I wish we would, but I'm not feeling really hopeful. The season has descended in Four Lines, All Waiting and I'm not sure at all how they're going to try and resolve that. I was hoping by this point in the show the team would be edging towards coming back together, yet no such luck thus far.
This. So much. I mean heck, you could probably have started the season with Tyrian's attack on Ruby's new crew, without having to introduce him or the other members of Salem's inner circle the way they did. Then move to Weiss deciding to run away from her dad, no three episode set up required.
Like I said at the time, I'd have cut the scene of Qrow and Raven following the team, since literally a minute later we see the two of them meet at the hotel. That's a minor example, but it's fairly typical to me of how the show has not used its time well. I'd have cut Weiss at the party too.
@Dean Cole
You still aren't following it. Sun badgering Blake into letting him come along does not in any way refute the stalking accusations and it is not a point in his favour. It does not erase the fact that he isn't supposed to be there, and it does not change the fact that he is there only at Blake's sufferance.
More importantly that he did it at all will colour him and his interactions with Blake for a good long time to come. It will colour how the audience reacts to him, and it will colour how Blake deals with him. Blake hit him in this last episode because he eavesdropped on and then crashed into a private moment she was having with her father, something that echoes his prior stalking of her.
As for the parting shot about Winter, stop it. If you don't want to revisit that discussion in detail stop bringing it up to try and score cheap points while misrepresenting my position. We can talk about it, or we can not talk about it, but you don't get to keep referencing it the way you are and then complain when the issues with you doing so are pointed out.
So what do you want then? The thread isn't suddenly going to go mute until the next episode. That's not how any thread on this site operates. I'm honestly not sure what you are aiming for at this point.
edited 2nd Jan '17 12:21:08 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Which was dealt with on the boat, and judging by Blake's reaction Sun hasn't done anything she deemed "unacceptable" until crashing into the room. What's more neither Blake or the viewer knows when or for how long Sun was there, which makes her angry at him for this less justified.
Which still doesn't make it right or acceptable.
Keep in mind I'd make this the entire first episode of Season 4.
For Ruby I would have started the season with Tyrion's attack on her new group, like Ambar suggested. Not a single thing she or her group did needed to be explored before then.
Weiss always needed to escape her dad's company, so I'd show everything from episode 7 concerning her disownment and have her escape in the same episode.
And Yang would just take Sun's place in Blake's plot, with Yang's steps to recovery being shown in a flashback the next episode.
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I was trying to stay out of this, but I do have to agree with that point. Socially unacceptable or abusive things don't suddenly become all right because they happen to someone you don't like. Assuming Ambar is actually entertaining the notion that it counts going "I don't like him so it doesn't matter" is just really petty.
Huh, that all sounds way too fast to me, but I get it. Well, except for the part about Yang joining Blake. I like the splitting up the band argument and delegating Yang's recovery to flashbacks sounds problematic to me.
edited 2nd Jan '17 12:35:30 PM by LSBK
Yang staying home to heal all season isn't enough meat for a heavily focused story arc. So my choices there were "Use a Ffashback to explain Yang's new progression" or "exclude her from a major Season 4 role and give her only 1 episode of focus, with Yang's recovery being The Stinger of Season 4's ending". I choose the former because I found it suited an interesting purpose.
edited 2nd Jan '17 12:42:16 PM by VeryMelon
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Well, she's been the least covered so I guess you have a point. Still, I think it's better the way. The last thing we see of her is probably going out on her own to find Ruby or something.
I like the fact that they established her new "normal" and that it took awhile for her to get there.
edited 2nd Jan '17 12:45:57 PM by LSBK
when it come to sun and blake, I will quote fergad:
"Sun has been relegated to a comic relief character, but combined with his tactless personality - because the man is pretty tactless - it doesn't work out well"
Like I said, Sun should me more crazy awsome brand of humor or a johnny cage type of chararter, but right now he is the plunky guy who stumble on things, hell Blake only need to said "BAKA!" and it will be done, so I dont think he is stalker but a victim of bad humor.
Also, as someone else said, Blake wanting security is one thing, but thinking the WF is not going near him is dense, which is...ughhhh.
"People were claiming that Winter had a right to slap Weiss out of nowhere for not giving her the answer she wanted to hear"
nobody was claming that Ambar and here Dean is right: they said the conext wasnt abusive, not what she did was right, please dunno cheap what the other said.
"Yang would also have the at least potentially less problematic excuse of "we're partners, I'm supposed to go where you go.""
sure? because between Yang and Sun there is not much diference, just that one is closer friend than the other.
"odds on how long it takes Weiss to escape from her father? "
I want Weiss to talk with her mother, otherwise all their mentions are useless, also I want to how what the living hell happen with Penny, after all that Atlas sneak a damn robot should be important, right?.
"'ve seen people guessing that it's actually Doctor Watts, who was driven to turn his coat after discovering on his own some or all of the unpleasant secrets Ozpin keeps even from the other headmasters"
I dont think so Cap, watts sound to me like the type of guy who think better people should guide sociaty, I expect Hazel to have a good motive but not Watts
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Now that I think about it, Yang's actually fine because of the minimal focus. She got exactly what her plot needed, a single episode to tell us she was going to get better eventually. I'm honestly fine with that, because it means this isn't a Four Lines, All Waiting situation. No, it's really more Two Lines, No Waiting with Ruby and Blake, with Weiss Trapped by Mountain Lions.
edited 2nd Jan '17 12:51:55 PM by VeryMelon
Yeah,Yang need one of two episode to get the robot hand and the rest to heal, kinda like legend of korra did, otherwise it would be problematic to skip that.
Weiss....yeah, I feel a lot of is show and very little happen in 3 episodes, and im annoyed we dont know more about Atlas or Penny(and yes, I will kept bring in that)
On the rest....meh, that is good, Ren have gotten more protagonism which is good and that scene with Jaunce was nice way to cope for him.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"That has been dealt with as early as Episode 3. Slapping him again, twice, would warrant a transgression greater than barging onto a private conversation. Plus she just kind of threw his Scroll away.
Where are those innapropriate behaviors beyond Sun being Sun (exaggerated version of himself, sad to say)? I mean, it should be obvious that the man doesn't belong in Menagerie at all, so it's obvious he would stumble. Beyond being the embarrassing idiot friend you bring home now and then, he hasn't really done anything.
Eavsdropping? No. He's been talking with Kali; her earlier dialogue and his later explanation all but confirms this.
@Yang Episode: I kind of want to see her doing some sort of training montage, though it feels like RNJR and Blake are going to be primary focuses of the volume.
Maybe we're getting more episodes? That's probably just wishful thinking.
edited 2nd Jan '17 1:03:21 PM by FergardStratoavis
Not to drag the dreaded conversation further but considering her father is leader of this little nation we can stop with Sun already. If they wanted Sun gone they can just as easily make him leave. At this point the only thing he has done wrong is rush into a room without the sense to knock. I am going to guess when the mom mentioned white fang don't where masks in the region he rushed off probably saying he needed to find blake and did so before she could say anything to him. Despite how much the father says he does not like Sun the guy is still there so obviously he has not done anything too stupid or criminal. If Blake had a real problem beyond mild annoyance at him being well him she would have said something by now. She has done no such thing beyond remind him why she went home.
The outfit remark seems to be for me at least the general parent in regards to attire of a daughter. He also didn't say it was bad he mostly questioned was it warm in vale and more armor wouldn't hurt. Considering how fanus are treated armor would not hurt one bit. It seemed more like he was not sure how to get the conversation started. Notice how the whole tea situation went. Blake believes he would have been angry or disappointed and for him it has been so long since they last talked probably that he is not even sure where to begin in regards to a conversation.
"Shall I use you, or make you mine... I'm not so sure what I'll do." - Dorthy@Ambar: Pacing has always been a bit of an issue with RWBY; basically nothing happened for the first half of volume 3, then the plot jumped forwards more in the span of the remaining episodes than it did over the course of the entire first two volumes. It kind of has a similar but more extreme (thanks to the characters splitting up) pacing problem to Steven Universe, where you get a bunch of Slice of Life stuff in between dense plot heavy segments.
@Wyldchyld: You know, in terms of what RNJR learns about Salem, I'm not sure if Qrow is holding back on them or if Ozpin is REALLY holding out on his subordinates.
edited 2nd Jan '17 2:05:45 PM by CaptainCapsase
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with SU, a lot of people are more forgiven since the slice of life have a purpose to bring steven as protagonist(otherwise he would suffer the shinji syndrome, HARSH) but so far I see people are starting to complain about this seasion, granted I will said RWBY was worse in that regard since Volume 3 made volume 2 almost irrelevant.
edited 2nd Jan '17 2:09:40 PM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Yo, if they shift focus to someone else after that cliffhanger, I'm gonna sooooo vexed.
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