danger to company because is a danger to HIM, she affect is status quo therefore she is a liability.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#43659: Jan 2nd 2017 at 7:19:26 PM

It'd also be a thoroughly boring and hackneyed plot device.
And RWBY doesn't run on those already?

Though I could see a situation were Whitley decides to think for himself and helps his sister by running the company and she just keeps her position of head of the family when their father is eliminated.
That'd be the best outcome of this situation, but unfortunately I doubt that's going to happen. RWBY basically has a formula of "shown to be antagonistic towards the heroes, always a villain and antagonist opposing the heroes. No exceptions". So Whitley's kinda screwed because of the series formula.

[down]Adam doesn't really count with that because he was a trailer character. EVERYONE had massively different expectations of the characters when it was just the trailers. Remember: Most people thought "Red" was going to be The Stoic.

I never really saw any people thinking that with Ironwood. The most I saw was that people thought Ironwood would be a General Failure who was in way over his head.

edited 2nd Jan '17 7:33:23 PM by BlackSunNocturne

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#43660: Jan 2nd 2017 at 7:28:23 PM

People thought Ironwood was a cliched traitorous/incompetent obstructive bureaucrat cum dick-waving general and he turned out awesome. Then people thought Adam would be an interesting character with some relatable motivations who fell off the deep end and became what he hated and instead he's a borderline caricature of an unstable, creepy, jealous ex-boyfriend psycho edgelord.

What I'm saying is that a character swerving from their initially expected characterization goes both ways.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#43661: Jan 2nd 2017 at 7:30:26 PM

[up][up]Well, both of those things are true, but I'm talking about what I'd like to see, not what I think will actually happen.

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DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#43662: Jan 2nd 2017 at 7:34:46 PM

@Native

Honestly I don't see that. To me she motivtion seems to be repair the SDC's damaged reputation in the eyes of the public and working as a huntress is a means to that end.

edited 2nd Jan '17 7:38:06 PM by DeanCole

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#43663: Jan 2nd 2017 at 7:35:49 PM

[up][up][up] Basically, right now, if you exaggerate the thread's views on things...We're not going to be happy unless Raven, Adam and Jacques take each other out while accidentally killing Sun in the middle of it all, and then Yang and Blake kiss each other on their corpses while Ozpin burns in hell and Qrow reveals he's Ruby's real father.

edited 2nd Jan '17 7:36:09 PM by TheMageofFire

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#43664: Jan 2nd 2017 at 7:40:10 PM

[up][up]Isn't that... basically what I said? Right now (largely thanks to Jacques), people see the Schnees as "rich corporate assholes". Weiss wants people to see the Schnees as "valiant defenders of mankind", which is why she wants to become a huntress. But the most recent episode showed rather conclusively that she expected to be running the SDC in addition to being a huntress, rather than choosing to be a huntress instead of running the SDC, which is what I'm saying is silly.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43665: Jan 2nd 2017 at 7:48:06 PM

[up][up]that sound like a good way of end the seriescool

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Darthwyn leader of Inherit from The void Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#43666: Jan 2nd 2017 at 7:53:37 PM

[up] Raven's last words should be Ruby instead of her actual daughter evil grin

Raven - So I guess pay her back after all ( coughs up blood )

Ruby - should I bring Yang over to so you can say a few words or something

Raven - Why would I want to talk to my daughter at a time like this?

edited 2nd Jan '17 7:53:52 PM by Darthwyn

"Shall I use you, or make you mine... I'm not so sure what I'll do." - Dorthy
DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#43667: Jan 2nd 2017 at 7:54:02 PM

well she herself may want to use her status as a huntress to insure the public it the company has a trustworthy leader but think saying that her wants the entire company to be view as such is a overstating it a bit.Largely I feel she just wants the SDC to be trustworthy again.

Has for being a huntress and a business woman well there are hunters who take up other jobs and stop going on missions.Like Tai for example

edited 2nd Jan '17 8:00:51 PM by DeanCole

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43668: Jan 2nd 2017 at 7:55:27 PM

Expecting Raven to save Qrow. That should lead to some interesting things, maybe a comment on how Ruby is the spitting image of Summer and exposition about her, and, of course, what went on at Shion and the powerful ally she has that Qrow was talking about. But maybe that's too hopeful.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43669: Jan 2nd 2017 at 8:00:01 PM

[up][up][up]

Raven: remenber ruby....you would always be my favorite.

Ruby. and yang?

raven:....who?

cool

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#43670: Jan 2nd 2017 at 8:27:58 PM

I'm actually surprised on the amount of reasoning shown for Weiss` situation; I figured everyone would just be "FUCK JACQUES, GO WEISS" .

And yea, I have to agree. The show doesn't really give any reason why we should side with Weiss beyond the fact that she's a main character and we're supposed to root for her by default, especially when her Dad's a jerk.

She really hasn't justified her position at all and we're just supposed to assume she's right cuz...reasons. This is especially jarring because the series is trying it's damnest at portraying her Dad as in the wrong. Not to say that locking her away and not dealing with her isn't a massive dick move, but he's not exactly wrong for reprimanding his daughter when she's blatantly out of line...ya know, the thing he's supposed to do as a father?

But this series really seems to run on Protagonist-Centered Morality and the fandom seems to just agree with it. It's why we have so many people wanting Whitely and Jacques` heads on a platter despite the fact that they actually have a point. They're not with the main character, so fuck them.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#43671: Jan 2nd 2017 at 8:31:32 PM

Well I agree with the sentiments on Weiss' situation but still want Jacques' head on a platter. Whitely hasn't earned that right...YET.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43672: Jan 2nd 2017 at 8:33:36 PM

[up][up]o be fair, is also because acting out of line is hard to said considering how controling and assholish he is, so is a little harsh to call her entitled right there.

edited 2nd Jan '17 8:34:03 PM by unknowing

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Darthwyn leader of Inherit from The void Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#43673: Jan 2nd 2017 at 8:33:49 PM

[up][up][up][up] Raven : I will always be proud of you Ruby Rose

Ruby : shouldn't that be something you would want to say to Yang......

Raven : Ruby I am bleeding out and possibly dying this is not the time for jokes

edited 2nd Jan '17 8:34:40 PM by Darthwyn

"Shall I use you, or make you mine... I'm not so sure what I'll do." - Dorthy
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43674: Jan 2nd 2017 at 8:37:55 PM

[up]Raven: my only regret was never having time with you ruby.

Ruby. you maybe want to said that to your daughter yang...

Raven:...wait, arent you yang? you look like Yang, I remenber very well!

Ruby:......

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#43675: Jan 2nd 2017 at 8:38:52 PM

But this series really seems to run on Protagonist-Centered Morality and the fandom seems to just agree with it. It's why we have so many people wanting Whitely and Jacques` heads on a platter despite the fact that they actually have a point. They're not with the main character, so fuck them.

Whitely is still up in the air. He's a bit of a dick, but most of the hate for him is following the hate for Jacques, since he appears to be following his father's example. He could turn out to be better, or not.

Jacques is something else. Yes, Weiss did something wrong (accidentally attacked a guest). Yes, she deserves to be reprimanded. But he's not mad at her for attacking someone, he's mad at her for making a scene. And his punishment isn't "Honey, you just almost killed someone, I'm grounding you while I find a good psychologist," it's "If you don't obey my orders while in public, you don't get to go out in public."

Weiss' story this season does have a dose of Protagonist-Centered Morality, in that her mistakes are kind of being swept under the rug, but that doesn't change the fact that the other people are worse.

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