First of all even if you consider Suns actions prior to the boat to be stalking.Its ceases to be that the moment she allowed him to go with him.
Secondly I didn't misrepresent anything. My point was that context should be considered when deciding if someones actions were abusive ( I bought up several other examples to show this).You on the other hand were willing to label her as abusive context be damned.
edited 2nd Jan '17 11:39:14 AM by DeanCole
This conversation will never go away, will it?
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!You're still misrepresenting the prior conversation in this statement. And strawmanning my point. And for that matter, trying to reduce a multi-page conversation to a couple of soundbites which is inherently going to misrepresent stuff.
I'll keep this brief—I do not label Winter's actions as "abusive, context be damned". I label them as "trending abusive, context inclusive".
You want to actually debate this, fine, we'll debate it. But stop trying to score cheap points by dredging up an old discussion and improperly representing what was said.
Uh, no. That he badgered her into letting him come along is not a point in his favour. More importantly though, you're actively missing the point of my prior comment—the moment Sun stalked Blake, it took a lot of the potential funny out of "Sun is in a place he shouldn't be". Doesn't matter if he's not doing it anymore; it's still a thing that happened, and it kills the comedy.
edited 2nd Jan '17 11:46:08 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Yeah, this isn't really the kind of thing people are going to change their opinion on or hold common ground on easily. It's just unfortunate that any mention of Sun or Blake's story-line circles back to this.
So, yeah, might be better to just start ignoring it.
edited 2nd Jan '17 11:45:09 AM by LSBK
Because there is no clear collective consensus on that. You want my opinion? Slapping your stalker is not abusive, particularly when he continues to engage in inappropriate behaviours towards you.
The fact that they've inserted Sun into her storyline the way they have makes avoiding the elephant in the room very difficult. To use the last episode as an example, was the conversation between Blake and her dad cute? Absolutely. Was it important character-wise for Blake? Absolutely. And then you-know-who crashed into it. It's hard to find a good moment for Blake that does not at some point have Sun plow into it this season, and if you're one of the people who doesn't like how he's being portrayed this season, that's going to be an issue.
In an effort to steer the conversation elsewhere—odds on how long it takes Weiss to escape from her father? Think Klein might help her do it? He's hopefully in this story for a reason after all.
edited 2nd Jan '17 11:50:41 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Got around to watching Episode 8.
- Qrow ramming home that the Maiden power transfer is similar to what's going on between Ozpin and Oscar (there's still discrepancies though).
- Amber was young and inexperienced — New Meat for Cinder, which is why she won, and implies Cinder's 'inexperienced' now, too.
- How does Qrow know Jaune was present when Ozpin gave Pyrrha the final choice? Off-screen update? Jaune was the only witness left, and Qrow knew something to be able to get Ozpin's cane.
- At least we now know why Ozpin's so obessed with choices and lack of choices.
- Qrow implies just having silver eyes isn't enough. You have to be able to use them, too. Does that mean there have been silver-eyed warriors who never learned how to use their power? Sounds like it.
- Jaune straight to the point with the bait accusation. Qrow doesn't deny it either, it's basically "bait plus semblance issues".
- Creation story! We learn about plants, animals, Grimm and humans. Spot what's missing? Just who created the Faunus?
- Ozpin knows these two Gods are real? He's either one of them or has met them/was created by them.
- Four relics, one in each Academy: Knowledge, Creation, Destruction, Choice. Time to guess which relic is in which academy. My guess:
- Knowledge: Atlas
- Creation: Haven
- Destruction: Shade
- Choice: Beacon
- Ozpin's cane is one of the four relics. That, or it's the key that opens the lock to the relics.
- I always knew there was something special about the tower that had nothing to do with Amber. Still not forgetting the heartbeat that could be heard every time there was a scene inside Ozpin's office.
- Qrow either doesn't know about Ozpin's little Body Surf trick or he's lying to the kids. Qrow tells the kids that Ozpin's predecessor created the four Academies. Ozpin tells Oscar he helped build Haven. If there were two different physical bodies, that would explain the world thinking Ozpin had a predecessor. That means Ozpin is the name of the united entity (the Body Surf plus the child who became the personality we knew as Ozpin). Oscar's personality won't remain intact. It's already beginning - he talked about how he gave the Haven headmaster the teaset even though it was Ozpin who did. Ozpin talks about how he was confused and afraid when it happened to him as a child, yet talks about being the person who helped build Haven. That's the experiences of two different people becoming the experience of a single, combined entity. Ozpin isn't the man with two souls, he's the man with many, many souls.
- Not much is known about Salem and that's not what matters? Yeah, pull the other one Qrow, it's got bells on.
- Great War implication that Salem was involved in starting it. No surprise there. Oh, and broken moon shot when talking about Salem's success in dividing humanity and Qrow glaring straight at it. Yeah, Qrow knows how the moon got broke and it's not at all relevant. Honest.
- They've gone out their way to avoid mentioning the Haven headmaster's name, but we now know he has an Autumn theme. My theory was that the Haven headmaster would turn out to be Pyrrha's mother. Initially, upon realising last week the headmaster is a man, I thought it was going to be Pyrrha's father. I've been wondering if it's one of the White Fang leaders, but it can't be Sienna Khan otherwise Sun would have recognised the name when it was mentioned by the fox brothers (since he goes to Haven Academy). So, Pyrrha's father is still my top guess.
- Interesting Semblance information:
- Passive, permanently active Semblances do exist.
- Semblances can cause grief.
- Qrow's Semblance is the exact opposite of his surname: in celtic lore, corvids can bring either good luck or bad. They're associated with gods, they can predict the future, they're not just signs of death and misfortune. They're also guides for the soul and guardians of the soul. "Branwen" can mean "white crow" and it can mean "blessed crow", but either way, the meaning is probably the same (because "white" is basically a colour-coded way of suggesting "blessed" and that means "otherworldly" - touched by the gods). So, how did the Branwen family get its family name if they've ended up with a scion who is the exact opposite?
- Does Raven have the same Semblance, or is she a 'good luck charm'. If she's a bad luck charm, it would explain why she left Yang, and it would explain why the Grimm turned up faster than normal at the village her bandits hit.
- Qrow makes it obvious that he's still keeping secrets from them.
- Qrow has the most awesome underreaction to being poisoned to death ever, and then falls unconscious. Since we know Raven's in the area, she's going to step in to heal Qrow. Cue mutually hostility with the kids, and possibly a hint of how much Ruby does or doesn't know about Yang's parentage.
- Examples of bad luck happening around Qrow off the top of my head (I'm going to rewatch the volumes and see if I can spot more):
- Bar tender drops glass when Qrow leaves the bar.
- Winter gets caught red-handed by Ironwood when she's fighting Qrow.
- Ruby and Yang can't beat Qrow at video games.
- The ease at which Cinder located the vault (misfortune on Ozpin after hanging around Qrow a short time beforehand).
- The Tyrian/Qrow fight - every time the kids got involved, mistakes happened, and Ruby found things going wrong for her, like the roof collapsing on top of her
- In this episode, Qrow pokes the fire while he talks about his Semblance, and then he walks off and a log falls off ready to set the forest on fire.
- Blake gives a nice call out to what she's learned about Weiss's past. If only she knew what was really happening to Weiss right now...
- Nice library, but all those plants probably make the room too humid to protect older books.
- So Blake did turn on her parents when they left the White Fang. I Knew It!.
- Ghira is sounding more and more like the Cowardly Lion, so I'm sticking with my theory about that.
- Blake and Ghira have a completely opposite experience to Weiss and Jacques.
- Not sure Ghira has a right to complain about Blake's lack of clothing. Has he looked in a mirror lately?
- Ghira instinctively dislikes Sun and Kali instinctively likes him. That probably means Ghira was just like Sun when he was a teenager. Hell, he's an older man with a wife and daughter, and he's still showing off his abs.
- Called it: I knew All Our Days was a father/daughter song and not a Yang/Ruby song. I was expecting Taiyang/Yang, but Ghira/Blake works for me!
- So the spy is going to be Sister Ilya/Ilja (whatever the spelling ends up being) that the fox brothers mentioned a couple of episodes ago.
- This is what will happen: Blake will confront the Faunus, she will reveal she's the old friend who just wanted to catch up but didn't know if she'd be welcome, honest. Blake will believe her. Sun won't. Sun will treated like a pariah because his mistakes have built up to the point where Blake has now (fairly) lost all patience with him. Sun will be proven right about the White Fang, just not in the next episode: Ilya/Ilja really isn't the friend she appears to be. Adam will attack, the battle of Menagerie will be the volume's climax and Sienna Khan's forces will rescue Menagerie to cement the idea that Khan is one of the good guys and that Adam really is a rogue element, honest. All according to Khan's plan.
edited 2nd Jan '17 11:57:09 AM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.You know what I particularly hate about this thread? Because I want to keep it under watch in case some actually important is brought up, but all what it devolves to is me checking it only to find just same people being arguing about same things. Sometimes I want to click on this thread just so that it isn't in my watchlist.
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As far as the Haven headmaster goes, I've seen people guessing that it's actually Doctor Watts, who was driven to turn his coat after discovering on his own some or all of the unpleasant secrets Ozpin keeps even from the other headmasters. Considering "Sacrifice" implies a similar fall from grace for Cinder, her claim to be from Haven and her cover identity as a haven academy student, if this theory is true I'm guessing that Cinder was originally a Haven student/graduate who may have ended up "falling" alongsidee Watts.
edited 2nd Jan '17 12:04:33 PM by CaptainCapsase
Except for the context behind the actions. Blake wasn't slapping a stalker, she was slapping Sun because he did something she disliked. After Sun apologized Blake continued to act with despite him trying to explain why he was there in the first place and by the time Blake tossed his scroll Sun himself was getting frustrated.
Had almost the exact same thought. I don't like Blake's new outfit, but Ghira is not in a position to criticize.
You could possibly add "everything bad that happened to his former team" to the list as well.
That was a pretty nice moment, actually. Seeing Blake reference a member of her team, and especially the one with which she had a somewhat rocky relationship was great. Frankly I wish there'd been more of that this season. I'd like it if every so often one member of RWBY would just wonder aloud what the others are doing. Would make them seem more like friends.
Then remove it from your watchlist. You think I enjoyed it when the thread was nothing but "Blake sucks" jokes, and "Adam the edgelord" memes? I did not, and I can't stand it when the thread returns to that state. But I don't own the thread, and I don't get to decide what people want to talk about, anymore than you do.
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I've been expecting one of the headmasters to be working secretly for the other side ever since the episode that revealed the headmasters were part of the Benevolent Conspiracy (as a mole or true turncoat). I'm also standing by my theory that reason Vacuo keeps getting no apparent mention is because it'll be the most important of all the academies by the end of this.
edited 2nd Jan '17 12:00:37 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.@Cross
Sun stalking her doesn't magically vanish. It's still a thing he did and will have to pay for a long time to come. Moreover, what he had just done—barging into a private conversation between her and her dad, and making it fairly obvious he'd been eavesdropping—calls back to the prior unacceptable behaviour.
And of course that's without getting into the fact that, from a purely audience perspective, I don't like Sun, I don't care about Sun, I don't give a damn about what happens to him, and I appreciate it when something shuts him up. It'd be like if Obi-Wan Kenobi suddenly slapped Jar-Jar silly.
edited 2nd Jan '17 12:02:50 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
@Wyldchyld: Yeah, in some ways it's looking like Salem's inner circle parallels that of Ozpin, with Qrow and Tyrian being the respective "go out into the world and get this done" people who don't really ask questions, Ironwood and Watts being the highly independent subordinate with suspicions about Ozpin, and Glynda and Hazel being the soft spoken and hyper-competent second in command.
edited 2nd Jan '17 12:07:26 PM by CaptainCapsase
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I say it once again—you don't own the thread, I don't own the thread, and neither does anybody else. People get to talk about what they want to, and if you or I or whoever does not like the topic of discussion we can a) bow out for a while or b) change the subject. So if you don't like what's currently being talked about, suggest something else, or respond to something someone has said on another topic. Join the speculation about what Haven will be like, or reply to my question about how long it will take Weiss to break out of her house, or pick your subject.
It's probably too early to hammer any of those counterpart comparisons in for good, but it certainly would not shock me if that's the direction they are going.
edited 2nd Jan '17 12:05:46 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
My point was that the cannot used him 'stalking' her as justification for her slapping him when she active allowed him to come with her. I am not going aruge about how a doe slap isnt abusive in context.Its been done already. Not doing it again
edited 2nd Jan '17 12:15:45 PM by DeanCole
x3 I am not saying that I own this thread. I am saying I am getting annoyed about this thread. And at this point, I am pretty sure "changing the subject" is impossible, as it would be more like "let's start another subject alongside five other subjects we already have and turn it into a mesh of words where you try to dig up something valuable in the sea of shit". Like this very conversation we are having is going to just be buried under everything else.
edited 2nd Jan '17 12:10:25 PM by TPPR10
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One characteristic of any rogue is a tendency to appear in places he's not supposed to be in, which Sun certainly does do with some frequency. Unfortunately, Episode 3 changed the context of that pretty heavily.
edited 2nd Jan '17 11:40:13 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar