Raven is more "jeez, this spolied and entitled children of today, when I was a kid my parent barely talk when I was in danger, they were distant, they were cold and we like it, now look them now demanding parental suport....a bunch of weaklings"
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"@unknowing: The most recent SU season is getting more than a bit of flack for frontloading a bunch of Slice of Life oriented episodes though.
edited 2nd Jan '17 2:27:18 PM by CaptainCapsase
because right now there isnt a threat that could come in any minute: Jasper have been deal with, lapis is there as friend(kinda), and homeworld remain distant, granted the steven bomb will come close will shake thing up, so that can make for it.
It could be argued that Raven is better than Jacques that for whatever reason she didn't raise Yang in her terrible life style and killing and looting from those weaker than her. Of course, she sees nothing wrong with that lifestyle, so she probably had other reasons besides maternal concern for that.
Every Season of SU starts with a bunch of Slice of Life episodes. I don't understand why it's suddenly a problem now, especially because it's justified.
But back to RWBY, I totally agree that the majority of Volume 1 and 2 are fillery. I'm rewatching the former and questioning why they spent so much time emphasizing the school stuff they knew wouldn't matter in the long run
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Messing with audience expectations; Rooster Teeth absolutely loves to fake out the audience, though they may have taken it too far when they devoted two-and-a-half seasons to setting up a magical school Dramedy only to shift gears and kill a bunch of characters and destroy the school right when people were getting comfortable.
Also, as
said it did create a very effective sense of loss for both the characters and the audience by doing such a long con.
edited 2nd Jan '17 2:42:07 PM by CaptainCapsase
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Sure, but almost all season have some great threat or part they will fall, the 3 season have jasper and before was Malachite and the cluster, this one have...nothing.
volume 1 the excuse is that they focus more on the chararter, volume 2....yeah I got nothing
edited 2nd Jan '17 2:48:38 PM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I'm sure there are things Ozpin hasn't told Qrow. I'm not convinced Qrow has told RNJR everything that Ozpin has told him, however. Qrow is like Ozpin. He actively manipulated Ruby into going on this adventure in the first place (something she still hasn't figured out yet). Ruby thinks she made the choice to go, but Qrow manipulated things so that she made the choice he wanted her to make.
Jaune is completely right that Qrow used Ruby as bait, just as Qrow is right to point out that's not the only thing factoring into his decision to tail them instead of travel with them.
Here's one big reason why I think he won't have told RNJR everything that Ozpin has told him: he's carrying Ozpin's cane. There's obviously a reason for why he feels the need to cart the cane around everywhere he goes but the audience doesn't know what it is and I'm more than willing to wager that Qrow hasn't mentioned that cane to RNJR at all. While Ruby knew Qrow had Ozpin's cane in her bedroom back home, and so is in a position to say "Hey, Uncle Qrow, if you followed us, what did you do with Ozpin's cane?" my guess is that she hasn't asked that question and it hasn't even occurred to her to ask it. Because that would imply that Ozpin's cane is important, and right now, after being told about gods and magic, superpowers and supervillains, the kids are reeling with information they never thought they'd ever be given, so why on earth would it occur to them that one man's cane would be important?
What it does, however, is make sure Ozpin's cane is on the same continent as Oscar and that's red flag territory for me (on top of the red flags from Qrow recovering the cane from Beacon in the first place, that is).
Qrow's hiding more secrets than just the fact he and Raven can turn into birds or that Raven's also following them. It could be that Ozpin once told him "If anything happens to me, you have to recover my cane and keep it with you at all costs" the way he said to Pyrrha "the tower must not fall", so he's carting it around without knowing why he's doing it. But the show has made a point of creating an in-universe comparison between Ozpin and Qrow, so I'm willing to bet that Qrow - even if he doesn't know everything - still knows more than he's revealed to the kids on this occasion.
As Ruby said, she trusts Qrow. That's a red flag right there.
edited 2nd Jan '17 2:55:45 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Yes, but I'm specifically wondering if what Qrow told them about Salem is basically all Ozpin has told him; "she's our enemy, she wants the relics, that's all you need to know."
If that's the case than I actually could see things going like Xenoblade Chronicles and Ozpin turning out to be the Big Bad, because goddamn does that make him look suspicious. I swear to god if this turns into a Whole-Plot Reference to Gnosticism, the Evil Overlord turns out to be an Anti-Villain, and the moon turns out to be the real God of the setting...
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I doubt it but I feel Ozpin crate salem or a least those problem right now.
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Jacques is more a controling guy, I dont think it was any physical abuse, just a lot of manipulation, Raven is diferent because she dosent seen to care about Yang that much.
edited 2nd Jan '17 3:01:43 PM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
I'm inclined to doubt that as well, since it doesn't really mesh well with everything else we've seen of him, but if he's really holding back that much about Salem from Qrow I can't imagine the actual reason for it being anything good.
"This person is our enemy, don't question, obey" is a really massive red flag.
edited 2nd Jan '17 3:04:23 PM by CaptainCapsase
I'm not sure what you mean? I think the likely case right now is that Qrow is holding stuff about Salem back, but if he's not and literally all he knows is "she's our enemy and stuff", that makes Ozpin look ridiculously suspicious to the point where him being the real villain wouldn't be out of the question.
edited 2nd Jan '17 3:18:32 PM by CaptainCapsase
Given that Qrow pulled a "that's not what's relevant" card on the kids and started glaring at the broken moon when he talked about her ability to divide humanity? Yeah, he definitely knows more about Salem than he's telling.
Do I think he knows enough to know she looks like a humanoid Grimm and can control the Grimm? I'm less certain about that. He has mentioned to the Ozluminati about having "seen the things she's created" and regards them as real "fear", which is another reason why I'm sure he's hiding things from the kids (and his comments at the time made it sound like he was trying to make Ironwood comprehend the fact he knows more about Salem than Ironwood does).
For example, he didn't know Cinder's identity until it was too late even though he knew Cinder was at Beacon. He didn't know who Tyrian was either. So he clearly doesn't know much about who Salem's pawns are even though he knows she has them.
In fact, I think we can identify the two warnings Raven mentioned giving Qrow: at the end of Volume 1, Ozpin receives a text message from Qrow saying 'Queen has pawns'. I believe that was her 'Ozpin will fail' warning. Then Qrow turns up in person saying the person who de-powered Amber is the one who's inside the school sabotaging everything, which I'm betting was Raven's 'Beacon will fall' warning.
So, yes, I do believe Qrow's information on Salem is limited (and I do believe Raven knows more than him, as she seems to be his main information source when he's feeding knowledge back to the Ozluminati) but I do think he knows more about Salem than he's told the kids.
edited 2nd Jan '17 3:23:30 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
You're right, I'm probably underestimating Qrow, he's not just Dumb Muscle for Ozpin even if he is seemingly pretending to be. Now that being said, I'm not sure he really knows all that much beyond what she's done so far in pursuit of the relics.
The "why" of Salem's faction is something the show is keeping very close to its chest, presumably because it reflects very poorly on Ozpin given how much she seems to hate him personally.
As far as Raven goes, I don't really know what's up with her. I'm not inclined to think she's working for Salem based on the interaction with Qrow unless she was concern phishing for the status of the Spring Maiden.
edited 2nd Jan '17 3:26:34 PM by CaptainCapsase
Now, do I think it's possible that, if Ozpin and Salem are channelling gods, that Oz has the God of Darkness and Salem, the God of Light rather than Ozpin having the God of Light and Salem the God of Darkness connections? Yes, I do. Do I think there's a third 'balancing' middle brother god unmentioned by that legend? Yes, I do.
However, I really don't think the card hiding begins and ends with the truth about Ozpin. A lot of it is to do with writers not wanting to reveal too much of the plot until they have to.
I'm still thinking of Qrow and Raven as Huginn and Muninn to Ozpin's Odin, the two ravens that cover the world bringing knowledge to Odin. There are some interpretations that suggest one flies by day and one flies by night, or that both fly by day only or by night only. However, Qrow seems to be the face that everyone recognises and the one whose movements can be traced (at least to some extent). Meanwhile, Raven is secretive, hides her face and seems harder to pin down. She talks of family loyalty and remembering your roots while Qrow speaks of using your brain to think about consequences.
Although no-one really knows why Huginn and Muninn had those names, Huginn means 'Thought' and Muninn means 'Memory'. That would make Qrow the 'thought' and Raven the 'memory', one who works more openly (relative to the other sibling) and one who works more in the shadows (again, relative to their sibling).
I think Raven's walking a very dark road for Ozpin, and that Ozpin has confided more information in her than in Qrow.
edited 2nd Jan '17 3:33:15 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

I doubt Jacques is that much below Raven "I have a daughter?" Branwen.
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