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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43501: Jan 1st 2017 at 7:56:19 PM

[up][up] I'm not sure whether Ozpin is a servant of the gods or someone who has defied them; I wouldn't put it past Rooster Teeth to pull God Is Evil, especially given this setting seems very heavily JRPG influenced.

edited 1st Jan '17 7:58:34 PM by CaptainCapsase

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#43502: Jan 1st 2017 at 8:00:53 PM

Based on the information we have right now, one god is.

Of course, it's entirely possible Ozpin is the god of light and Salem is the god(dess) of darkness...or Ozpin was originally he creator of the Grimm and Salem the god of light with both flipping due to some unspecified event. Or none of the above.

We'll wait and see.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43503: Jan 1st 2017 at 8:02:32 PM

[up] That same evil god was also one of the co-creators of the human race, which implies to me that the real story of the origin of the world might be a bit more nuanced. Plus I feel like the moon will somehow be significant.

edited 1st Jan '17 8:02:58 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#43504: Jan 1st 2017 at 8:51:05 PM

The god of sunshine and rainbows turning out to be the bad guy while the god of darkness and destruction being the good guy would actually be enough of a twist on the formula to satisfy me.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#43505: Jan 1st 2017 at 8:57:27 PM

See, to me that sounds so tacky and boring and cliche that I'd be disappointed.

My various fanfics.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43506: Jan 1st 2017 at 8:59:10 PM

[up][up] My own theory is that the settings cosmology might end up looking a lot like that of Gnosticism, wherein Light Is Not Good is in full force and Dark Is Not Evil may also be in force, at least as far as the cosmic entities go.

[up] That particular sort of twist is done very well in Xenoblade Chronicles, to use an example that I mentally link with RWBY due to playing that game around the time volume 1 premiered.

edited 1st Jan '17 9:01:29 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#43507: Jan 1st 2017 at 9:02:43 PM

Asuras Wrath did the same thing, except unlike the god of Darkness creating the grimm, the Creator of all from Asuras Wrath created the Gohma, which are an obvious massive inspiration on the grimm and how they work, and not just to destroy everything, but as a test of power.

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DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#43508: Jan 1st 2017 at 9:03:27 PM

So do we consider every instance of shit going wrong around Qrow a result of his bad luck semblance? Like Ironwood walking in on his fight with Winter or the barmaid getting questioned by Tyrian?

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43509: Jan 1st 2017 at 9:04:43 PM

about Sun and Blake: if you feel Blake slap him is too much is because right now Sun is engaging in the typical "accidental pervert" trope by having him doing something in well meaning fashon only to screw up, and more important, he is NOT the type of chararter you want to do that, one can imagine that with Jaunce for example but him? yeah it give the wrong impresion as Ambar show it.

"it's just that talking about flaws in a work tends to generate more interesting discussion than talking about things they did right"

Maybe is the way you said, it sound you were sarcastic in a "finally the dumb story is moving!", so is case of poe, people are putitng the tone were isnt

About the creation story: is fairly typical but using shadow sound nice, granted it take whatever nunce to the grim since they are only murder machines so damn.

" If you're going to have activist gods, then I want to see them actually, you know, active"

that is of course, if Ozpin and Salem arent those gods(or their avatar) but like cap I think there are something missing about it.

But if you ask me, I think something throw the balance out which result in the moon being like that and I think Ozpin have something to do with it and he dosent tell anyone, moving the fight against the grimm without the proper context(and in short, thorwing their life in a conflict they know nothing about)

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#43510: Jan 1st 2017 at 9:05:48 PM

wild mass guessSilver eyes could be a product of the younger brother realizing that he did not exactly get rid of his monsters when he and his brother came to an agreement and made humanity. So he makes a few humans special to give humanity a chance against the monsters he made.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43511: Jan 1st 2017 at 9:13:38 PM

[up][up]I don't think he's actually done anything that's Accidental Pervert (yet). I get what they're trying to do with him, but they're failing at it, badly. Sun strikes me as the kind of guy who actually would be pretty hands on with even guy friends in this situation but people's trepidation isn't exactly hard to understand, even if I do think some people have gone too far with it.

edited 1st Jan '17 9:14:09 PM by LSBK

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#43512: Jan 1st 2017 at 9:22:07 PM

So, if the Goliaths are two hundred feet tall, how big are the Sea Dragon and Flying Dragon Gimm in comparison?

Just curious if official sizes aside from the Goliath were ever given by the creators.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43513: Jan 1st 2017 at 9:23:09 PM

I said that trope because the set up is pretty much like that: he does something in a well meaning fashon, but he screw up by is lack of tact, hell it get more blatant with Blake parents.

I think that dosent work because....well Sun is not that kind of chararter, is brand of humor is more like chibi rwby were see him being crazy awsome, him being clumsy...yeah.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43514: Jan 1st 2017 at 9:23:45 PM

They seemed really inconsistent with their size. Lie there was that line you mentioned, but then when we see them marching in the streets they seem to be about the size of normal elephants. Which is still big, but...

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43515: Jan 1st 2017 at 9:28:08 PM

Is like Steven universe: they are big when they need to be, the rest of the time it dosent matter.

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FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#43516: Jan 1st 2017 at 10:06:05 PM

Ahh damage control

The maidens are important!

Why we just saw one get taken down by team effort...

She was a newbie!!

Praise be to the absolute Queen
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43517: Jan 1st 2017 at 10:32:53 PM

[up]To be fair, is more about how amber was take with team fight but Cinder beat ozpin and Phyrra.

Anyway, Is clear a this point the silver age power is related to the moon somehow(I mean when Ruby hear the story she look a the moon, that is pretty blatant foreshowing) I think something disrupt nature and blew the moon which spread dust, maybe the light brother was hurt? so thinking ideas.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#43518: Jan 1st 2017 at 11:25:07 PM

This was a major lore dump, but I like the backstory here. I think it deals with the Problem of Evil quite well, because it can be inferred that the two gods are equal and the god of creation does not have the ability to destroy the god of creation (even if he was willing to do so) or his work - he can only create. And it kind of shows how important the other side is because if humans don't have the ability to destroy than they can't defend themselves against those that do. The start of the episode, with Qrow initially skipping the exposition that we already knew but then having each member of RNJR repeat back the main points was just really odd. Why skip it and then un-skip it? It's awkward as hell.

Blake and Blakedad's talk was really nice. I was hoping we'd get an exchange like that. Sun crashing in was such a WTF moment though, until he explained himself. Even then, they're pushing the slapstick way too hard I feel, at the expense of both characters. Sun has a reasonable reason for trying to find Blake (he must have stopped himself barging in when he realized what they were talking about) but the presentation just looks really bad and the dumb joke is not worth it. And Blake ignoring him and acting like the White Fang are not an issue is just... so dense. He's already brought up that having no intention to pursue the White Fang doesn't mean she's safe from them, and she completely ignored it and acted like what he found doesn't matter. Ugh. I didn't think she could be THIS dumb.

Hitting him over that kind of transgression is just getting old really fast.

[up][up] Hah, that's what I had thought! During volume 3 I mentioned how I just wasn't impressed with the first maiden showing we got.

edited 1st Jan '17 11:25:15 PM by Saiga

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#43519: Jan 1st 2017 at 11:44:28 PM

See, to me that sounds so tacky and boring and cliche that I'd be disappointed.
I mean, it wouldn't be a great twist, but at least it'd be a twist. I already explained what I'd actually like to see (light/creation/life and darkness/destruction/death as complimentary forces, both opposed to oblivion/void/nothingness) but I don't think that's really on the table at this point. So portraying the god of destruction and death as the good guy (death allows other life to survive, destruction allows new creation to occur, darkness provides respite from blinding light, etc) would at least be a little interesting.

As of now, they're pitching "darkness = destruction = death = evil", and "humans are special because they can choose between good and evil, whether to create or destroy" at the same time... which is dumb because the protagonists are all warriors who are dedicated to killing things in the defense of life. So either they're going to have to back off the "death/destruction/evil" thing or else address the contradiction there.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#43520: Jan 1st 2017 at 11:56:39 PM

I don't think there's any fridge logic about it. Death/destruction being good when used by beings that can also do good is not incompatible with death and destruction without measure being evil.

If humanity was the brothers' final work, then that lends itself to the death brother not being evil. They ended on a reconciliation.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#43521: Jan 2nd 2017 at 5:45:44 AM

The god of sunshine and rainbows turning out to be the bad guy while the god of darkness and destruction being the good guy would actually be enough of a twist on the formula to satisfy me.

See, to me that sounds so tacky and boring and cliche that I'd be disappointed.

Dark Is Not Evil, Light Is Not Good, Tropes Are Not Bad, and admittedly the only time I can think of off the top of my head where Light Is Not Good was applied to Gods was Onimusha Dawn Of Dreams.

I was going to say Legend Of Korra but nope, Raava was the god of light, Vaatu was the god of evil and he was pretty damned evil through and through.

I imagine it's kind of hard for the god of rainbows to be evil. Innate goodness is basically in his title. And it'd be bloody impossible to kill anyone with a rainbow.

edited 2nd Jan '17 5:49:21 AM by Soble

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#43522: Jan 2nd 2017 at 7:28:40 AM

And it'd be bloody impossible to kill anyone with a rainbow.

Depends on the person.

edited 2nd Jan '17 7:29:10 AM by Cross

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43523: Jan 2nd 2017 at 8:00:35 AM

[up][up] The entire set of examples from God Is Evil and Satan Is Good provide examples of what you're getting at.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#43524: Jan 2nd 2017 at 9:28:06 AM

And here I am just thinking about the Double Standard of Sun getting slapped thrice without any anger from the fans yet many people demanding Jacques' blood.

If you don't see the massive difference between those two examples, I'm not sure what can be done to help you. To spell it out anyway though:

Jacques is abusing Weiss in order to preserve his own reputation and power. He pretty clearly doesn't give a good goddamn about her, and is prepared to take drastic measures in order to ensure his continued control over her. He's displayed no redeeming qualities up to this point, and his behaviour is completely in line with everything we've seen him do, and everything we've been told about him.

Blake slapped Sun once for stalking her for months, and twice for eavesdropping on a private conversation between her and her father. She did it because his behaviour was unacceptable, and because it's become quite clear that calling him out on it verbally is not getting through to him. It's worth noting that this is not typical behaviour for Blake either; she had no problem with Sun until he started behaving this way, and never got physical with him or with anyone else prior to this season.

Even if you belong to the "Sun's behaviour isn't creepy" camp, there's still a clear line of delineation between Blake hitting Sun because of things he has actually done, versus Jacques trying to establish total control over his daughter's life. There's also a colossal qualitative difference between Blake hitting Sun a couple of times, and Jacques placing his daughter under house-arrest-in-all-but-name.

Jacques is an abusive dad trying to retain his ability to dominate his daughter. Blake is a victim of longterm abuse lashing out at a guy who is triggering all her issues. There's a massive difference and the two situations ultimately aren't particularly comparable.

But, seriously, is any mention of Sun or Blake's storyline going to keep coming back to this?

What else is there to talk about with their storyline right now? Sure there's other things you can talk about regarding Blake—her relationship with her parents, the White Fang infiltration of the island—but once you're talking about "Blake and Sun" that changes completely. Sun's only contributions this season have been a) following Blake around (thus pressing the buttons of a number of us in the audience) and b) providing not-particularly-funny slapstick, the latter of which has only fueled the issues with the former.

I mean, personally? I would love it if the writers stopped pulling this crap and actually gave Sun something plot relevant to do—something that didn't involve hassling Blake. Yet they seem pretty determined to not do that, which is a damn shame, because for the three prior seasons, I had no issues with his character.

edited 2nd Jan '17 9:33:44 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#43525: Jan 2nd 2017 at 9:32:35 AM

Sun's presence is one of the only things I dislike about season 4 right now, with the slow pacing being my other issue. He hasn't contributed a single enjoyable moment, just groans and wishes to hurry off stage. It's actually pretty sad because he also makes Blake's plotline worse to sit through.

edited 2nd Jan '17 9:33:32 AM by VeryMelon


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