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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43476: Jan 1st 2017 at 4:18:07 PM

of team WTCH, Watts seen the intelectual type, the one who have some sort of intelectual or good-sounding reason to betray mankind, neither him or Tyran sound sympathic.

Hazel on the other hand....

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43477: Jan 1st 2017 at 4:32:12 PM

[up] I'd say Watts and Cinder are the two most likely of Salem's subordinates to be somewhat sympathetic, because if Sacrifice is Cinder's Image Song and Watts is indeed the Haven Headmaster or a professor, both of them are Fallen Heroes.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43478: Jan 1st 2017 at 4:36:12 PM

also, Salem on Oz squad fit the mofits:

Watts look like the tin man and I feel he dosent care that much about other people lives

Tyrian is the scaredcrow who is more crazy tham dumb

that Mean Hazel is the cowardly lion, but for defeault

And of course, Cinder is Salem version of dorothy.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43479: Jan 1st 2017 at 4:38:23 PM

[up] I mean we've barely seen anything of Watts beyond him sassing Cinder, and to be fair, if she pulled the same Smug Snake attitude in their company as she did in the series proper, it wouldn't be undeserved. I think the tin man comparison makes sense, though I'd guess more in a Totalitarian Utilitarian sense than what you think.

edited 1st Jan '17 4:39:31 PM by CaptainCapsase

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43480: Jan 1st 2017 at 4:41:41 PM

I said more in team dinamic:

Tyran is clearly Salem psycho soporter, and consider he call her a goddess, maybe he consider her the god of destruction or something like that, by logic Watts since to be the "evil intelectual" of the bunch, while Hazel since the be quiet who is only focus in is mision.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43481: Jan 1st 2017 at 4:53:59 PM

[up] Considering cosmic elements appear to be creeping into the setting, she might actually be a deity or something close to it, destined to destroy the world so it can be recreated as part of some grand cosmic cycle engineered by one or both of the creator deities we just learned about. Though based on the lyrics of "Sacrifice", I'm more inclined to think Ozpin is the one serving celestial tyrants for lack of a better alternative.

edited 1st Jan '17 4:58:28 PM by CaptainCapsase

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43482: Jan 1st 2017 at 5:26:46 PM

Is hard to said, she have a outworldly apareince and is easy to see why people would call her a deity, while Ozpin look normal....maybe too normal to said the least.

at this point we are dealing with the old dumbludore/voldermort and Yoda/Sidious duality, older being who know more than anyone and used people.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43483: Jan 1st 2017 at 5:34:16 PM

I'm thinking more Lord Asriel and Miss Coulter given the encroaching cosmic elements and the possibly romantic personal relationship that once existed between them.

edited 1st Jan '17 5:37:13 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43484: Jan 1st 2017 at 5:39:13 PM

Anyway, I really like this origin of humanity. Now I'm wondering does that also include the Faunus or...

Wow, yeah, it really would set up the balance of the world to know that God(s) exists and is also creator of the thing that kills more people than anything else ever.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43485: Jan 1st 2017 at 5:42:38 PM

[up] I mean, that's also the case for IRL Abrahamic religions, hence the Problem Of Evil; this particular creation myth accounts for that by having an equal and opposing force to the creator, ala Zoroastrianism.

edited 1st Jan '17 5:43:20 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43486: Jan 1st 2017 at 5:43:54 PM

Yeah, but it's usually not so blatant as literally creating evil monsters that exist solely to kill people.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43487: Jan 1st 2017 at 5:46:00 PM

they would be the equivalent of deamons, I do think the silver age people are the god of light mesure to get rid of them, which is why they are so powerfull: Ruby pretty much spray light on them.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43488: Jan 1st 2017 at 5:48:28 PM

[up] I'm not sure Ruby's power comes from the God of Light or something associated with him, since she's seemingly got an association with the moon, which would generally be more associated with night (and thus dark) than day (and thus light).

I'm thinking the moon is a third cosmic entity of sorts, and Ruby's power comes from it. Or maybe it's even associated with the god of dark and the real events of the creation myth of remnant goals is like some versions of gnosticism where God is a Ruthless Tyrant pretending to be the creator and Satan is a Heroic Rebel. Ruby herself definitely has a dark color scheme, in fact her color scheme uses the same palette as the grimm and Salem: red, black and white/silver.

Perhaps the power is so effective against the grimm since it comes from their creator? Or if we want to go to dark places, perhaps she's an Apocalypse Maiden, destined to unleash the apocalypse, and Ozpin is manipulating matters to forestall that, as he once did with Summer, having caused her death?*

* Naturally in this scenario, our heroes find a way to Screw Destiny and make Kratos proud by beating the shit out of the Jerkass Gods that made things this way.

That being said, my first guess would be that the moon is some sort of neutral entity between light and dark with the power to upset the balance of power with its chosen. There's almost certainly a reason Salem wants Ruby alive, and that's presumably to try and talk her into a Face–Heel Turn since her power would be immensely useful to her plans.

edited 1st Jan '17 6:00:22 PM by CaptainCapsase

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#43489: Jan 1st 2017 at 5:56:05 PM

Just finished volume 1 of this series. Episodes could stand to be longer.

I like all of Team Ruby and I like 3/4 of Team Juniper. Can't say I'm especially fond of Jaune. I want to like him but he's just soooooooooooooo...I don't know. What's a polite way of saying "utterly generic in every conceivable way"?

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43490: Jan 1st 2017 at 5:56:45 PM

[up] Jaune gets better with time IMHO. You should probably avoid this thread because there's a fuckton of unmarked spoilers flying around right now.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43491: Jan 1st 2017 at 6:19:49 PM

For me, the fact the moon is broken is a sign the balance between the two brothers was broken by someone....Salem? Ozpin? both? neither? hard gto said, I think this tie with Dust which is the weapon that put mankind back in fighting term against the Grimm.

Also, Qrow said Ozpin like that story...and I think a good reason to it: it underline CHOICE as the best aspect of the story, something he underline a lot.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43492: Jan 1st 2017 at 6:27:01 PM

[up] I don't think that's incompatible with the moon being a third entity, maybe a goddess whose attentions the brothers competed for and who was accidentally slain in their never-ending battle, convincing them to put their differences aside and create humanity?

Psyga315 Since: Jan, 2001
#43493: Jan 1st 2017 at 6:40:03 PM

....

And here I am just thinking about the Double Standard of Sun getting slapped thrice without any anger from the fans yet many people demanding Jacques' blood.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43494: Jan 1st 2017 at 6:41:19 PM

[up] Considering how much foreshadowing of earth shattering revelations and Awful Truths there is in RWBY, it almost has to have a Cosmic Horror Reveal or Go Cosmic to actually live up to the hype, hence the extremely out there wild mass guesss.

edited 1st Jan '17 6:41:47 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#43495: Jan 1st 2017 at 7:06:02 PM

Therefore a big difference in power and context between those two.

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#43496: Jan 1st 2017 at 7:17:44 PM

You're a glass half empty kind of guy, aren't you?
I mean, not really? I pointed out some things that I liked in the episode as well (the Oscar and Weiss plots are starting to go interesting places, for example), it's just that talking about flaws in a work tends to generate more interesting discussion than talking about things they did right. Just saying "this was great" doesn't add much of anything to the discussion, but saying "this could have been done better" can lead to interesting observations.

Regarding the specific criticism of the fight, there are basically two ways to look at it — as narrative (what purpose does it play in the story) and as spectacle (is it awesome and fun to watch in isolation). Having a trio of combatants stand there and do nothing for the entire fight serves neither aspect. You end up asking "why didn't the rest of RNJR help? They still have guns, don't they?" on the narrative side, and on the spectacle side, having the entirety of RNJR providing fire support again Tyrian to help Crow from a distance definitely would have been more awesome than having three of them stand aside and watch while Crow and Ruby fight Tyrian. I'm not saying "it was bad because they didn't do this", I'm saying "it was alright, but it would have been better if they had done this".

As an aside, for some reason I get more comments directed toward me (and my opinions and preferences) as opposed to my comments in this one thread than I do in basically the rest of the forums combined. To wit, maybe I am a glass half full guy. What of it? It doesn't make my point any less valid. And more importantly, "wow, you're sort of a downer" doesn't add anything to the discussion on RWBY.

Anyway, on to the new episode.

I liked the way they handled Crow filling RNJR in about what's going on. Rather than just taking it at face value and jump up ready to go save the world, they ask skeptical questions and find themselves wondering what it all means and how to move forward from here. They managed to walk the line of having different reactions but all of them being reasonable. Jaune is pissed at being manipulated by having parts of the truth kept from them, Ruby is willing to forgive almost anything because she trusts Crow implicitly, and Ren and Nora are largely reserving judgment. I do hope that they rethink the secrecy thing instead of just being all "nah that's how Ozpin did it and he can do no wrong", though.

The creation myth was pretty uninspired. I'm probably spoiled by Mistborn doing basically the exact same thing except better. The "and then after creating humanity, the gods fucked off and left forever" thing is sort of lame, too. If you're going to have activist gods, then I want to see them actually, you know, active. But I also dislike the "light/creation/good" and "darkness/destruction/evil" thing played straight to begin with. They're complimentary forces, not opposing ones. Life can't survive without destroying other life, and you can't destroy stuff if nothing was ever created. The opposite of life/light/creation is void/oblivion/nothingness, not death/darkness/destruction.

Blake's conversation with her dad was pretty well done. Blake's still dealing with stuff from before the fall of Beacon, she hasn't even gotten to the more recent stuff yet. A bit disappointed that she failed to tell him that Adam swore to destroy everything she loved, though — that seems like something she should have mentioned. Sun is still an ass, and that's all I'm going to say about it for fear of rekindling that firestorm. I wonder what the deal with White Fang ninja spy is supposed to be. What the hell do they gain from spying on Blake? It's not like she knows anything they would be hoping to find out.

Crow's semblance being a generalized bad luck field is a surprisingly good excuse for his loner tendencies, and also explains why he wanted RNJR to stay out of the fight with Tyrian, above and beyond the "you'll only hold me back" thing (which was still true regardless). I'm not digging the "Crow is poisoned" subplot that's shaping up, though. It's going to be either a meaningless waste of time in an already long-winded plot, where team RNJR puts everything else on the back-burner while they rush to save Crow, or else it's going to kill Crow (possibly indirectly, like if Tyrian shows back up and Crow sacrifices himself to delay him while RNJR escapes) which is lame.

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#43497: Jan 1st 2017 at 7:32:37 PM

Sun and Blake are Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male at its finest. I think Sun got annoying in this one since pushed the jokester stuff too far, but Blake outright hitting him isn't cool with me. The only thing that ticks me off is that I feel if it was the other way around, would be reading all kinds of posts about Sun abuse.

edited 1st Jan '17 7:33:55 PM by Prime_of_Perfection

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43498: Jan 1st 2017 at 7:38:11 PM

[up][up] I strongly suspect we aren't getting the whole story of the world's origin from Qrow's telling of events, because he clearly doesn't know the whole story about Salem or Ozpin; what we got is far too vague and does't really explain a whole lot, plus it's already more or less established that Ozpin keeps even his own confidants in the dark about quite a lot of things.

I also suspect that Ozpin's reasons for wanting to keep everyone in the dark will turn out to be less than altruistic rather than the typical Omniscient Morality License bullcrap, and will at least be partially motivated by some combination of shame about past mistakes and paranoia that his subordinates would turn on him if they knew truth. Considering it's very possible that was actually the case for Cinder and possibly Watts if a particular wild mass guess (that he's Haven's headmaster or at least a prominent professor) I've seen is true, that might be Properly Paranoid of him, but that also begs the question of what exactly he's hiding that would make people think throwing their lot in with someone who intends to devastate if not outright destroy the world is a good idea?

edited 1st Jan '17 7:51:10 PM by CaptainCapsase

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#43499: Jan 1st 2017 at 7:54:53 PM

[up][up] I think after multiple episodes of Sun stalking her, constantly injecting himself into her life when she's made it clear how little she appreciates it, and deciding to spy on a private chat with her and her father? No, I don't feel bad he finally got slapped for it. He's become an utter creep and trying to make Blake 'abusive' for finally snapping a bit isn't really fair to her.

As for the cosmology here...well, remains to be sen how Ozpin is connected to the gods. I think it's a safe bet he is. As for Qrow...hoping he avoids Mentor Occupational Hazard here...this's far from an ideal situation.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43500: Jan 1st 2017 at 7:56:06 PM

[up][up][up]Eh, I don't like it, but it's hardly the worst ever. It's nothing like in The King Of Queens, where Carrie frequently punched Doug in the stomach, and on one occasion actually beat him. All played for laughs, of course.

Edit: But, seriously, is any mention of Sun or Blake's storyline going to keep coming back to this?

edited 1st Jan '17 7:57:49 PM by LSBK


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