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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43426: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:56:25 PM

[up]all acording with the keikaku.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#43427: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:58:30 PM

Look plans are complicated. You ever tried to make a plan? It's not easy.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43428: Jan 1st 2017 at 2:02:24 PM

I'd be inclined to think Ozpin dying isn't a Thanatos Gambit but a result of him being Out-Gambitted. That said, I do think he had a backup plan which is now going into effect.

edited 1st Jan '17 2:04:02 PM by CaptainCapsase

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43429: Jan 1st 2017 at 2:08:45 PM

[up][up]unless your name is tzeetch....but that is another thing enterely.

[up]there is a thing: did Ozpin just jump is body before dying? or is the hability to retain memories a thing here?

Also those mean Cinder have amber memories? or they all die with her?

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43430: Jan 1st 2017 at 2:12:08 PM

[up] It's quite possible Cinder has Amber's memories, which would be what she's struggling against in that scene where Salem tells her that she "need[s] to make it dread [her]."

edited 1st Jan '17 2:12:28 PM by CaptainCapsase

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43431: Jan 1st 2017 at 2:17:05 PM

I get the feeling Amber memory is dead when she was killed by Cinder, otherwise the maidem would just overtake the host.

Which make me thing Ozpin really let himself get killed, maybe hoping Qrow,Glynda and Ironwood defend the tower

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43432: Jan 1st 2017 at 2:19:07 PM

[up] That may be what Salem's "special treatment" of Cinder is meant to prevent or at least forestall; less loyal personas taking over the mind of her subordinate. If that happened and the dominant personality ended up being that of Pyrrha, that's the only plausible sounding way she could come back with our current understanding of the setting.

edited 1st Jan '17 2:20:54 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#43433: Jan 1st 2017 at 2:22:01 PM

So how do we think the Oscar/Ozpin thing and potential Cinder/Amber thing works? Do the personalities eventually merge, does the old one just fade away, or do they stick around avatar style?

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43434: Jan 1st 2017 at 2:25:17 PM

[up] Considering Ozpin was apologizing to Pyrrha immediately after he initiated the transfer (implying he knew something horrible was going to happen), I'd be inclined to think the original personality ends up being absorbed into the overall collective Mind Hive, which someone with sufficient force of personality may or may not be able to forestall indefinitely.

edited 1st Jan '17 2:25:42 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43435: Jan 1st 2017 at 2:43:59 PM

Continuing my line of thought wherein I insist Capsasse is being overly dark; I waget it's very hard to adjust but eventually the previous in carnation fades into the depths of the new ones conviousness.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43436: Jan 1st 2017 at 2:46:25 PM

[up] That doesn't really explain why Ozpin was being so apologetic towards Pyrrha; he knew something horrible was going to happen, and the obvious reason why is because he himself is a walking example of the consequence of having multiple souls in one body. Plus I think Blake's choice of reading early on in volume 1 (The Strange Case Of Doctor Jekyll And Mr Hyde) will turn out to be a Chekhov's Gun much like Ozpin's reference to silver eyes and any number of small details from early episodes.

edited 1st Jan '17 2:49:39 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#43437: Jan 1st 2017 at 2:47:57 PM

I mean, having another independent entity inside your mind cannot really be understood until it happens. It's probably not great.

Also the transfer probably hurts a lot.

"Evii is right though" -Saturn "I didn't know you were a bitch Evii." -Lior Val
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43438: Jan 1st 2017 at 2:58:02 PM

[up][up]Not necessarily. You can subject someone to something dangerous and painful and be sorry about it, even if you know they can make it through it. More to point, it was still the best option present there.

Whatever is going on here, I don't think there's anything imply complete loss of individuality like you seem to have latched onto.

edited 1st Jan '17 2:59:16 PM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43439: Jan 1st 2017 at 2:59:19 PM

[up][up] Possibly, but I'm skeptical that's all there is, especially given the show has heavily telegraphed Ozpin having some rather unpleasant secrets and a dark past, to put things mildly.

[up] As I said, it's certainly conceivable, but due to the Law of Conservation of Detail, I'm inclined to think a line at such a critical moment in a Wham Episode is very likely to be Foreshadowing.

edited 1st Jan '17 3:01:14 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43440: Jan 1st 2017 at 3:01:12 PM

[up]Are we really going to go through the "Ozpin is really just as bad a Salem/no he's not" discussion again? No one has denied that Ozpin has some skeletons in his closet, you just seem to want to take it places no one else seem to view the show, being what it is, would actually go towards. Well, maybe I shouldn't say no one, but I don't.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43441: Jan 1st 2017 at 3:03:20 PM

[up] I'm hardly the only person who is suspicious of Ozpin. I don't necessarily think he's as bad as Salem, but I do think it's very likely he does some very, very unpleasant things in the name of the greater good that blur the line between Necessary Evil and Kick the Dog; less Dumbledore and more Lord Asriel in terms of shadiness.

edited 1st Jan '17 3:05:31 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43442: Jan 1st 2017 at 3:05:30 PM

[up]...So that's a yes then. But, I don't really feel up to it right now.

I'm just saying, cautious suspicion is one thing, buying into Salem's perspective in "Divide" is another. You seem to fall more to the latter than the former.

edited 1st Jan '17 3:08:24 PM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43443: Jan 1st 2017 at 3:08:46 PM

[up] Less Kick the Dog and more "I don't know what trope to use" to describe needless callous actions done in the name of a noble cause as opposed to a genuinely Necessary Evil. As far as whether that makes him as bad as Salem...I'm inclined to think that Salem will turn out to be evil but pitiable (in a Cry for the Devil sense), while Ozpin will be good but contemptible (in The Extremist Was Right sense)

I don't think that equates them, and I also think it's looking increasingly likely that neither Ozpin nor Salem are actually the true leaders in what appears to be a cosmic conflict; one or both could very well be a servant of a God, Eldritch Abomination, or some other sort of cosmic entity.

edited 1st Jan '17 3:15:33 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43444: Jan 1st 2017 at 3:13:25 PM

[up]See now, shady is one thing, "needless callousness" is another, I'm not seeing the basis for that in past (present?).

edited 1st Jan '17 3:14:49 PM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43445: Jan 1st 2017 at 3:15:18 PM

[up] Ozpin remarking that he's made more mistakes than anyone who has ever lived comes to mind, and the fact that he's obviously holding a lot back from even his trusted inner circle with no apparent reason makes me think it's guilt and/or the belief they'd turn on him if he told them the truth.

edited 1st Jan '17 3:17:01 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43446: Jan 1st 2017 at 3:18:01 PM

How do either of those support "needless callousness in the name of a good cause", though? Again, that just seems like you running with the worst, possible interpretation.

And "no apparent reason" is a pretty big assumption on your part. It seemed like Qrow was tailing Ruby and Co. instead of just joining them for "no apparent reason" and look how that turned out.

edited 1st Jan '17 3:19:37 PM by LSBK

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43447: Jan 1st 2017 at 3:18:18 PM

Is hard to said on what point Ozpin personality will be there, or how much Oscar would be consume

About Amber/Cinder: I think it also have to be with the special Bug grimm C Inder used to take her power and is a way to consume the soul.

Now that I think about it, is quite a Shame Phyrra die, since having her strugle with the efect of the maiden power would be great.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43448: Jan 1st 2017 at 3:19:57 PM

[up][up] The first one does, if he only realized after everything was said and done that some/many of the things he's done have been excessive and/or driven by paranoia rather than genuine necessity.

As far as the lack of apparent reason for Ozpin's secretive nature, yes there's obviously a reason for it barring some hideously bad writing, but I'm doubtful that the reason will reflect well on him considering the indignation expressed towards what I'm assuming is him in many of the songs, and not just the ones on the villains' side.

edited 1st Jan '17 3:22:21 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43449: Jan 1st 2017 at 3:22:10 PM

[up]It's not an implication if it's built on another assumption that could easily turn out to be false. We're just going around in circles at the moment.

No matter how this goes, everything just ends up being the worst possible interpretation with you.

edited 1st Jan '17 3:23:28 PM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43450: Jan 1st 2017 at 3:24:08 PM

[up] It's hardly guaranteed, but I can't really come up with a reason for Ozpin keeping a ton of stuff from his close confidants that doesn't feel contrived and would reflect well on him. So, giving the writers the benefit of the doubt, I conclude that Ozpin is likely hiding some unpleasant truths that would reflect poorly on him, and make his confidants doubt him even more than keeping them in the dark does.

edited 1st Jan '17 3:25:06 PM by CaptainCapsase


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