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That's not really a meaningful name so much as a flashing neon sign, and I don't see why that reasoning for Winter doesn't apply for Summer.
But I also don't get why people assume she's "missing". I've always taken Yang's "and then she didn't come back" as an obvious euphemism for death. Have they actually confirmed that was supposed to be literal.
Anyway, they've already established the important thing with Summer having silver powers and likely being killed by Salem's people. And there was no mention of "and that one was also one of the Maidens".
edited 13th Dec '16 9:07:34 PM by LSBK
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And that's still shitty reasoning. Yeah, there's nothing saying someone can't be both, but literally going "She's named Summer so she's probably the Summer Maiden" doesn't even work on a doylist perspective here. Writers usually aren't so blatant about things like that.
And I don't think that's what Salem was actually implying.
Doh.
edited 13th Dec '16 9:11:12 PM by LSBK
An unconfirmed , but not the entire point. She died mysteriously, she has an eerie white cloak, and the first real mention of her other than in passing was in the same volume where the maiden concept was introduced. And coincidentally her name is Summer, similar to how the Fall Maiden was named Amber, and her replacement, and her eventual successor, were Pyrrha (bronze colors, red hair) and Cinder Fall (a mix of red and yellow, and come on, the name).
I mean the name could be too on the nose and having "Summer" become the "Summer Maiden" might be too obvious, so the writers wouldn't do it. But then the name choice is quite the coincidence. "Maidens get introduced as representing the seasons - oh hey Cinder Fall, Summer Rose, Winter Schnee."
Though I suppose by that same token Winter has to be the Winter Maiden. And that would be deplorable.
...kind of. Nothing's come of it yet. Real disappointing given Season 2's intro showed them fighting. I mean they're obviously supposed to be but it feels like it'll be awhile before we see them fight again.
edited 13th Dec '16 9:16:42 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!So even though the thread jumped like 10 posts while I was writing I still ended up replying to the same person. Weird.
As for wether or not Summer is dead, Monty said on twitter that she was dead and that she has a tombstone indicates that nobody is holding out hope she'll return one day. The way Yang talked about her sounds ripe for a Never Found the Body situation (and Monty's tweet can be explained by him not wanting to give away plot twists). Since there's nothing stated in story beyond she never came home the writers have a lot of room with how they deal with her if that ever comes up.
Honestly though, making one of the two a Maiden would at least serve to Red Herring the other not being one...and I do think making Winter the one would certainly be considered the least fun option for viewers since it's neon-sign obvious, and at least Summer being one has no more bearing on the story anymore. I would be not fond of doing either regardless and also truly hope they won't be that blatant even once.
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Unfortunately true about Yang. This is pretty much all of their interactions so far.
edited 13th Dec '16 9:21:50 PM by VutherA
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I wonder if Salem's band hails from each kingdom. Watts is from Atlas.
Watts being a "doctor" more than likely heard of the legend and used his skills to find those with the silver eyes. We think doctor=medicine. But there are all kinds of fields that award doctorates. I think he's a scientist who researched Remnant folklore. Hence he knows all about the silver Eye Beams.
If Salem and her band of Shadows did kill Summer Rose, I suspect that's what broke her team. Taiyang had to raise Ruby and Yang alone, Qwro lost a friend and teammate and seeing what she was up against broke Raven. It's one thing to hunt Grimm, another to face something that would make the Avengers call in sick.
edited 13th Dec '16 9:25:36 PM by TairaMai
I tried to walk like an Egyptian and now I need to see a Cairo practor....
(4) >_> One of these days a RWBY writer is going to post, "Yeah Blake and Yang were giving each other onceovers. Bumblebee is official!" And we're all going to look at that post like whaaaa, and then they're going to come on the next day, apologize, and say they were just being cartoony.
And it'll turn out they were doing shots that night or something so a lot of crazy tweets went out that night.
RWBY doesn't really need to use a euphemism given that we know Summer has a tombstone, Tukson's dead, Penny and Pyrrha were killed on-screen, and violence isn't censored that often. I'm still not sure if Yang's yellow blood was an intentional choice or if it's actually supposed to mean something.
Really I just go with Never Found the Body. Yang could've said "she died, she passed away, we buried her." She chose to say "she didn't come back" or something to that effect. Conservation of Detail. The audience is old enough to grasp that huntresses die on missions so why the euphemism. I don't really believe Yang was just that sad about it.
Also it's just plain interesting Yang said "she didn't come back" but they still made a grave for her on a hill. Not even on a hill, on a cliff. Unless the Rose-Xiao Long residence is on that cliff, or the cliff is actually Taiyang and Summer's secret love pad where they both promised to bury each other, why leave a grave marker on a cliff instead of burying her in a cemetery, or a family burial plot, or someplace closer to home?
Why bury a loved one on a cliff at all? This could imply she wasn't found or killed, she just never came back from a mission and was assumed dead, or disappeared into a ravine and no one ever found her or something.
Admittedly this could just mean there wasn't enough left of her to bury.
edited 13th Dec '16 9:34:08 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
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<Humormode>No one tell Rantasmo about RWBY..... </Humormode>
edited 13th Dec '16 9:29:40 PM by TairaMai
I tried to walk like an Egyptian and now I need to see a Cairo practor....I mean, sometimes people just use euphemisms. "Passed away" is a euphemism, that's probably as common as flat out saying a person died.
I mean, I get what you mean from a story point of view, but it's also clear that in story everyone thinks she's dead, so if that's supposed to be a cue to the audience it's a weird one. Especially in light of other things.
edited 13th Dec '16 9:29:21 PM by LSBK
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A sudden reveal that a dead relative is really He's Just Hiding needs to make sense, it needs to have been foreshadowed.
Otherwise it's just hack writing. Ozpin may be hiding or he may have an AI
doing his work, but at least hints were dropped.
Summer walking around and saying "Hi Ruby I was just hiding and well...I'm really alive and stuff"... no I don't think the writers would do that.
edited 13th Dec '16 9:32:11 PM by TairaMai
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Thing about that is, I don't believe that can be pulled off well here.
Any attempt would probably be some convoluted mess and probably would leave viewers (or me, at least) wishing they had just let her really be dead.
See Obito Uchiha for a great example of this.
Edit: And we seem to be on the same page on this.
edited 13th Dec '16 9:33:38 PM by LSBK
Well, it's just a theory... a GAME theory.
But I'm on team "Summer is alive!" for the foreseeable future. Having her actually being Killed Off for Real would surprise me in a manner I can't really predict. On one hand, Ruby doesn't make the jaw-dropping discovery that her mom was alive and leading The Resistance the whole time. On the other hand, Missing Mom heir to a clan of BAMF's doesn't get to do anything except appear in some flashbacks.
(2) Cliffs can be romantic. I don't know how romantic in a world infested with giant birds that simply want to kill and eat humans, but it looked romantic in Volume 3. And yes Ruby would be mortified. I'd hope they were at least polite enough to lay down blankets.
edited 13th Dec '16 9:47:34 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!I'd assume it's his beard.
(3)
Qrow: Tch, Yang, you think I'm the family pervert, you should've listened to your mom. Had to cover you and your sister's ears every time she walked into a room! Don't even get me started on all those times I took you and Ruby out to spar on weekends. What? You thought that was combat practice? Ah-ha. That was Summer threatening to make me pay rent f I didn't get you two out of the house! She made me bring back all this weird stuff too: hand lotion, sewing needles, oven mitts. I don't even know what those last two things were for.
edited 13th Dec '16 10:25:41 PM by Soble
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Redacted. I have literally the worst reading comprehension.
edited 13th Dec '16 9:04:11 PM by Karxrida