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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43401: Jan 1st 2017 at 12:49:52 PM

Eh, I'm not even sold on Ozpin's direct connection to the Maidens, let alone these gods who created everything. He definitely knows a lot more about them than most people, but that's not the same thing. I still have a feeling the same is true for Salem.

I mean, we just found out that Salem isn't (at least originally) the creator of the Grimm.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43402: Jan 1st 2017 at 12:51:27 PM

[up] I don't think they're incarnations of the creator gods, but I do think they may very well be connected to/agents of them. As far as the grimm go, I'm not sure the story we got from Qrow is the whole truth about the grimm's origins, though I do agree that Salem probably didn't create them.

edited 1st Jan '17 12:54:56 PM by CaptainCapsase

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43403: Jan 1st 2017 at 12:52:46 PM

[up]that if coruse, or maybe Ozpin and Salem are the brothers of the story...or chosen by those two gods.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43404: Jan 1st 2017 at 12:54:16 PM

[up] I think it's quite likely that one or both of them are agents of cosmic forces.

That being said, the big question remains: will the gods remain a distant part of the setting's fluff, or will they come into the foreground in a Cosmic Horror Reveal / Going Cosmic arc? It's kind of obvious which of the possibilities I prefer; I have a soft spot for cosmic narratives of both flavors, especially when the truth comes out in a massive revelation that recontextualizes the entire narrative.

edited 1st Jan '17 1:00:10 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43405: Jan 1st 2017 at 12:57:52 PM

Qrrow's story is too vague to be the entire deal, I agree.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43406: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:01:54 PM

Again, we have to remenber that the maiden plot wasnt thought until volume 3 so they have to conect it with existent lore and if you ask me they are the guardian of the relics

Also, if the light brother have a moon mofit....and the moon is broken....

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43407: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:02:05 PM

[up][up] But yeah, I think Ozpin and the maidens are connected because it's very likely he's the wizard, and since they were connected in the myth, that's probably at least partially true in regards to reality.

[up] I think the dark brother has a moon motif, if the moon isn't some third party (maybe a goddess whose attentions they competed for), and the light brother obviously has a sun motif. Which I think may be connected to the moon and sun motifs given to another pair of siblings: Ruby and Yang. Who incidentally share the same age order as the creators.

edited 1st Jan '17 1:04:00 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43408: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:03:50 PM

I doubt Ozpin is the Wizard from the story just because of the way his advanced age was implied. That, and other things.

edited 1st Jan '17 1:05:06 PM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43409: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:04:35 PM

[up] Not the Ozpin we knew, but I think his original incarnation was the wizard, considering the Reincarnation and/or Body Surf thing going on. Depending on whether past lives can take over a person's mind in this setting, (which may be what Cinder is struggling with given the Maidens also seem to inherit the soul of their predecessors) Ozpin might not even have been the original name of the headmaster of beacon.

edited 1st Jan '17 1:07:59 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43410: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:06:26 PM

The implication I took from the story is that the old man gave up all of his power to the Maidens because he deemed them more worthy of having it than himself. I've actually always been kind of interested in why people talk as if he has power independent of that.

Well, Semblance I guess.

edited 1st Jan '17 1:06:53 PM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43411: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:07:32 PM

[up] And, whatever Ozpin is, he's clearly weaker than a maiden, since Cinder killed him. He didn't necessarily give up ALL of his power, just most of it.

On a tangent, if Pyrrha ends up coming back in any form, I'm calling that it'll be as a past life takeover/personality merge with Cinder due to the small amount of Amber's power she received causing her soul to be absorbed into the fall maiden gesalt after death. Which would be very, very awkward for Jaune, though it would provide an actual basis for a Heel–Face Turn that wouldn't feel cheap.

edited 1st Jan '17 1:10:39 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43412: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:19:18 PM

Now that we know for a fact that the bird transformation isn't their Semblance, how do you think Qrow and Raven do that?

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#43414: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:20:51 PM

I still wonder if Cinder actually killed Ozpin, or he didn't just purposefully throw his life away to continue his plan.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43415: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:21:23 PM

[up][up][up] I have no idea; another mysterious hereditary power associated with their tribe maybe, though that sounds a bit lame unless it eventually ties together with the other mysterious hereditary powers we've seen.

[up] I do not think everything is going just as keikaku for Ozpin, though I wouldn't rule it out entirely. Okay, he might have, since Salem expressed what may have been skepticism that Cinder actually killed him. "What is he planning?" Seems to be more about the absence of the divine relic that was supposed to be hidden there.

edited 1st Jan '17 1:25:54 PM by CaptainCapsase

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43416: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:21:54 PM

[up]I do think is related with their semblence, just like schnee family have rune that can bring those ice soldier, also it show that both Raven and Qrow have the same power/semblence.

Also, it is posible that Qrow was waiting is semblence to kick in so winter would be humiliated? this give a new look into that fight.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43417: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:23:26 PM

[up] I don't know if semblances work like that though; thus far they've all been pretty one note aside from the Schnee glyphs, and "turning into a bird" and "causing bad things to happen to people near you" don't seem even remotely related.

edited 1st Jan '17 1:24:16 PM by CaptainCapsase

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43418: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:27:15 PM

so far, the show have break is rule once in a while, first the semblence was unique, them some family have it(which mean Whitley have it or could have, same with Weiss mon) which lend to my theory the branwen have it(which mean that yes, they are RWBY uchihas) now sure, turning into birds and having bad luck look weird...but so far is just strange that they have another form of magic that nobody else know.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#43419: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:28:27 PM

It is strange, but perhaps what the Schnees and the Branwens do isn't a semblance at all, people just think it is, when in actuality it's something different?

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#43420: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:30:06 PM

We sure Winter was the first time heredity being tied to Semblance came up, because I could have swore it was mentioned somewhere earlier.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43421: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:30:33 PM

[up][up][up]Rules can have exceptions, and it was mentioned that the Schnees were unique. That doesn't rule out other people having hereditary Semblances, but that doesn't mean we should assume any weird power people share is a hereditary Semblance.

Qrow and Raven being able to actually turn into a crow and raven (which is mostly an arbitrary distinction based on size) has never been treated as "just our Semblance" it's something shrouded in mystery, and the mystery doesn't make sense if it really is "just our Semblance".

[up]She is. Her exact words were: "We Schnees are unique; unlike many, our Semblance is hereditary..."

edited 1st Jan '17 1:31:41 PM by LSBK

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#43422: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:44:21 PM

Yeah, I'm skeptical of the outcome of Cinder vs Ozpin taking into account how he was kinda pummelling her then she supposedly came out smelling like roses.

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#43423: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:45:15 PM

The Branwens could be very similar.

Although this would have to exclude Yang.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43424: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:49:09 PM

Yang's Semblance does seem like it's "on" all the time too, actually.

On Cinder vs. Ozpin, he seemed pretty adamant about how the tower could not fall and I'm not sure if he'd be willing to gable that the others would be able to get their entire before Cinder did it to just let himself die.

But at the same time, her actually overpowering him, at least that quickly, does seem pretty weird.

edited 1st Jan '17 1:49:33 PM by LSBK

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#43425: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:52:58 PM

I still wonder if Cinder actually killed Ozpin, or he didn't just purposefully throw his life away to continue his plan.

Implying his plan incorporated abandoning hundreds of students to be eaten alive by Grimm or sliced open by rebel scum the White Fang. Leaving his most trusted confidantes unaware of his whereabouts and generally leaving a massive trail of death and paranoia in his absence. And then forcing his consciousness into the body of a young boygirlother and persuading him to accept the idea that he can hear voices in his head.

Damned Ozluminati and their convoluted schemes.

edited 1st Jan '17 3:46:24 PM by Soble

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